People who talk about music but don't own a record player: C/D

hehe

Actually, if "people who don't know music theory who make music with people who do: C/D" were the question, I'd go big up C.

There's digital mastering and then there's digital mastering. Studios these days are using much better digital recording techniques than were available when the CD format was invented. The information often gets dumbed-down when it's mastered for CD. The vinyl, in these cases, could sound better than the CD.

"you'd have to ask someone on ilm who i have sent a tape to if they sound okay though."

They sound great!

In the sense that a record is like a high-quality negative and a CD is, at best, like a non-compressed digital photo---no matter how big the digital photo, if you soom in you eventually see pixels, whereas with a negative you can blow up a print to almost any size?

That makes sense--literal, perfect analogue should half "all" the information. But what record players/hi-fi's/listening rooms can fully take advantage?

That makes sense--literal, perfect analogue should half "all" the information. But what record players/hi-fi's/listening rooms can fully take advantage?

Except that physics limits the amount of information you can extract from a source. LEARN 1 INFORMATION THEORY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Theory

I've sold a lot of my LPs out of necessity, moving around the country and out of it. I keep a core collection of about 200 must-haves, mostly original classics from 1976-1987. I don't have a record player right now, but I do plan to get one eventually.

I know what all that old music sounds like on vinyl, but right now I'm content with MP3s for the sheer convenience.

Do I win?

What about, I don't know, MONEY?

wrong!! i'll even trump miccio's example; i had a faulty luomo mp3 with a bit of the song excised (it was "so you")... it kinda sounded like an abrupt jump-cut & i thought it was totally cool! eventually i got the album and it wasn't there anymore, it was a faulty mp3!!

MUTEK HERE I COME

I can only listen to musicals on vinyl.

I need a new stylus but apparently the kind I need isn't available anymore? Maybe I need a different Radio Shack clerk.

But then again, the less people with record players means less people buying records which means more for me!!!!

www.needledoctor.com you can e-mail them for info.

yeah! that's the spirit.

btw i was buying records well before i started buying cds, which wasn't even until '89 or '90 (cuz i didn't have anything to play them on). i'm certainly not copping a "been there, done that" attitude.

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout.

Also, Dan Perry OTM.

What are you talking about, you TEMPTER you? :(

I've never had that. Sounds like a bad turntable.

To begin with, I can't see spending money on a decent stereo system right now. Until I move into a house (which may never happen), I don't want to start collecting something like vinyl, something more which needs to be lugged around. (I don't move myself, but having lots of stuff is still really painful when you move around a lot, or it is for me anyway.)

Much of what interests me most probably wouldn't be available on cheap vinyl anywhere near me. I'm not buying used vinyl without looking at it first, either. I'm not interested in bargain-hunting. I don't enjoy the process. I used to spend lots of time in used bookstores (and some time in used record stores), but I don't find that a very attractive way to spend time any more. (If anything, going to flea markets seems like it would be even more tedious, but I guess once you know where to go, it's not so bad.

In my first band, when I was 17, the guitarist couldn't afford an electronic tuner for his guitar, and we couldn't either. He tuned to the E at the start of the Who's I Can See for Miles. Then we all tuned to him (I played bass). Well, after we got a little more sophisticated and got tuners, we realized that we had been tuning half a step up because his turntable was slightly fast. Everyone thought we were all experimental and shit, but we were just morons and victims of turntable variability.

I grew up with a fucking record player, and I've only not had one for maybe 8 years of my life. As it so happens, I'm getting one again (my late grandfather's, along with his hi-fi system), and I'm happy that I am, but I don't see that I enjoyed music any less or was any less able to discuss it when I didn't.

Honestly, during that time I couldn't have afforded something that would have brought out any of the sonic advantages of a record anyhow, and the one time I did experiment with a cheap turntable and speaker set I was so disgusted by the sound that I never used it again. Unless you have fairly good equipment, CDs are going to sound considerably better than records.

As a side note, I hate it when this sort of arbitrary stupidity is called "snobbery" -- it implies that the person being targeted actually does have some kind of superior knowledge or values.

I'm hesiatant to call myself stupid, as I would be, but you're right otherwise. I have no superior anything.

Also, oh shit this record is good. Just bought it. Robert Fripp - Network. It's kind of a single. Four songs. One has Daryl Hall (don't laugh), one has Peter Gabriel (doing a version of "Here Comes The Flood" that I've never heard), and one has David Byrne ("I am am resplendent in divengence"). Never would have found these songs on CD, bra. Not even if they'd been released there.

Vinyl!