funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

Also, Wideboys back into the R&G as well.

Ha ha, Wideboys are always so accomodating with their different remixes:

1 Snowflake (Wideboys Original Club Mix) (3:50)
Remix - Wideboys*
2 Snowflake (Wideboys House Mix) (5:55)
Remix - Wideboys*
3 Snowflake (Future Freakz Remix) (6:34)
Remix - Future Freakz
4 Snowflake (Wideboys Bumpy Mix) (6:12)
Remix - Wideboys*
5 Snowflake (Wideboys Dutty Bass Mix) (4:54)
Remix - Wideboys*
6 Snowflake (4/4 Organ Mix) (4:26)
7 Snowflake (Wideboys Up Norf Big Booty Bassline Mix) (5:24)
Remix - Wideboys*
8 Snowflake (Wideboys R&G Mix) (2:47)

still trying to ID some tracks:

1) On that classic Marcus Nasty set with Rankin and Quincy, the R&G-ish track with the vocals "Ohhh, I want you oh so close, I wanted you to know, that you are takin' over, over me."

2) A track that samples Jagged Edge singing "rolling down the lonely highway asking God to please forgive me..." with piano and fabulous mechanical percussion,

now jamming: bongo jam

-- The Reverend, Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:35 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

related: lol
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mcconaughey1.html

http://patternloader.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/we-like-it-funky/

Thats building off of recent discussion at Dissensus and this thread, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Anyone care that DJ Bossman has become DJ Perempay, purveyor of high quality Funky house with a minimal influence?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=167597324

He's got some good mixes up on his blog.

Yo Alan I liked your piece a lot but I don't see why funky house abandons "forward" as a principle, at least relative to dubstep (unless you literally mean "FWD>").

Producers like Roska are at least almost as rhythmically inventive as Mala's best work surely? And have had a lot less time in which to prove themselves (compare/contrast the body of amazing grooves in dubstep circa 2002 with funky house circa 2008 and who wins??? Funky house obv)

Yeah, I think the problem with that piece is that there seem to be two currents within the UK scene right now.

One seems to be pushing towards experimentalism and using the same sonic palette as grime, and the other is towards the same kind of sonic conservatism we were talking about in the other thread.

I was reacting against that more than against people like Mentor Roska or Apple (who is beating Shackleton at his own game) or even some of Geeneus' stuff.

And I'm still getting around the fact that I now agree with all those producers who gave up on dubstep, house is more rewarding in the long run.

Just wish Zed Bias would start making this stuff, it would fit perfectly with his broken beat production work.

Its funny Mala has referred to some of his earliest production work as kind of weird skippy broken house. I wonder what he thinks of this scene, or if he's even aware of it.

Apparently he's going to be playing at the Berghain in a couple of weeks, I wonder how a man who appears to be a devout Rastafarian (sweetest guy I've ever met as well) is going to handle the atmosphere in there.

Mala is everything that's right about dubstep.

Musically I mean, I don't even know what he looks like!

i don't "get" this music yet. should i start with supa d's mix on rinse? or is there something free i should check out first? looking at myspace gives me a headache. ..

I liked this DJ Smoovie T set. Thanks Tim.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4mi2zd

Its got a very London bedroom DJ feel to it, plus its got a lot of the scene anthems in there as well.

Dude's just funny.

Yeah I chose Mala as shorthand for "the best/most interesting stuff that dubstep has to offer" - and tracks like "Neverland" and "Forgive" could work in a funky house set.

Alan I think there is that conservative vibe you mention to a lot of funky house but I really don't go for almost any of that stuff - Perempay has underwhelmed me to date for this reason, pretty much.

But I don't think this is a cause for real concern - as we discussed upthread it's a lot like the conservative approach of a lot of speed garage. In the end I think the experimental/grimey end of the scene will become almost irresistible. Perhaps not Apple (who's probably destined to be the Dem 2 of the scene - a revered, pivotal figure, but one that got to the future too soon) but definitely producers like Footloose will (I'm guessing) ultimately be setting the trend in the next twelve months.

The Tuff Jam story is apposite - the central figures on the scene in 1997 (in terms of cross-the-board cred - as distinct from the breakout populism of Julian Jonah/187 Lockdown), they resisted 2-step right through 1998/1999, but by 2000 Matt Lamont was making 2-step tracks and putting out 2-step-dominated DJ mixes.

Vahid the Supa D mix is okay but not mindblowing. If you haven't downloaded any of the marcus nasty sets try this one first:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vo6p13

You're probably right about Footloose, although have you checked out any of Perempay's production work? Some of it is really good, I quite like Hypnotize.

He's a very technically talented DJ, just wish he'd take a few chances here or there.

Here's another take on the scene from RA writer Jacob Burns.

http://sodiumnightlife.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/lets-get-funky/

Woah there's two RA writers called Jacob who like funky house??

