Sonic Youth new album "Rather Ripped"

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RR's artwork is fine; ditto for the typesetting. everyone should shut up now.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 31 March 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, my pre-release album thread has turned into a "discuss Sonic Youth's album covers" thread. This seems like a good thing, except that folks are giving short shrift to the Bad Moon Rising cover. For shame! Especially back in 1985, I saw this on a record store wall and immediately knew I had to hear it. That one is still my favorite, but I also like Sister, Daydream Nation, Evol, and Kill Yr Idols. Don't go for the new covers as much. I liked Nurse tho.

Brainwasher started a thread on this after me and it got locked, however that one included the tracklisting which I think we should do now, since we're talking about the cover...

01. Reena
02. Incinerate
03. Do You Believe In Rapture?
04. Sleepin Around
05. What A Waste
06. Jams Run Free
07. Rats
08. Turquoise Boy
09. Lights Out
10. The Neutral
11. Pink Steam
12. Or

And I am also enthused about the "more Lee stuff" rumour. An album of songs like "Skip Tracer" or "The Bridge" would be just peachy by me.

sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 31 March 2006 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

isn't Lee supposed to be releasing a songs album soon-ish as well? about fucking time.

jon dale, Friday, 31 March 2006 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Was just enjoying Lee' song off of Dirty.

Freud Junior (Freud Junior), Friday, 31 March 2006 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link

They should call the new record "Love, Lee". You've still got the alliteration in the album title, but with bonus points for referential substance. Maybe I'll just call it that in private...

nancyboy (nancyboy), Friday, 31 March 2006 06:40 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the "more Lee stuff" rumour? I made a CD-R of all the SY Lee songs, but they don't work as well in that format.

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i just dug this up from the official board:

Recorded at Sear Sound Studio, additonal ovedubs at Murray Street studio, J Mascis Studio, produced by John Agnello

Album inspired by Blue Oyster Cult, Rembrandts, NBC comedy series Freaks and Geeks (last 2 probably a joke, or even blue oyster cult is a joke also )

Kim Gordon - 5 songs,
Thurson Moore- 6 songs,
Lee Ranaldo - 1 song

Jim o'Rourke left the band

Rather ripped has 12 songs + descriptions:

01. Reena (sung by kim gordon)
02. Incinerate (sung by thurston moore, a propulsive song, a song kinda like teenage roit)
03. Do You Believe in Rapture? (sung by thurston moore
04. Sleepin' Around - (sung by thurston moore, previously called sonic mirror)
05. What a Waste - (described by Kim/Thurston's daughter Coco as a rip of from Friends series theme song of Rembrands)
06. Jams Run Free
07. Rats (sung by lee ranaldo, blends a dark bass grove with thick sheets of guitar, whatever that means)
08. Turquoise Boy (sung by kim gordon, a gentle song dirtied up with bursts of noise at its conclusion)
09. Lights Out
10. The Neutral
11. Pink Steam (Sung by thurston)
12. Or (Sung by Thurston)

Quotes:
Lee Ranaldo:
"Some of it seems to be an extension of the last couple of records, but some hearkens forward into territory and also back to earlier, more dissonant and atonal stuff we've done. There's definitely some rocking songs and also some sound piece-y kind of things that are pretty interesting as well."

so maybe the "more lee" rumour is wrong?

toby (tsg20), Friday, 31 March 2006 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the "more Lee stuff" rumour? I made a CD-R of all the SY Lee songs, but they don't work as well in that format.

Out of curiosity, can you post a track list/sequence? I just made a quick Lee Ranaldo vs. Sonic Youth playlist (ordered chronologically) to listen too while reading this thread and I think it plays through pretty nicely:

In The Kingdom #19
Lee Is Free
Trilogy
Wish Fulfilment
Saucer-Like
Skip Tracer
Karen Revisited
Paper Cup Exit

I didn't have a copy of "Mote" off of Goo, or I would have stuck it in after "Trilogy".

nancyboy (nancyboy), Friday, 31 March 2006 11:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You can find it, amongst other things, on this fine thread: Fry yr brain into a big pulp of nothing, nada, attempting to spit on this man's rep: Lee Ranaldo

