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OK I will start a thread to spoil it!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

The second Grant Morrison Flash story (apparently they were written 3 Grant 3 Mark 3 Grant 3 Mark after an initial pissup brainstorming session) is really a favourite of mine. Even apart from yet another imaginary childhood friend and further opportunities for a new world every panel, there's something about the gimmick in the final issue that really moves me. So much that I still loved it when he used it again a year later at the end of JLA. I didn't really mind the Speed Force nonsense, I just don't feel the need to have it all Make Sense. Also I love the way every issue has the same introduction from Wally.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Millar was probably at least as responsible as Grant* for the story you're referring to, given his history of writing actual Sonic comics

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the only good things about Waid's run was his habit of starting each issue with 'My name is Wally West and I'm the Flash' in a caption, which I think Morrison/Millar continued. It may even have started with Messner-Loebs. As I remember, Morrison played with that in JLA by having Flash possessed by some cosmic beestie and then being brought back to reality by Batman. He pulled the starfish off his head screaming 'MY NAME IS WALLY WEST AND I'M THE FLASH!' which was only natural as he was thinking that in captions at least three times a day, making him THE MOST EGOMANIACAL HERO EVAH. Unfortunately I think Johns stopped doing that.

Vic Fluro, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 06:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand, Kit.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I did find a newsarama interview where he says "Still, I've written plenty of, er, non-rape books too like Superman: Red Son, JLA, Superman Adventures, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Paradise Lost, The Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men and Sonic The Hedgehog. Actually, I did have Tails fuck Sonic up the arse in one issue of that, but it was definitely consensual."

Though he also later says "I'm honestly as happy writing Superman Adventures as I am writing Wanted. I don't see one as bring better or more literate than the other"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Johns still does it. He usually finds a way to switch it up and have it be all "My name is Wally West, and I used to think I was... THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE!"

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM with Simonson's Orion. I really liked it, and I miss it too! I liked many of the backup stories too. Well, I liked all of them, just because the array of artists working there was so wide.

Grant on Flash was OK, but not as great as I expected. Back then I had already been a fan of his work for a long time time, so having him as the regular writer for my favorite character ever was a dream come true. But...well, "Hell To Pay" was such a great ending for Waid's run it became a tough act to follow to anyone who had to step on his shoes. Plus, he went out with the promise of coming back one year later with "Chain Lightning" which, back then, was hyped to be this super-cosmic-time-and-space-spanning-Flash-epic that was gonna change the world for ever and all that crap. So Grant's stuff was OK, but by coming after "Hell to pay" and with the hype behind "Chain Lightning", his run turned out to be a bit underwhelming and it ended up being a mildly fun way of killing the time until Waid's return.

iodine (iodine), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Where do y'all get your cbrs from?

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

DC++

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand, Kit.

er because Millar used to write Sonic The Hedgehog monthly, I would not be surprised that the plot where Flash races Sonic The Hedgehog across the universe came from him rather than Grant.

Their usual writing practice was to divvy up dialoguing issue-by-issue, rather than story-by-story, so that would fit. Also since there's no way Grant didn't write that one with his new version of the Mirror Master, which wouldn't fit with the three-on three-off pattern. (of course it all got thrown wonky when he had to bail from the last three due to overcommittment, which might be what you're thinking of?)

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I'm thinking of being told that it was 3-3-3-3. There are three issues where Flash races Krakkl, and they are all very Grant Morrison. Unless there's a specific one where Sonic turns up that i don't remember.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Krakkl = Sonic!!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 08:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Also I wondered at the time if the whole "I'm racing my imaginary friend" thing was a gentle dig by Millar at "Foxy, you came back" etc.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay granted (er), I might be seeing things as very Morrison when they're a pastiche (pronouced "piss-take") by a good friend.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

what's dc++ again?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

It's where INCREDIBLY FAMOUS writers and artists tell not-necessarily in-continuity stories that also happen to be dreadfully dull about the most famous superheroes in the world.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

or possibly an internet filesharing system, who knows

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 15 September 2005 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

direct connect?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 September 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

yes.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 15 September 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

19. FANTASTIC FOUR 1234 #1-4

G-Mo! On the FF! Cool! Not really. A pretty thin plot (Doom manipulates reality but underestimates the FF's innate goodness) allows GM to trot round some icons without really seeming too enthused by any of it. Nice Jae Lee art - murk is boring but he does it better than most - is it really true tho that the Torch's powers stop working if its RAINING??? (ok I think it was some sort of mutant super-rain)

