Is this the Juno thread?

It's just the choice Ruth makes at the end has nothing to do with whether or not to have her baby.

If you like the music in Juno, Morbs, you should double-time it to a screening of Once.

i think the movie pretty clearly doesnt think it's a good idea for ruth to have the baby, they just sidestep it by having her miscarry

"like any Dem pols are breaking their backs to make it rare"

You are kidding, right? You don't think that trying to provide adequate family planning/birth control isn't trying to make it rare?

and while the pro-choice wiccan lesbians are pretty goofy they arent as outright repugnant as the pro-lifers

depends how you feel about wiccan lesbos.

i dunno obviously youre getting close to bullshit south park style 'fair-minded' satire with that but if the pro-choicers were more saintly it wouldve been dismissable propaganda

"Any crit of Planned Parenthood is heresy, of course."

I don't think that the movie's view of Planned Parenthood or the single pro-life girl is really intelligent enough to be called a crit anyway, but my experience with pro-lifers who stand outside of clinics is that they ARE wingbats while most people I've known who worked at those clinics were pretty normal so yeah I'd say it was a pretty lame "equal opportunity criticism" or whatever.

xp: I do, Alex, and Dems, in the main, aren't doing enough for it.

Eric, given yr musical predilections I don't expect you to distinguish the Moldy Peaches from The Frames.

(however, I'm wary of Juno bcz I could easily be turned off by the Moldys' music being used as a crutch)

Apparently Ellen Page is behind the quantity of MPs on the soundtrack:

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/47444-the-moldy-peaches-reunite-for-ijunoi-premiere

Notice me not taking the bait, Morbs?

"xp: I do, Alex, and Dems, in the main, aren't doing enough for it."

At what level? Nationally? State? Locally?

yes, perhaps, sure

I know you're better than that, E.

maybe ppl who actually have had to deal with abortion clinics should stick to discussing this and leave the opinions of bitchy old maid paultard queens out of it

Oh haha OK Kimya Dawson is in the Moldy Peaches.

Ouch.

"Enough" is tough standard. I certainly agree they could do more probably at all three levels. But no doubt in my mind that Dems at all levels are trying a lot harder than Republicans to make it "rare".

maybe you should give me yr address, ethan, so you can see how bitchy I can get.

maybe you should give me yr address, ethan, so you can see how bitchy I can get.

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Scared? Kind of excited, too? All mixed up?

If memory serves, one of the songs has a lyric that went a little something like this: "I am the church and you are my steeple / We sure are cute for two ugly people."

yeah! delightful!

Eric, I think (OK, have the slimmest of hopes) you'd like "Steak for Chicken."

I think I'll take "who's that eating that nasty food."

Are there guitars involved?

I saw this with last week. I really liked it, but apparently because I didn't think it was the greatest film of the year, I've been getting flack from people. I mean, it was entertaining and funny.

Is this really the best movie of 2007, tho?

(I've been getting the same reaction to ONCE. I kinda liked ONCE, but people are horrified that I haven't already bought the DVD.)

Wait -- you know people who own Once?

Is there a Once thread? The arguments there should be "fun." (except I'm not sure if anyone besides Mordechai has been kind to it here)

How did you get past the guitars on Prince records, E?

Why is that so hard to believe, Alfred? I know at least two people (including one who posts here) who called it their favorite film of the year.

The Belated Thread for Once

i thought it was pretty pro-life, really. it's also incredibly obnoxious, unfunny, and formulaic.

Well, yeah. The abortion clinic scene was really horrid. But I laughed at things at least a few times. I thought Rainn Wilson was funny. And - erm - yeah.

actually, probably all of my favorite movies are formulaic so that's not neccessarily a criticism. but if you're going to make a gigantic song and dance about how iconoclastic the characters are, fill the script with badly-handled "indie" signifiers, and change your name to d1ablo cody, then it might be a problem.

How did you get past the guitars on Prince records, E?

Um, they ejaculate instead of dribble a limp stream of tears?

Hell, I even like Juno more than Once, and that probably includes the music too.

is d1ablo cody any relation to turn3r cody? the moldy peaches thing would at least make sense then

It's a pseudonym.

I like that one Once song. "Falling Slowly"

I can't remember any of the others.

I found Once pretty horrifying, lots worse than Juno, but these thoughts don't belong here.

ALSO:

Shadowcat PWNs Juno.

I thought Rainn Wilson was funny

that was by far the worst scene, every other word was some ridiculous bullshit like "homeskillet"

the first half of this was super anoying .... got a little better later I thought

the scene with the ultrasound technician is pretty terrible, too.

god forbid anyone criticize teenage pregnancy!

I haven't been in the suburbs since I moved out of my parent's home, but the "homeskillet" dialogue seemed true to a bunch of middle class white kids who thought they were linguistically cutting edge. But probably someone would know better than me.

The film wasn't criticizing teenage pregnancy. If anything, it was glorifying it. It was criticizing abortion.

the scene with the ultrasound technician is pretty terrible, too.

A total failure. Janney did the best with those curdled wisecracks, but I ended up sympathizing with the technician.

oh, sorry lauren. I didn't put your two comments together.

But yeah, fuck the technician for being relieved that the baby was going to be adopted.

by the end of that scene, i was hoping that the technician would punch her in the stomach.

"See? You can have an abortion after all!"

Also, I didn't get where Michael Cera was the entire film. He was the father, and he had about 10 minutes on screen. I understand that these kids weren't going to be the parents, but you'd think there'd be SOME fallout.

juno's character was so unsympathetic. she reminded me of this girl i hated in high school.

dmr OTM, and i can't believe an ad i saw on tv recently uses "honest to blog!" as a potential selling point for this movie

also, kimya dawson = NO NO A THOUSAND TIMES NO