Jacob Wright likes it too? Didn't know that.

Jacob Burns is a Scottish writer and musician, very big into dubstep and minimal. Now progressively getting more into funky, I really value his opinion.

It now occurs to my drunk brain that J@cob could possibly be Mr. Wright.

Sorry about that, carry on.

Yep that's me.

I'm not too quick on the uptake sometimes,

So yeah, how about that new Mentor Roska release ?

Up now on Juno

listening to that smoovie t mix ...

i like it, reminds me of that very very short-lived ragga house / soca house moment from 2004-2005

stuff like MAW ft nas:t & denise "work", basement jaxx "missing you" remix, jess & crabbe's various ragga-hip-house hybrids, etc

Here's a slightly newer one of Smoovie's in case anyones interested.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/o6i1qr

04-05 vahid?

Yeah the way that Smoovie actually uses "Work" and "Calabria" in the first mix really rams this home. The "Missing You" remix would fit in perfectly here. I'm really hoping that Basement Jaxx start responding to this (I just don't think their trebly Switch homages are as good as they could be).

There's a couple of ragga-hip-housey new tracks actually. Like that one the Crazi Cousinz play with the sped up R&B vocal ("She says she like's it THAT way/so me give it to her THAT way") for the verse and then Vybz Kartel for the chorus ("More/Raw/Hard to the core"). Or the one that just samples Bounty Killer's "yallow yallow" call.

Interestingly another big recycled hit on the scene is Bugs In The Attic's remix of Amy Winehouse's "In My Bed" - for that slightly shrill broken beat R&B vibe. I guess that was the raviest Bugs ever got.

Thought i'd make the jump over from dissensus for this. Let me start by asking if anyone knows what this is -

http://www.divshare.com/download/4759712-30c

Seriously wonky drums with a huge bassline and just a few hints of piano. Off that crazy couzinz launch party cd, its track 20. MC saying its the DJ naughty remix, but not what of.

Jacob

Hi guys just want to let you know that Fuzzy Logik has finally released the long awaited uk funky Bangerz N Mash E.P !

This has been getting battered by all the pirate stations and clubs everywhere and has been getting huge support from the likes of Supa D, MA1, Pioneer, Footloose ( 1xtra ), Marcus Nasty and many more. This EP also has the massive track, What Goes Around which features on the mix CD, Rinse 03 Mixed By Supa D.

Four uk funky house club favourites, on one E.P. <br><br> Features the tracks <b>"What Goes Around"</b>, <b>"Leader"</b>, <b>"Twiss"</b> and <b>"Funky Roller"</b>. <br><br>Limited Press, Out Now!!!

Available from ukrecordshop.com, Rhythm Division, Uptown Records & UDM.

Thank you!

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(sorry about the last post)

Hi guys just want to let you know that Fuzzy Logik has finally released the long awaited Bangerz N Mash E.P !

This has been getting battered by all the pirate stations and clubs everywhere and has been getting huge support from the likes of Supa D, MA1, Pioneer, Footloose ( 1xtra ), Marcus Nasty and many more.

This EP also has the massive track, What Goes Around which features on the mix CD, Rinse 03 Mixed By Supa D.

Four uk funky house club favourites, on one E.P. Features the tracks What Goes Around, Leader, Twiss and Funky Roller. Limited Press, Out Now!!!

Available from ukrecordshop.com, Rhythm Division, Uptown Records & UDM Now!!!

this guys "rumba" is pretty cool:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50678233

who produced that sirens tune? huge bassline, loads of sirens going off in the background. 3 or 4 tracks in to that latest smoovie t show, just after the remix of florida i think.

oh the sirens thing was produced by hardhouse banton

Thx for the mix links.

Jacob, track 20 of the Bongo Jam Launch Party mix is Crazi Cousinz' remix of P2J & Shaniqua's "Dance Wid Me". But I think you mean track 19, which I'm guessing is DJ Naughty's remix of Crazi Cousinz & Kimona's "I See You", as it has some of the vocals from that tune.

""this guys "rumba" is pretty cool:"

Yeah, I've heard this one around a bit too. Reminds me of Seany B's "Stompa" a bit - grimey latin house! (who would've thought?). The way "Rumba" just gets larger and larger as it goes is ace, all those new sounds coming in while the central motif just chimes away.

TNT's "Take It Low" also massive.

(if it's not clear to those playing at home, the "this guy" Jacob means is TNT)

Cheers for all that Tim! You know I really like how things such as "Rumba" are so organic, or at least have all these organic elements. I guess its to do with them using percussion loops and stuff, but also the sounds are blocky and that clap on the four doesn't strike me as quantised. I got my apple vinyl in the post today and siegaliser is so raw, this stuff is so exciting right now. That smoovie t posted upthread is pretty big. Still hate bongo jam though!

Funky house seems like a misnomer, what I've heard sounds a lot less funky than garage to me. It never seems to have much syncopation.