Tom (Groke), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

20. COLOSSUS: BLOODLINE #1

All Colossus stories in which he is painting are funny and this is no exception as he expresses his inner torment by drawing a mid-90s Simon Bisley picture. When you think about it it's amazing that the X-books have never done the "his name is Rasputin yes Rasputin WHO ELSE HAD THAT NAME" plot before, but David Hine is a pretty decent low-key writer so this works as a good read and a stupid larff. Hine's rise to mild x-prominence is a bit odd though - who'd have thought when I was reading "Sticky Fingers" in CRISIS all those years ago that he'd end up doing a hokey Colossus mini?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

21. WOLVERINE #20-#31

12 issues of nothing but fighting drawn by John Romita Jr = pretty good fun! I read it all in about 40 minutes but so what? Wolverine murderises lots of good guys then gets turned good again and murderises all the bad guys instead: in some ways this is the quintessential Wolverine story and certainly seems to have been a crowd-pleaser, but on the other hand you can't imagine it having been done at any time prior to now.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 26 September 2005 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

what dc++ hubs do you guys find useful?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got the first 196 issues of the Flash (current series)! And I have everything after that in comic form.
The first year is fucking amazing. Seriously fucking amazing. Though only about a half hour's read.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah it is, the Mike Baron flash - great stuff! Vandal Savage has never been scarier. The Flash asking for payment! Kapitalist Kouriers! Velocity-9! CHUNK! Kilg%re!

I'm not sure the comic's ever been better to be honest.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, I remember having warm fuzzies for the first chunk of Mike Baron's Punisher, too. THAT BEING SAID...

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Chunk is awesome. I'm up to #82 right now, and hoping that none of the following issues feature The Death of Chunk in any way...

carson dial (carson dial), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

As far as I know Chunk is still going! There was a hairy moment when he turned up in a Geoff Johns story and his powers went wild but I believe he pulled through unscathed.

The great thing about the Baron FLASH (& the Messner-Loebs run) is that in 6/8/10 years time some writer is going to come along and revive it all in the same way Johns is all about the Cary Bates rogues galleries and soapy set-ups.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope that Blue Trinity/Kapitalist Kouriers are still around (but don't spoil it for me!), though I guess they won't fit in with the current DCU timeline and will probably be OMAC fodder like the Rocket Reds.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Chunk eats them.

:)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

okay, so I have been re-reading the Morrison-Millar Flash run and mad apologies to Andrew upthread, it totally reads more like Morrison on the first three and less like him on the next two! I would happily read more Mirror Master written by Millar every month (though Grant should provide the clever supervillain tricks).

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 30 September 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i finally 'figured out' zcult - ROCK

quick question, the person who started the thread about martian manhunter's 'demise' - are they really that person?

also: it roxx. so hard.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 30 September 2005 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

How do you do it, James, I haven't got a frickin' clue.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 30 September 2005 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"I hope that Blue Trinity/Kapitalist Kouriers are still around (but don't spoil it for me!), though I guess they won't fit in with the current DCU timeline and will probably be OMAC fodder like the Rocket Reds."

One of them (don't ask me which one) died in some crossover or Flash event some years ago. He was running up the wall of some building when he lost his powers, fell down and SPLOTCH!

And yes, Messner-Loebs' Flash was lovely.

iodine (iodine), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Re: Zcult, you have to follow the instructions they give you exactly.
I, meanwhile, have made no progress, despite lots of helpful tips from ILCers, in figuring out DC++.

quick question, the person who started the thread about martian manhunter's 'demise' - are they really that person?

Is what who now?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah dc++ i got no idea what the hell that is; i'm more than fine so far with zcult esp since the only thing i'd love to find i can't so much (indie artsy) apparently isn't really cbr'ed that thrououghly anyhow.

chuck register and then go to the introduce yourself thread/forum which will be one of the few things you'll see and start a thread introducing yourself, post it, and then immediately you'll have access to the rest of the site. look for the tracker 'forums' at the bottom then.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 30 September 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

One of them (don't ask me which one) died in some crossover or Flash event some years ago. He was running up the wall of some building when he lost his powers, fell down and SPLOTCH!

