I HATE APPLE

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I'm sure if he buys a slightly less dysfunctional PC that he'll be back - whenever it starts to fuck up - to curse Apple for forcing him into buying a PC!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

as I said, the mac guy should display symptoms of ebola, and the pc should suffer severe complications from a congenital connective tissue disorder. but there's absolutely no killer app left for me on OS X and it's not as if build quality is an issue any longer either.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

WARNING: Wizard Jon Loves the Blinky Fucking Red Text!!!!

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 04:39 (seventeen years ago) link

you guys i "found it"

http://cogosx.sourceforge.net/

gapless playback, does .flacs

basically this is what i've been looking for for years - a replacement for SoundApp

i have gotten excited about music all over again. i have spent the last hour cleaning out my old music folder, creating Smart Folders in the finder to duplicate the smart playlists i used to have and g*ddamn it it's DONE. even the "use the search box to immediately filter library" functionality is there - cause i use the finder for all that crap. let the finder be the finder, let cog be cog

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link

i know, admittedly it's not the sexiest name, but it is SIMPLE and ELEGANT and not halfassed; it's all the things iTunes is not

i would like the ability to edit ID3 info on the fly (but iTunes doesn't do that either)

new versions apparently offer suspiciously spruced-up appearance. i hope they don't ruin it.

for those who want even more of a stripped down experience, i have also found this, which, while not exactly an iTunes replacement, is far preferable than firing up a whole Store System/Library Manager in order to hear some track you are 75% sure you're going to delete anyway; it's very nice and doesn't even open an app icon in the dock - it just plays what's opened with it and quits as soon as that thing's done - "taply" - http://www.bluem.net/downloads/taply-en/

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 08:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Do it make the iPod go wheeeee?

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i What?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

why not just preview the track in the finder window?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

instead of using Taply, you mean? yeah, could do. i hate column view though.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

finder blows so hard

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah. i'd rather have one place and way to look for things (spotlight/smart folders/finder) though than a slightly different fiddly ways in each app, each of which may or may not be doing things to my actual files. so i put up with the finder because it just feels better to me to be dealing with actual files. you wouldn't BELIEVE the gunk i found in my music folder after doing my cull.. i feel like i've just done Master Cleanse or something. five identical versions of "my boy lollipop"! maybe i just use iTunes "wrong" - i.e. when i load up a song in it that i don't like, i Cmd-delete it, and it says - sometimes - that it's going to move it to the trash. but does it? does it fuck. this way, i just filter my music folder by keyword, drag - or select and double-click - and it's added to my stack in cog. if i want to save that, i can either get that playlist just how i want it and then save it - or i can just save my filtered music folder as another smart folder. i doubt i'll get that into it though. for now, i've only made one smart folder: it shows me all music that i've downloaded in the last week. i have even dipped a toe into the automator fannydangle by setting up an action that, with one click, renames everything in that smart folder according to its ID3 tags. next step is to see if i can get that action triggered the moment anything is added to the smart folder. why - no reason, really, i just like my filenames to all be consistent. and if i want to get all arsey about ranking my songs or something i can just assign labels and make smart folders for those.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha u know when computer types start using the words "just" and "simply" they have drank the kool-ade

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder how much disgusting unnecessary overlap there is between the indices built by iTunes/iPhoto and SpotLight.

If and when I finally get to take home a healthy iMac I am stoked to try out this Cog thingamabob.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh and BTW everybody should also read Jay Beale's slides from DEFCON 14.
http://www.bastille-linux.org/jay/

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha u know when computer types start using the words "just" and "simply" they have drank the kool-ade

is that me you're talkign about?!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

no me!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i am always talking about me.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm paying for Mail, I can bitch about it. In fact, if you put together all the bundled "iLife" etc. bullshit that came with my computer that I'll never use, I have a lot to bitch about, not the least of which is Dashboard, which is a resource hog that does absolutely nothing.

