askance ur map seems OTM to me w/ exception of kentucky. people who say OH isn't midwest are usually from plains states ime (and are totally and completely wrong)
fuck yes MO is midwest
― mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link
I consider Kentucky as part of the South.
― sarahel, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link
yea me too
― mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link
side question:
what are the plains states?
― husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link
(we will keep going in this manner until we get to island states)
― husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link
the plains states are ND, SD, NE, and KS. what's OK though?
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link
def plains
― mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link
those are the quintessential plains states imo, even tho the plains overlap onto other midwest & western states
― mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah that's why it's hard to categorize like that, same as using appalachian like i do. they should have a different name like "the middle"
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link
like you could include montana and wyoming and colorado but i don't want to. those are "rocky mountain states"
http://www.unl.edu/plains/CGPS_images/main/egpmap2.gif
― dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link
btw i'd just like to add that st louis is fucking rad, one of my fav cities for sure
― mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link
saskatchewan and alberta are canada states
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Kentucky is like another country compared to the Midwest. And I say this as a fan.
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link
cross-examination
harbl,
you listed the ND and SD as part of the Midwest. Minutes later, you stated that the plains states are ND, SD...
Is there overlap between the Midwest and the Plains states? or are you LYING?!?!
― husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link
yes
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link
ohioindianamichiganwisconsinillinoisminnesotaiowamissouri
― access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link
From Newshour:
http://www-tc.pbs.org/newshour/images/convention/plains.gif
RONG
― husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link
the great plains are a helpful contributor to everything between chicago and the west coast being pretty boring imo.
― access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link
newshour claims those as plains states, btw
― husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link
that drive is just....damn.
no i think "the midwest" you hear about in the news as a broad general category includes the plains states xposst
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link
parts of KY are distinctively southern but then you have to realize that Cincinatti is less than a 90 minute drive from either Louisville or Lexington....
I think the same dual-identity could be applied to Missouri. KC vs. STL vs Springfield... all radically different cities and culture.
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link
every non-coastal state that is not part of the South or Southwest
ohioindianaillinoismissourikansasnebraskawisconsinmichiganminnesotawyomingiowacoloradon dakotas dakotaidahomontana
― sarahel, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah ohio has like 4 different types of states within it too
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link
yea midwest encompasses the plains states. u can be a midwestern state but not a plains state, but all plains states are midwest (i'm not counting western states that have plains as 'plains states' tho)
― mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:53 (fourteen years ago) link
great lakes is a region too - minnesota, wisconsin, illinois, indiana, michigan, ohio, PA, western NY
― mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
sarahel you cannot be serious with that
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
wherever R. Kelly and Nelly be at
― Obamacare Death Panel for Cutie (wssp), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link
i've heard buffalo lumped in as a midwestern city which is totally ??? except for the accent.
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link
sarahel's definition actually seems kind of rational and consistent, but I'm not sure that such things have much to do with how regions are perceived.
― dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link
ohio and indiana are wild cards -- they're not not midwestern but i tend to lump them in with the rust belt northeast.
― get killed walkin your DOGGIE (get bent), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, I've heard Pittsburgh referred to as a midwestern state, which kind of makes sense...Buffalo and Pittsburgh might have more in common with e.g. Cleveland than they do with Philly or NYC
― dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:58 (fourteen years ago) link
(xpost) same with buffalo really -- it's rust belt northeast but the case for spiritual midwesternness could be made.
― get killed walkin your DOGGIE (get bent), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link
xp harbl: yeah, you're right, i'm kidding. Maybe I should've been more obvious about it and said, "The Midwest is everything east of I5 until you hit the East Coast."
― sarahel, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.overmorgen.com/weblog/files/2009/01/09/nine_nations_of_north_america.gif
― dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link
the only midwest states are the states with big ten schools. shit, except for pennsylvania.
