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i think Foundation Pit is one of Platonov weakest stories (actually, it's a novella) maybe cause it's super realistic,dry,too political and with too much dialouge while Platonov merits are in creating a poetic,lyrical,closed to surreal, but very gentle atmosphere, which is closer to Kafka, Schultz, Gombrowicz and a little Cortazar than anything else

Zeno, Thursday, 22 October 2009 08:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Well I do have a taste for political fiction -- I read the intro to Soul (the short story collection also bought out NYRB) and what did draw my attention was the politics (with one eye on the craft of writing; 'dry' and 'political' needn't necessarily go together), and that he wrote the majority of his works (which includes essays on many subjects, writers that do write really widely is a good sign to me) in that 1917-1929 period in Russian history, as I'm really interested in Russian fiction from that period.

It would probably be disappointing to me if it was some kind of Kafka knock-off.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 October 2009 09:31 (fourteen years ago) link

it isn't a Kafka knock-off - it's very unique,though it resemble Kafka .
in a way,all of Platonov's writing is political, but the genius of his writing,imo,is when the political issues are the subtext of the story,not the story itself: isnt that (among other things) what makes a great art - the beauty of the transformation from "message" to "imagery"?
he did it not only because he was a talented writer but also because of the censorship and fear of the goverment,but sometimes,ironically those restaints produce great art..

Zeno, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:39 (fourteen years ago) link

"Soul" is fantastic, Jules. Summary: geezer goes to be Soviet rep dude to some dwindling, semi-migratory tribe, goes fairly native. You can have a lend of my copy if you want (it's a Harvill not an NYRB, soz). It didn't feel like Kafka, to me. I liked "The Foundation Pit" too, and have read the stories in "The Return" and the feeling I came away with wasn't really gentleness but a slightly panicky inability to move.

(I note that in his Wikipedia page Andrey is being played by Denholm Elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Platonov.)

"The political issues are the subtext of the story, not the story itself" - yes, this, but (in "Soul" and "TFP" I think) it's a subtext which makes the story wrench and scream.

Tim, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:51 (fourteen years ago) link

lolz I spent a good five mins trying to work the Denholm Elliott 'thing'. Thanks for the offer, Tim, I'll take.

I see that the translator himself 'comments' on the Amazon page for the book.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Book Court in Cobble/Boerum Hill has a whole shelf just of NYRB books.

the onimo effect (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 10 December 2009 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Book Court in Cobble/Boerum Hill has a whole shelf just of NYRB books.

the onimo effect (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 10 December 2009 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

hey--does anyone know a place in brooklyn, say, in the cobble hill or boerum hill area, where i can find these books?

max, Thursday, 10 December 2009 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I think somebody might have posted about that way up thread.

the onimo effect (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 10 December 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

(Thought it wasn't supposed to let me do that.)

the onimo effect (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 10 December 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Are there any shops that deal in books by New Directions in London?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link

I think I've seen some of their stuff in Charing X Foyles. But maybe a while ago - have a half-sense that Foyles have made their stock-buying a bit less idiosyncratic - others might know more.

tetrahedron of space (woof), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Other thing is I don't see (unlike Dalkey and NYRB) a lot of New directions stuff 2nd hand. Maybe it just hasn't registered..

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link

have a half-sense that Foyles have made their stock-buying a bit less idiosyncratic

Been a while since I worked there, but even at the time it was part of the remit to move from the old (admittedly ludicrously haphazard and expensive) habits to the new ones. We were still encouraged to take a punt on eccentric hunches (my favourite was getting in a load of Anatomy of Melancholy when NYRB republished it - nowhere else in London got it in, and I took loads - bonanza) but, even if that doesn't go on any more (and after all the misses were greater than the hits), I think there's still a general attempt to take a more left-field approach to things. As much as anything this makes sound business sense, separating you out from competitors. Like anywhere else tho, it's the computer books and medical stuff that brings home the bacon. (Plus true crime and big big blockbusters). Any largish bookshop would be a fool to miss out on that.

Don't know about New Directions, mind, haven't been in for a while, but worth asking, as given a sympathetic ear, they might start getting them in to see how they sell, even if they haven't already.

GamalielRatsey, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link

That NYRB shelf at Book Court is so enticing. It makes me feel like there's this entire alternate universe of great literature I've never read.

surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Thinking some more, it might have been Borders where I saw them - back in their UK heyday when they had lots of American books unavailable elsewhere (didn't use Amazon back then). The only things I know I've seen, though, are the Ezra Pound editions.