I don't remember reading this, but it sounds very much like the Gene Bomb in INVASION!, doesn't it?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Someone also told me something about a program called EDonkey, that works on comiccentral.cc. But I can't figure that either. Thanks, though!

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you HAVE to pay on Zcult?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think so. But they certainly would like you to. I haven't. I haven't d/led anything from them in a while, since I realized that d/ling the entire Suicide Squad run was fun and all, but I'm never going to get around to reading the whole thing. Especially not since I've got EVERY WALLY WEST FLASH EVER to get through.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, I've joined. And paid (whoops). What next?

Signed,
A confused stupid comics pirate.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

chuck register and then go to the introduce yourself thread/forum which will be one of the few things you'll see and start a thread introducing yourself, post it, and then immediately you'll have access to the rest of the site. look for the tracker 'forums' at the bottom then.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Last night I finally read Batman: Detective #27, the historical whatchamacallit by Bat-Movie Potentate Michael Uslan and A Man Named Snejberg.
Very, very stupid. This had been promoted as being along the lines of Carter Beats the Devil, one of my favourite novels ever, and I almost bought it in hardcover. Whew!
Uslan makes hay out of the 1989 Batflick, cribbing the Jack Napier character AND that atrocious "Dance...devil...pale moonlight" catchphrase. The nail (but not "THE NAIL") in the Elseworlds coffin, I guess.
The art is really great, howev.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Last night I d/led the comics that changed my life. Green Lantern, Vol. 2 #170-224. Basically just before the Dave Gibbons run through the end of the GLC series. I am worried about re-reading them. BUT GUH! Gibbons' art is oh mama.

Also d/led:
The Brave & the Bold #200, final issue, Batman/Batman by Mike W. Barr & Dave Gibbons. Turns out, I used to have this as well, but I had completely forgotten about it. A strange tale of Earths 1 & 2 and a man named Brimstone (with AWESOME hair) who traversed the multi-dimensional barrier using only his hatred for Batman.
Justice League of America #171 & 172 Another Earth 1 & Earth 2 story. This one concerns the annual team-up of the JLA/JSA and the death of the original Mr. Terrific. I remember getting the first issue from a used bin when I was a kid, and then I never found the conclusion, so I've just been walking around like a moron for all these years wondering who killed Mr. T. Turns out it was Jay Garrick, but the JL/SA decided that since they've always liked Jay Garrick more than Terry Sloane anyway, they'd just wipe their own minds and forget about it.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Over the weekend, I d/led and read: Arsenal Four issue mini from '98. Written by Dick Grayson, drawn by Cory Anders, inked by Garfield Logan. "OH NO, the fellow I was sidekick to is dead, I MUST BECOME GREEN ARROW! Er, wait, there's already a new Green Arrow, and this guy is the old Green Arrow's biological son. Oliver Queen didn't even have the decency to have sex with my mother! Where is my mother? I guess I didn't have one. The midichlorians from my forest ranger daddy's peepee just issued me forth. I guess that's why I'm such a lady's man."

The Brave & the Bold #85, Peak Neal Adams, 1st appearance of Green Arrow's beard! Amazingly, I've read this before! It must have been reprinted in one of those DC Blue Ribbon Digests. Still, fantastic non-fantastic Bob Haney story. Bruce Wayne, congressman! Batman and GA share a psychiatrist! Psychiatrist uses self-hypnosis to remove knowledge of their secret IDs! Who needs Zatanna?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I read Batgirl #1-69. It's really good for the most part, though it does keep getting waylaid by stupid crossovers. The stuff from the original writers are like a masterclass into how to deal with a one-gimmick superhero for 50 issues without it being boring (though some of the issues do read quite quickly). At some point they have a 3-issue Connor Hawke crossover, as asked for in the letter page. This should by rights be pretty awesome, except it's written by Chuck Dixon so it's ass instead.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I really enjoyed the first trades of Batgirl (which I scored at the public library), but could never justify paying for comics that scan in under a minute. I guess that's a little rockist, isn't it.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

So there I was, downloading the final 50 issues or so of the Barry Allen Flash series, and I realized, "These were actually pretty awful comics, weren't they?"
But having just read all the 80s Green Lantern, I'm kinda locked in.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

oh no, don't say it, I've been wanting to read those since I was nine!

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link


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