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Friday, 31 March 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

now that you mention it, there was some sort of talk about a songy lee record, wasn't there

bb (bbrz), Friday, 31 March 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

The beauty of SY is that there's Kim, Thurston, and Lee. Too much of one and they're an average band. It's like a rock s'more.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 31 March 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

first play: i like it, and i expected to. very song-y, surprisingly so in places, especially 'the neutral'.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 31 March 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

why'd you put "Trilogy" on there? that's just 2 Thurston songs and 1 Kim song.

this is a Lee-themed tape I made a couple years ago, roughly based on the running order I posted in the thread linked a few posts back:

side 1:
1. Skip Tracer
2. Eric's Trip
3. Genetic
4. Paper Cup Exit
5. Pipeline/Kill Time
6. Karen Koltrane
7. Karen Revisited (aka Karenology)
8. Lee Is Free

side 2:
1. Mote
2. Hoarfrost
3. Hey Joni
4. Saucer-Like
5. Wish Fulfillment
6. In The Kingdom #19
7. Rain King
8. I Dreamed I Dream
9. NYC Ghosts & Flowers

I'm really happy with how I sequenced it. I might revise it as a double CD soon, and add the song(s?) from the new album, and "Unwind" (which both Lee and Thurston sing on) and "Lee #2" aka "The Notorious Rockin' Lee," the instrumental from the Goo demos that Lee wrote lyrics for and performed live but never recorded w/ vocals, maybe also the "Wish Fulfillment" and "Mote" demos from the recent reissues.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 31 March 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy excitement Batman, look what popped through the post this morning!

So my first impressions after listening to 2/3s of it before work...

It's not particularly noisy!

A very superficial comparison would be that many of the songs sound like the quiet bits of Nurse sped up with Steve Shelley's patented motorik.

Those classic rock influences they've hinted at come to the fore! Soaring melodic guitar parts! Lee Ranaldo sounding a bit like Jim Morrison! Definitely a bit of Television on there, particularly songs like Guiding Light.

There are noise elements to it, but they're not as prominent. It's like they're playing noise in another room and it's leaking into the mix.

Just cos it's quieter don't mean it's generic indie rock - it's SY alright. There's a hazy psychedelic mood throughout and weird, dissonant elements.

I like it! But it'll be interesting to see what the noise dudes make of it...

stew!, Friday, 31 March 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Only one Lee song :(

I hope we get a radio promo soon.

sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

A very superficial comparison would be that many of the songs sound like the quiet bits of Nurse sped up with Steve Shelley's patented motorik.

Those classic rock influences they've hinted at come to the fore! Soaring melodic guitar parts! Lee Ranaldo sounding a bit like Jim Morrison! Definitely a bit of Television on there, particularly songs like Guiding Light.

this all sounds pretty scrumptious

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounds like a descrip of Sonic Nurse! Which is awesome.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

is "what a waste" about danny wilde singing for the rembrandts rather than fronting the quick reunion tour that the world is waiting for?

dan (dan), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Lee actually did record vocals for "Lee #2"--that version is on the 2-disc Goo reissue.

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

05. What a Waste - (described by Kim/Thurston's daughter Coco as a rip of from Friends series theme song of Rembrands)

Sign that woman up as a critic.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

No noise? Looks like they'll be stuck in this middle-aged good-but-kind-of-boring phase until they eventually disband. My wishes for a return of the Bad Moon/Confusion era will never come true.

Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Having just seen them live in NY not too long ago, I can positively confirm that this is not the case.

nancyboy (nancyboy), Saturday, 1 April 2006 09:17 (eighteen years ago) link

My wishes for a return of the Bad Moon/Confusion era will never come true.

Well, isn't the thing that you won't see them go back to any given era? They move onwards. They already did that stuff, man.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Confusion/Bad Moon it ain't, but I wouldn't say the album has *no noise*. Rather than pile the noise on it's more textured. So you've got Turqoise Boy - one of the prettiest song's Kim's done - ruptured by noise towards the end, or elsewhere there are sheets of hazy distortion hovering below the vocals and clean guitars.
When I played the first track Reena to a friend, we both gave each other a knowing look and exclaimed, "Pavement!". Which is a good thing of course. Killer driving indie rock with odd chord changes and a great Kim melody.
Yeah, this is a fine album. Their purple patch continues...