― t0dd swiss, Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link
western 2/3 of penn are basically midwest imo
― you just freaked out more than our director of lols (Pillbox), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:03 (fourteen years ago) link
clinging to their guns and religion
― get killed walkin your DOGGIE (get bent), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link
core states are: indiana, michigan, ohio, wisconsin, illinois, minnesota
iowa is a toss up b/w midwest & plains (mostly plains)
missouri is a weird mutant hybrid of midwest, plains & south
― you just freaked out more than our director of lols (Pillbox), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:13 (fourteen years ago) link
This is blowing my mind. To me, Iowa was always the very definition of Midwest.
― husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link
indiana, michigan, ohio, wisconsin, illinois, minnesota, iowa.
The rule: Midwestern states are the ones which were free states during the Civil War and which don't have a border with the Atlantic or Pacific. Except Vermont, which is obviously not Midwestern (but which is, I would say the most Midwestern of the NE states.)
And except Kansas. But again, I'd say Kansas is MORE Midwestern than Missouri, Kentucky, Nebraska....
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link
J0rdan, where do native Missourians categorize mo?
I lived there from age 3-22, and I always thought of it as midwest.
― husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:23 (fourteen years ago) link
a co-worker who kept saying that the Midwest ended at Illinois
the correct response to this assertion is WISCONSIN
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, how are you gonna draw a line on that one
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess I think The Midwest as that aggregate of states which are (A) east of the Mississippi (Minnesota excepted); (B) north of the Mason-Dixon; (C) composed of a diversity of geological features: lakes, forests, plains, hills, wetlands etc.; & (D) straddled economically b/w industry & agriculture.
― you just freaked out more than our director of lols (Pillbox), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:32 (fourteen years ago) link
yea seriously xp - there are a few states that are no-bullshit midwestern states. imo these are: wisconsin, minnesota, illinois, iowa, indiana (have any deniers ever been to bloomington ffs?), ohio, and michigan. i'd even throw in missouri into that
― mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link
not saying that is the correct definition, mind - just the way I've always personally sorted them.
― you just freaked out more than our director of lols (Pillbox), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link
As an Oregonian, I have given the matter very little thought. To a native of the west coast, large tracts of the country are simply "back east".
I would obviously exclude all the eastern seaboard states, new england, the old south and the border south states like kentucky and tennessee. The west proper starts with any state containing the continental divide.
Missouri is an odd duck that is very hard to place. Pennsylvania is equally an odd duck, but is too far east for me to feel comfortable tagging it midewestern. Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin try to set themselves apart as the old Northwest, but I'm not fooled a bit. They are middle west by affinity as well as by geography.
OTH, Oklahoma doesn't fit at all with the likes of Iowa, Kansas or Nebraska, so it absolutely cannot be midwestern for that reason alone.
― Aimless, Thursday, 22 October 2009 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
you guys, regions aren't mutually exclusive, and regional boundaries can overlap state boundaries ok. life is too short for your rigid geographical constructs, free ur minds~
― iiiijjjj, Thursday, 22 October 2009 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link
thank you for not suggesting a radius around touchdown jesus
― mookieproof
and thank you for mentioning touchdown jesus.
― i am also larry mullen jr (Karl Malone), Saturday, 31 August 2019 03:40 (four years ago) link
For some reason I think of Missouri more as “the south” than any of the places that surround it on three sides. Or at least more south than north and nothing that is the south can be the Midwest.
― joygoat, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:03 (four years ago) link
Missouri is Midwestern, but not 100% Midwest.
You can't ever have owned slaves or started a catfish farm in the Midwest. They just had a machine-gun shooting governor resign over a weird S&M episode – that ain't the Midwest I know!
― pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:10 (four years ago) link
But they do call Coke "Pop," so that kinda tips it back to Midwest.
― pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:11 (four years ago) link
Sorry I wasn't here originally, but my son was born the day before this thread was started.
― pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:12 (four years ago) link
They just had a machine-gun shooting governor resign over a weird S&M episode
too true -- that's more of a razorbacks ball coach thing
― mookieproof, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:21 (four years ago) link
S&M governor seems like an incredibly midwestern thing to me - is it just that it went public and he resigned instead of just having a sex dungeon until he died?
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:47 (four years ago) link
Like it's on brand for Texas to have a governor talk about secession but if one resigned because of that, shit would be weird.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:48 (four years ago) link
Dallas feels like the midwest
― ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 August 2019 06:18 (four years ago) link
I lived in east central kansass for a number of years and I don’t think it is midwest. It definitely sucks though!