So that isn't very helpful.

tetrahedron of space (woof), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link

That's ok. So much of what's on their Latin American and Asian lists interests me.

I guess I'll eventually have to start buying things on amazon.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 11:01 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

they really are like the criterion collection of book publishers. the jg farrell ones are my favorite i've read thus far, particularly 'troubles'.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link

That's an interesting comparison.

Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Thinking about getting Anatomy of Melancholy soon.

Generation Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link

they really are like the criterion collection of book publishers.

truth bomb

pies. (gbx), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

A few NYRB favourites, pulled out of my head at random...

Any and all Tove Jansson and JG Farrell, as you said, plus Stefan Zweig

LJ Davis: A Meaningful Life -- black suburbanite comedy, very uncomfortably funny
Adolfo Bioy Cesares: The Invention of Morel -- clever, mind-twisting sci-fi
Christopher Priest: Even cleverer, more mind-twisting sci-fi
Harvey Swados: At Night in the Gardens of Brooklyn -- wonderful short story collection
JR Ackerley: My Dog Tulip, My Father and Myself, We Think the WOrld of You -- the first two are memoirs, the 3rd a novel, all great
William Attaway: Blood on the Forge -- savage, bleak, amazing story about two black brothers in the 1930s
Frigyes Karinthy: A Journey Round my Skull -- funny and fascinating memoir of brain injury
Dezső Kosztolányi: Skylark -- beautiful short book about doting parents whose daughter goes away on a holiday, causing them to break out as gamblers, drinkers, eaters, etc etc

Man, so many other gems, cant list them all. Am also especially looking forward to:

The Three Christs of Ypsilanti: "On July 1, 1959, at Ypsilanti State Hospital in Michigan, the social psychologist Milton Rokeach brought together three paranoid schizophrenics: Clyde Benson, an elderly farmer and alcoholic; Joseph Cassel, a failed writer who was institutionalized after increasingly violent behavior toward his family; and Leon Gabor, a college dropout and veteran of World War II.

The men had one thing in common: each believed himself to be Jesus Christ. Their extraordinary meeting and the two years they spent living together serves as the basis for this poignant and often hilarious investigation into the nature of human identity, belief, and delusion. With novelistic momentum and insight, Rokeach takes us into the lives of these three incredible and, despite their common claim, altogether singular personalities who find themselves “confronted with the ultimate contradiction conceivable for human beings: more than one person claiming the same identity.”

In scenes of remarkable power and vividness (“I'm telling you I'm God!” “You're not!” “I'm God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost! I know what I am. . .”) we see the three Christs argue, proclaim, and soliloquize about the nature of their contentious divinity, and are given a window onto one of the most remarkable psychological case studies on record. "

The great big red thing, for those who like a surprise (James Morrison), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Harvey Swados: At Night in the Gardens of Brooklyn -- wonderful short story collection

this is really terrific & its kinda so good that i think anything i cld say wld do it a disservice? its fantastic imo

if i were doing a pov i think id choose:

vladimir sorokin: ice - 'flat' kinda minimal russian horror + socialist realist parody + ad-speak parody
don carpenter: hard rain falling - impressionistic 50s crime novel really beautiful
mavis gallant short story collection - i just like her voice stark and knowing and terrible
stefan zweig: post-office girl - idk... unrelenting? really wonderful tho
gregor von rizzi: memoirs of an anti-semite - five interconnected stories abt a central european aristocrat 'dark and funny'

☼ (Lamp), Thursday, 5 August 2010 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

hey lamp we were talking sorokin on the shakey hates books thread--if i read sacred book of the werewolf and found it readble and engaging but haaaaaated the buddhist theologizing, would i like ice

max, Thursday, 5 August 2010 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i like the opies' 'lore and language of schoolchildren' (mentioned above), it's got an amazing ethnographic touch. i only wish it were more about american children (or slightly latter-day ones).

their recent selection of thoreau's journals (chosen by damion searls, of the recent melville redaction) is very nice too.

j., Thursday, 5 August 2010 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i read like a quarter of 'the long ships' in the bookstore the other day it was so rad

max, Thursday, 5 August 2010 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link

ice is really readable and for the first third really riveting but he does sacrifice story/character/language for the sake of explicating the thematic/structural ideas hes interested in - i think maybe if you dont care much about post-stalin russian lit the middle section in particular might be a slog. i mean the arguments hes making arent as repetitive/textual as the ones in werewolf but they infect the very form hes using.