In fact the "funky house" we're talking about is a lot more syncopated than the kind of house that has been called "funky house" for the last ten years or so.

Given that for the most part garage was not house, making that the reference point for the standard of funkiness in house isn't gonna help.

I was under the impression that the current London funky house scene emerged from garage. I may well be wrong, I only keep half an eye on these developments.

The most recent links on this thread lead to stuff with not much syncopation, though.

In some sense it did chap - but what happened (in very basic, general terms) was that a lot of UK Garage heads abandoned garage as it turned into grime and started listening to US-style funky house instead - where the "funky" really only refers to the bassline.

If there's an equivalent of Todd Edwards in terms of being a US producer who kickstarts a UK reponse, it'd be Dennis Ferrer, whose remix of Fish Go Deep's "The Cure & The Cause" was this new post-garage scene's first and perhaps still biggest anthem.

But what's been happening in the last six months is that productions have been getting rougher, more syncopated and, in some ways, "grimier". But it's an uneven development: not all new tracks are sharing all these qualities simultaneously and evenly.

A tune like "Rhumba" (which I assume is what you mean) uses a very heavy 4X4 kick but the production otherwise has all sorts of references to grime. Be wary of judging from the other tracks on the TNT myspace page, as some of these are bassline productions (a decidedly un-funky post-garage scene based in the north of England).

If you want examples of really syncopated tunes, check out Roska's myspace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=80990671

One thing I find really interesting about Roska's stuff and similar productions is how they can be so fucked up beatwise and still sound like house - often there will still be a 4X4 kick buried underneath the other rhythms, or even if there's not you can still here one in your head. 2-step garage didn't really sound like house at all: admittedly 2-step was also faster than house, but the groove matrix just wasn't compatible.

This stuff doesn't have much to do with 2-step at all though - it's more like a mixture of soca-house, broken beat and grime.

See also the myspace pages for Apple and Footloose.

There's something about the way the beats are built that makes the non 4/4 seem so compatible as well. If you were listening to a traditional house set, a move away from a 4/4 kick would seem like a seismic shift but it doesn't with this new stuff. Also, most kicks seem to be getting lighter. Its partly to make way for the bass I guess but that lends itself to polyrhythms much more easily.

The version of Skepta's "The Rolex Sweep" on the Marcus Nasty set with Shantie and Rankin' is the Fingeprint remix. One of the hardest, most insane funky tracks I've heard: the rhythm is a total mess (in a brilliant way). Nothing to do with house at all!

Mind you Donaeo's "African Warrior" is pretty fucking hard as well. Reminds me a bit of the dub of the Wideboys' "Something's Got Me Started", but harder. Love the clash between the rhythm and Donaeo's strained R&B vocals, though he does some MCing here too (actually more like R Kelly singjay).

Likewise if you listen to Roska's "Climate Change", the only kicks are on the 1 and the 4, which gives it a feeling of a groove that starts and kinda ends in house but goes all over the place in the middle of each bar.

Wow the dub of "African Warrior" is even more menacing. Check the bass!

Fingerprint's Remix of Footloose's Just Leave is pretty aggro as well.

Funny, considering the tune's lyrics advise the rude boys to "just leave" the dance before starting anything.

that Rolex Sweep Remix is amazing. the last Marcus Nasty set has been doing it for me in a big way. so varied, so sick. does anyone have anything approaching a tracklist?

nice one to those bringing the knowledge here already! thanks!

On his 1xtra radio show this week Footloose claims the Rolex Sweep remix had never been played before by anyone and had only just been completed - someone's telling someone porkies.

Benjamin do you mean the set with Rankin and Shanti?

The "sexy UK house" set with just Shanti is fantastic as well.

The first track is TNT's "Take It Low" (I wonder if this is not Skepta on the vocals too - e.g. the "single"/"mingle" couplet).

Still really want to ID the track on there that samples Jagged Edge - "Rolling down the lonely highway/asking God to please forgive me..."

I mean "Take It Low" is the first track on the Shantie/Rankin set.

oh i think it must be a different one, the one i mean opens with that track sampling jagged edge, then rolex sweep comes in third track in.

this one crazy track later on really pushes home how diverse the sound is at the moment, sounds like a soca-inflected expansion on the breakdown from Sugar Daddy, ridiculous vibes. need to get to one of these raves very soon.

also really feeling the Roska stuff. and loads of other ones i don't know the names of. does anyone have a myspace address for Fingerprint?

Maybe we've just got the tracks in different order.

Can't access myspace from this computer, but Fingerprint's definitely got a page, a lot of the other producer's pages link to it. But last time I checked (about a week ago) he didn't have his ruffer tracks up I don't think. "The Print" and "The Print (2008 Remix)" are both very good though.

I'm still not convinced, this is why on my facebook profile it says I like house (not funky). Just doesn't work for me.