― L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 31 August 2019 08:06 (four years ago) link
Maybe it is a Midwestern thing to resign over that. It'd be a southern governor who' d go, yeah I tied her up, took her picture and wore blackface throughout the whole thing. What you gonna do about it?
― pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 11:15 (four years ago) link
Every month, we publish this regular report from Creighton University, and every month, my editor and I just look at each other and go, Welp...
https://i.imgur.com/J4aeRxi.png
― pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
― pplains
excuse me are you familiar with the political career of ex-cincinnati mayor jerry springer
also, sorry about your slower economic growth
― Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Saturday, 31 August 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link
― pplains, Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:03 AM (three hours ago)
I guess ND, SD, NE, KS, and OK are the pplains states.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 31 August 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Ekxncoy.png
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
Cool map, but I think using the label "Cultural Areas" shows a misunderstanding of what is required to make a distinct culture.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link
not quite sure how to break it up, but i don't think you can put new england all in one
also aimless otm
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link
"Resides within Cultural Area #27" is pretty much all that a Las Vegas casino owner, a west Texas oil rig mechanic, a Scottsdale tax attorney, a Navajo sheep rancher, a Santa Fe pottery thrower, and a Yuma lettuce farmer have in common culturally except for the fact that they all smoke hella weed.
― the burrito that defined a generation, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
Deep South too big. You need some sort of Delta region in there too.
I get that this is a "Cultural" map, but c'mon. Sallisaw, Oklahoma, ain't the Deep South.
― pplains, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link
listen everybody, i did the best i could on this map
i'm open to feedback but let's keep it constructive
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link
after 2 years, the washington post study we commissioned is finally done! here are the results:
https://i.imgur.com/tht9XVl.png
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/07/29/airbnb-the-most-midwestern-things/
additionally, the team at the post was able to come up with the definitive list, so there should be no need for any more disagreement on this subject until new states are added or subtracted to the united states
Note: The 12 Midwestern states are Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio and South Dakota
Finally, all of these states have been ranked by midwesterness. sorry South Dakota, you have been relegated, and Ohio you are *this* close to getting the boot:
https://i.imgur.com/6h0NjG3.png
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link
that's right
― mh, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
I question the methodology of that last list. Notice that it’s the states with bigger cities that place nearer the bottom of the list. Maybe if you’re listing an Airbnb in a place like Detroit or Chicago or Cleveland you don’t have to add the descriptor “Midwest” bc everyone knows what those places are like. Also the Midwesternness of those areas is not in question, whereas a more borderline case like some town in Iowa, which is not obviously Midwestern, would call for “Midwest” in the listing to sort of suggest to renters what they’re getting into.
― Josefa, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 17:43 (one year ago) link
You'll never convince me that Iowa's Midwestern status is a "borderline case."
https://i.imgur.com/FKkonnE.png
― pplains, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 20:22 (one year ago) link
xp I would make the same case, Josefa. Nobody in even southern Minnesota is going to post about Midwestern ambience, it'll be about lakes, fishing, or proximity to Minneapolis. And the vast majority in Illinois are in Chicago and they'd mention local amenities
also Iowa is insanely midwestern, what are you talking about
I've previously mentioned my corn index for Midwesterness (you can argue historical standards and the midwesterness of the rust belt as alternatives) but imo the more corn planted, the more midwestern. So you get Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, eastern Nebraska, etc etc
not-xp: corn sweat is real, 38% humidity today and 100 degrees outside
― mh, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 02:56 (one year ago) link
Pretty sure these points are made in the article itself iirc
― jaymc, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 04:18 (one year ago) link
38% humidity today
OH POOR YOU.
― pplains, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 13:17 (one year ago) link
In my state, the humidity is so high that the air smells like corn sweat ... and we don't have any corn.
― pplains, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 13:18 (one year ago) link
More like soybean sweat.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 13:49 (one year ago) link
the humidity wasn't terrible, the 100 degrees on top of it was a bit more irritating
― mh, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 13:52 (one year ago) link