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whatever they call it, the iTV will be ace. the techy bit of that is making "802.11n" official i guess. (faster wifi).

i have never believed the apple phone bollox. i don't mind being wrong about this. i always thought they should be pushing skype (owned by google now right, and apple hearts google?).

my fave prediction is the thin mac book. it seems on the border of being possible.

zirconium? molybdenum or nothing.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe eBay owns Skype.

― treefell (treefell), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye. eBay owns Skype.

I could see the 10.5 version of iChat including a SIP-capable VOIP client. Something like what the Gizmo Project offers.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway, get ready to play 2007 Keynote Bingo
http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits.ars/2007/1/7/6514

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

There is absolutely no point apple doing a standard phone+camera+music player device, they have to do something unique or they won't be able to create the sort of high margin premium product that they are used to.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, but there were hard disc mp3 players available before the iPod, but they did it properly (in theory I can play 2GB of mp3s on my phone, but it's a pain in the arse).

I would buy an iPod with a decent phone interface added.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:12 (seventeen years ago) link

There were but the iPod added style, a decent interface and a decent way of loading up playlists and songs.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

That's what I'm saying.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Lots of phones do it properly and well though.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i will settle for nothing less than a teleportation device.

or maybe a transmogrifier. a transmogrifier would be cool. especially if it goes "boink".

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Which phone does it properly?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Sony Erricson walkman phones seem to (according to my colleague)

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

(I meant playing music, but I guess generally too. I'm reasonably happy with my Sony Ericsson, but only because I have low expectations of phone interfaces. The old Nokias used to be pretty ergonomic, but no phone works as well as I could imagine a great piece of Apple design working)

xpost!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

oops!

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Problem is, if Apple are going to do a phone, it will be something very simple rather than an all-in-one wonder device. Apple's whole schtick is knowing when to cut features out, rather than put them in.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

http://blogosfere1.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/iphone_retro.jpg

― g00blar (gooblar), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Not always, they also do a good line in making the complex simple.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Arguably by rejecting things that aren't critical to the core functionality of a device, though.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Applies to the iPod but not to Mac OS X.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm. but surely X as it appears to most users is rejecting the complexity of the underlying OS; i mean, my dad would run a million miles from anything that proclaimed to be unix (or linux) but loves X.

and of course the functionality is all there if you want it - you just have to dig a little deeper.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a difference between simplification by removing features and abstraction of features in the name of simplicity.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

lol @ "otomatic"

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

OS X != a device. If we are talking about the computers themselves, Apple are always removing bits that they deem to be legacy (e.g. floppy drive).

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

e.g. MODEM which is driving the lovely Emma B around the bend right now since broadband provisioning in most temporal earthly dimensions is not instantaneous upon receiving keys to new flat!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

where do you live, hillmarton?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i live on what you call earth

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

this will sound smug but fuck it: u can get broadband hizooked up so it's running when u move in.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

week and a half to activate the line (??) + 48 hours until broadband company can "see" it + one week for them process order and activate ADSL at MINIMUM

so, you see, when you sign your lease 1 week before moving in, u cannot get broadband hizzucked, so get fizznucked, enruk, k?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

granted, expecting a built-in modem would have been considered ridiculous even as late as 1998 but it's easy to get used to things

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

usb modem then sell it on ebay

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

when you sign your lease 1 week before moving in

ah seen

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, it makes no sense to build something into a computer that the average user will use for a maximum total of like, two or three months; but simiarly, it makes no sense to buy a separate add-on that you will use for a maximum total of like, two or three months, so alang your suggestion is the only sensible one. although i have never sold anything on eBay and have no plans to.

from way upthread:

the other metadata you mention is not exclusive to itunes. any mp3 player can access it. and you can make smart folders that can access that stuff, too (genre, etc). no need for itunes.

Well, aye, but I didn't think you were talking about other MP3 players -- you were suggesting using the Finder to do it, which can't access any of this.

actually it can - smart folders can access even more metadata than iTunes can.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

So I guess I know what we're all doing 9 am PST...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Listening to the start of Danny Baker on Radio London?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Or the end, rather. I keep forgetting where the Pacific Ocean is.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

actually it can - smart folders can access even more metadata than iTunes can.
They can't get to useful stuff like play count or skip count though.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish they'd stream the keynotes in real time though. It's shit watching macosrumors or whoever trickle in with updates.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

having thought it unllikely for ages i'm suddenly persuaded to go on the new UI look (to go with the res-independence) - which might tie in with some new hardware "look" too.

this change of mind brought to you by daringfireball

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The Register has their usual editorializing on how the Apple Phone idea is stupid because phone companies won't play ball:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/23/iphone_will_fail/

I suppose this is just like how the record companies and television networks and movie studios wouldn't play ball either. Poor Apple.

― TOMB07 (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

ok i'm buzzing on an overdose of lemsip i just took. an ipod with a camera, mic and speaker in it, a cut down iChat AV frontend on board and wifi to yr mac so you can video chat away from your base mac.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I bet Apple would make a really good Lemsip.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

iSip

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I think they're actually moving away from the i prefix on everything. The iMac is the only one of their computers that has it since the demised of the iBook; they can't call a phone the iPhone cause it's someone else's trademark; and well, it's just getting a bit old.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

The only convincing argument I've heard against the phone is that they don't own any patents, and all the big phone companies do. There are around 25 you need to make a phone, and they all cross-licence to one another. But to apple? hm. Costly, too.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Lem Sip Pro

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish there was a video stream, so we could see the fanboys go crazy over "15 new templates in Keynote!"

I think I used http://www.macrumorslive.com/ last time for live updates.

― schwantz (schwantz), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

schwantz, that post is some kind of weird masterpiece of inverted self-loathing voyeurism.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish there was a video stream so we could watch the uncomfortable silences when nothing cool comes out/the dull Microsoft woman is droning on.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I know. I buy the shit, but I don't *buy into* it. maaaan.

― schwantz (schwantz), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

8:59 am Attendees are being let into the hall

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

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