Stew (stew s), Sunday, 2 April 2006 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

This leaked... I'm not downloading it, but I'm sure you guys will want to discuss it so I figured I'd bump the thread...

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Friday, 14 April 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

on first listen I find in better then Sonic Nurse, more of a straight up rock album to me. these songs should sound good at Lollapalooza

J. Lamphere (WatchMeJumpStart), Friday, 14 April 2006 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, "Do You Believe In Rapture" is one of the prettiest songs they've ever done!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 14 April 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, holy shit.

It's like they knew exactly what kind of thing I'd been wanting to hear lately... Springtime is here!

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Friday, 14 April 2006 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

prettiest songs since a thousand leaves

mono tony, Friday, 14 April 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

it's like the rockiest version of "experimental jet set" or the improved version of "psychic hearts"
it's a good thing they returned to the 3:00 minutes per song formula, their best record in years.

bob the rob, Friday, 14 April 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

no where near as good as experimental jet set. parts of it remind me of dirty, but with the clean chiminess of their more recent stuff

mono tony, Friday, 14 April 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG DROOL

mts (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 14 April 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

"stunning return to form"?

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Friday, 14 April 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Suedey's and Maria's thoughts seconded.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 14 April 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

an entire song (turquoise boy) is based on thurston's performance of "church boy, alter basement" on the hurricane floyd cd, from around 98 or so. a few songs (rain on tin, new hampshire, and dripping dream(?)) from the last two albums used melodic bits from it as well, although not as completely

mono tony, Friday, 14 April 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

oh wow, that's sounds awesome. I always noticed the similarity between "Church Boy" and "Rain On Tin" and "New Hampshire" (not so much "Dripping Dream," I'll have to listen for that).

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

It's great, and I like it a whole lot, but I don't think it's better than Murray Street, in terms of late period SY. It's better than Sonic Nurse, but not by a huge margin or anything. It's not a "return to form" by any stretch - it's still more or less the same thing they've been doing since 2002, but without the open ended instrumental parts. It's pretty much another really good Sonic Youth album. It's what they do.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think it sounds like Dirty at all - I'm not sure where people are getting that from. Experimental Jet Set isn't a bad touchstone, since some of these songs seem kinda "Sweet Shine"-ish. The album sometimes has that "rainy summer day" thing going on, which is rather Experimental Jet Set, at least to me.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it exceeds both murray street and nurse. i thought murray street was very boring, aside from having a nice cover. i'm not so sure about dripping dream containing bits from the thurston jam though

mono tony, Friday, 14 April 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

but without the open ended instrumental parts

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strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

re: dirty, track 2 (incinerate) recalls chapel hill right before the hokey gung ho riff enters. very insignificant similarity though

mono tony, Friday, 14 April 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, "Pink Steam" is seven minutes, and the vocals don't kick in until after five minutes. There's that.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Yay.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

its solid. im happy. the end.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

YSI?

strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

it's still more or less the same thing they've been doing since 2002, but without the open ended instrumental parts. It's pretty much another really good Sonic Youth album.

can't see these two statements co-existing, but i'll wait till i hear it. been excited about this album for a while, and the good word has me psyched.

i really have to hear that "church boy" song BTW. i too had always wondered why "rain on tin" and "new hampshire" sounded so similar in spots.

rajeev (rajeev), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, the thing that is holding over from the last two albums is the style of melody and harmony, and the clean guitar tones. The last three albums really sound like they are deliberately writing music for the summer, maybe because that's when they do the most touring.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah there's something comforting about the Coco era of the last few albums, knowing that every 2 years, they're going to release an album in time for a summer tour.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

The Sonic Youth website has a different version of the cover art than the one posted above. I'm not sure how to post the image, but the website is
http://www.sonicyouth.com/main/rippedpop.html

twoheadedboy, Friday, 14 April 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.sonicyouth.com/main/images/rippedweb.jpg

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link


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