☼ (Lamp), Thursday, 5 August 2010 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link

im a lot more interested in post-stalin russian lit than a werewolf explaining buddhism 102

max, Thursday, 5 August 2010 05:48 (thirteen years ago) link

max werent you guys talking abt victor pelevin on the other thread, rather than sorokin? or are you just comparing the two

just sayin, Thursday, 5 August 2010 07:21 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

max, Thursday, 5 August 2010 07:27 (thirteen years ago) link

we were

max, Thursday, 5 August 2010 07:27 (thirteen years ago) link

all those russian "v"s

max, Thursday, 5 August 2010 07:27 (thirteen years ago) link

hahaha

just sayin, Thursday, 5 August 2010 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link

lets not tell anyone about this

max, Thursday, 5 August 2010 07:35 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Last night in Grand Central I picked up the The New York Stories of Elizabeth Hardwick and the one I've read so far is ace.

The Wayne Shorter Dinah Shore Test (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 October 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Picked up Paul Schmidt's The Stray Dog Cabaret last weekend.

http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~kohler/z/nyrb/stray-dog-cabaret.jpg

Ballard, Dick (Eazy), Friday, 22 October 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link

their edition of félix fénéon's novels in three lines has a great introductory essay

======.======= (Lamp), Monday, 25 October 2010 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes. Was having trouble getting into that book- I usually avoid reading forewords and back cover summaries to avoid spoilers- but after reading your post I went back and read that intro and it is essential.

The Wayne Shorter Dinah Shore Test (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 25 October 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Couldn't get into Novels in Three Lines myself: principle + Santé enthused me, but Barnes in the LRB cooled me a little bit again - plus I wasn't enjoying the experience of reading it that much.

portrait of velleity (woof), Monday, 25 October 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link

that barnes piece is sorta half right or maybe its right in letter but not in spirit. like santé (and the publishers) probably go too far in 'contextualizing' the work but its wrong to freight the thing with too much significance or 'meaning' either way. fénéon's life and his philiosophy were interesting to read about & some of santés parallels (like the futurists quote) seem correct, or at least illuminating. & really a beautiful turn of phrase, real wit, economy of form all these have value of their own - i dont think the collection needs to be 'ART' or w/e barnes wants it to be.

it also helps not to read them all at a time but just a page or two a day, i found.

soda lake swame (Lamp), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Reading Grossman's brilliant unfinished novel Everything Flows, might have to chase up on The Road.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link

The Road's pretty great -- collection of stories, articles, letters -- the later stories especially are wonderful. I've not read any other Grossman, though 'Life and Fate' is looming hugely on a shelf

buildings with goats on the roof (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 October 2010 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link

we appear to have a bunch of remainders come in

thomp, Thursday, 28 October 2010 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I bought "In Hazard" by Richard Hughes for a couple of quid without any particularly high expectations (I like Richard Hughes a lot and I like NYRB but I'm not so hot on yer maritime novels) - it's really very tremendous indeed.

Tim, Thursday, 28 October 2010 11:57 (thirteen years ago) link

any recommendations from this lot?

stephen benatar, wish her safe at home
mavis gallant, the cost of living
geoffrey household, rogue male
jakov lind, soul of wood
guy de maupassant, afloat
audrey platonov, the foundation pit
victor serge, unforgiving years
francis wyndham, the complete fiction
stefan zweig, the post-office girl

thomp, Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link

francis wyndham, that sounds good. complete things are always better.

also, mavis gallant is a good name, and 'the cost of living' sounds like it could be about Important Things.

so i say those.

j., Thursday, 28 October 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Unforgiving Years is great, but I haven't read many of those.

I read Season of Migration to the North a few months ago and really enjoyed it.

clotpoll, Thursday, 28 October 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link

thomp, I read Gallant's "Paris Stories' a while back and I'm genuinely curious about 'The Cost of Living'.

A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 28 October 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Platonov and Serge, from that list.

The NYRB have done really well to assemble some of the really good stuff from the former USSR.

All we need now is the complete tales from Shalamov's Kolyma Tales cycle. xp

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 28 October 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I really liked Platonov's Foundation Pit, but I think his collection of stories is better. Would like to read most of the rest of that list, thomp.

wmlynch, Thursday, 28 October 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link


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