i mean isn't that what moms DO?
― get killed walkin your DOGGIE (get bent), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
The only good one is the pork chops cooked in the dish with the rice, so all the pork fat soaks into the rice and makes it tasty. Cream of chicken with celery and peas and with French onions on top: ew. Camper stew aka goulash: ew because frozen green beans? should not be there. I can't think of any others.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
holy shit some of u are retardo
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
NB: in parts of the Midwest, casseroles are referred to as "hot dish"
― dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Welcome to ILX, is this your first time here?
xpost
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
casseroles are some dope shit imo
― mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Kentucky is the South, by the way.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
like how on earth could you exclude the dakotas from the "midwest"?? SoDak, in particular, is, like Iowa, a prototypically midwestern state to me.
seems like the european guy is most otm:
and the great plains and great lakes regions as somehow 2 constituent parts of the midwest (and western rustbelt as maybe a 3rd subpart of it). But somehow I think of the western parts of the dakotas and kansas and I guess Nebraska as sorta different again but can't articulate why. Western Pennsylvania I can't decide about― äüßerst delikate angelegenheit, Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:52 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― äüßerst delikate angelegenheit, Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:52 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
MY MIDWEST:Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan
― M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I've never been to a Dakota, gbx. I think of them as having mountains, but then I guess they're pretty big so probably the eastern side is hardly in the same state as the western side.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
i grew up on the east coast so the western plains states feel like foreign countries to me still.
― get killed walkin your DOGGIE (get bent), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
casseroles: terrible, awful, gay, midwestern, foodND & SD: midwest
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
afaik the dakotas are totally mountain free (except for the black hills?)
― dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
but i always forget that the dakotas are not as far west as i think they are.
― get killed walkin your DOGGIE (get bent), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I've never been to a Dakota, gbx. I think of them as having mountains
hoo boy xpost
― Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
i've only been to michigan once, and all the cool parts are at least as far as colorado!
nodak: no mountainssodak: black hills along the western edge, otherwise just farmin' that looks exactly like southern minnesota and parts of iowa
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:39 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
OTM
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah the western half of S Dakota (which I'd describe as hilly rather than mountainous, though you do get up to, what, near 7000ft elevation?) seems too frontiersy to be part of the Midwest. A place like Deadwood is the antithesis of Midwesternness, even back then.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Interestingly, I think I agree most with the two other people on this thread who are native Illinoisans:
ohioindianamichiganwisconsinillinoisminnesotaiowamissouri
― access flap (omar little), Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
(I'm not sure I'd include Missouri myself, but it's the first state I add if I expanded my list.)
the only midwest states are the states with big ten schools. shit, except for pennsylvania.
― t0dd swiss, Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
(Had this exact same thought.)
― M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/04/electoral-history-charts.html
MIDWEST =
"rust belt"IN, MI, OH, PA
"north central"IL, IA, MN, WI
"prairie"KS, NE, ND, SD
yeah PA doesn't really fit in the midwest, but it's def rust belt and the rest of the rust belt is midwest so
― cialis morissette (goole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
(xpost: That is, the two other native Illinoisans before Granny Dainger posted.)
― M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Missouri is 100% midwest, no contest
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
the rust belt isn't all in the midwest. western NY is in the rust belt, too.
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
ok srsly laurel no offense but thinking that the dakotas have mountains is totally blowing my mind! i mean, i've driven all the way across sodak maybe a dozen times (at least), and it is, in my brain, basically shorthand for "the flat expanse of the middle western states"
but i guess some of you just think "plains states"??
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
many xposts
jaymc otm + would also accept the dakotas east of the missouri r. + missouri north of the missouri r.
― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
south dakota is just like nebraska but about four hundred degrees colder in the winter
― cialis morissette (goole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
also, btw, you know that trope about the midwestern/alaskan "connection"? like, that got thrown around a bit during the elections w/r/t palin's accent and support, etc.?
they were not talking about illinois, indiana, ohio, or pennsylvania.
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
MIDWEST ="rust belt"IN, MI, OH, PA"north central"IL, IA, MN, WI"prairie"KS, NE, ND, SD
this sounds about right, with the "rust belt" provisos posted above.
― get killed walkin your DOGGIE (get bent), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link
mookie otm!
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link
yes cosign
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
btw for those of you that are defining the midwest as vast expanses of agri flatland, you should prob tweak that definition a little bit, given northern mn, western SD, and pretty much most of WI.
― Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
No it's okay! I mean obv I'm totally clueless about the Dakotas. And I really can't recall why I thought they had mountains. I'm trying to think of a book or a toy or a map or something but no good.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
mount rushmore?
― brownie, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
insidious north dakota tourism propaganda
― Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
My MidwestND SD NE KS MN IA MO WI IL MI IN OH
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I love how emotional people are getting about this!
― existential eggs (Abbott), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I've driven across Nebraska on the way to Colorado, but no further north than that.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
― Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:53 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, see, i tend to think of Midwestern as more of a cultural thing, which is why western sodak and s missouri and parts of the rust belt and like all of KY doesn't ring right to me
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
what is oklahoma, btw? just north texas?
― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link
ND SD NE KS MN IA MO WI IL MI IN OH
― Mr. Que, Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:54 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is otm
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link
OK=Texas's trucker hat
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
wisconsin is such an attractive state
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
it's an area of the map, not whether a place has the characteristic of midwesternness. imo.
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
some parts of the rust belt, like pittsburgh and buffalo, are not in it. and some parts that are not flat are in it.
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
yes, you are correct, not a single part of penn or fucking NY is in the midwest, who on earth would even suggest that
also i can categorically say that there are no mountains in the midwest
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link
our state boundaries were drawn by slavers and plutocrats and paid for in blood anyway, fwiw
― cialis morissette (goole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ i mean, just the midwest's
― cialis morissette (goole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
u_u
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
waht is the mesabi range a range of
― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link