1) Back up ALL your personal data: emails, mp3s, mpgs, the whole lot.
2) Wipe your Mac hard drive and do a clean install. Choose the "Customize" option and deselect the iLife programs (along with the 5 million printer drivers). Keep iTunes, though, you'll likely want it.
3) When your machine reboots & you've set your accounts back up, remove Dashboard from your dock.
4) Search for a folder called "Widgets". Delete its contents.
5) Ta-da! No more iLife, no more Dashboard.
6) QUIT BLOODY WHINGING.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I was using 10.3.9 until yesterday. Then I thought what the hell and installed a copy of Tiger. At first, my (700Mhz, 512MB) G4 seemed a bit snappier than before. Then I ran the combo update to 10.4.7 and I'm getting spinning beach balls a-plenty. Much worse than when I was with Panther. I'm thinking of going back to that.

Can the 10.4.7 update really have fucked things up that badly or was I just lucky in the hour or so that I was on 10.4.0?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

And why the fuck is Safari using 130MB of RAM when the only page I have open is this poxy one?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

so LAST TIME it was the logic board AND the RAM and THIS TIME it was just the RAM, that they weren't able to figure out last time because the whole mobo was acting up.

MAYBE IT WORKS NOW?!?! WE WILL SEE

xpost 6) There was a time in Mac days when that process was intuitive and the Finder was my primary tool for accomplishing those steps, instead of going and BLOODY WHINGING to unix sysadmins.

7) The Jay Beale slides from DEFCON deal with only one pane of System Preferences, but excellently illustrate the duplicitous wackness, shit defaults and general-purpose user-handicapping that goes on all over OS X.

8) SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PAY ATTENTION to what I'm saying about my valid problems with this OS and quit acting like you get a paycheck from Jesus Jobs for standing up for his false adverts and lazy, bad MSFT-style design decisions.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

so LAST TIME it was the logic board AND the RAM and THIS TIME it was just the RAM, that they weren't able to figure out last time because the whole mobo was acting up.

MAYBE IT WORKS NOW?!?! WE WILL SEE

xpost 6) There was a time in Mac days when that process was intuitive and the Finder was my primary tool for accomplishing those steps, instead of going and BLOODY WHINGING to unix sysadmins.

7) The Jay Beale slides from DEFCON deal with only one pane of System Preferences, but excellently illustrate the duplicitous wackness, shit defaults and general-purpose user-handicapping that goes on all over OS X.

8) SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PAY ATTENTION to what I'm saying about my valid problems with this OS and quit acting like you get a paycheck from Jesus Jobs for standing up for his false adverts and lazy, bad MSFT-style design decisions.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

haha well I guess the html checker is broken, that bold tag wasn't closed and I tried to get rid of it, whoops.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

For the record, Tombot, I USE BOTH MAC AND WINDOWS. ALL. THE. FUCKING. TIME. I am the absolute FIRST person to shut down ANY platform zealotry that happens around me. I don't have time for that shit.

DO NOT tell me to shut the fuck up and pay attention. I've been following this thread since day one - I was the one with the busted Shuffle, remember? The one that they ultimately replaced???

Believe it or not, I was TRYING to help you, but you're obviously too wrapped up in the bullshit conspiracy theory that Apple has gone out of its way to inconvenience YOU AND YOU PERSONALLY.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

(dude that's totally what Apple is doing)

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

It's an i-spiracy!

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

(also I don't know if "QUIT BLOODY WHINGING" goes down a treat with other people when you are helping them but it seems kind of obvious to me that it's a surefire way to get Tom to type a million variations of "EAT MY ENTIRE SMELLY ASS WITH CHOPSTICKS" in humorous caps)

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Exactly. And he spelled whining wrong too.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

(I mean, I'm just saying; I think the whole thing is kind of funny)

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Exactly. And he spelled whining wrong too.

Nope. I said "whinging", not "whining".

http://infosecuritymag.techtarget.com/2003/jan/curmudgeon.shtml

(also I don't know if "QUIT BLOODY WHINGING" goes down a treat with other people when you are helping them but it seems kind of obvious to me that it's a surefire way to get Tom to type a million variations of "EAT MY ENTIRE SMELLY ASS WITH CHOPSTICKS" in humorous caps)


What can I say? I'm more than a little burnt out after 6 years of DAW-related Apple support, and I jumped at the chance to say something that my old job essentially forbade me to do.

My point is that while I can totally sympathize with Tombot's hardware issues, it strikes me as utterly petty & churlish to bitch about Dashboard and iLife when it's easy enough to get rid of both of 'em. They strike me as the absolute least of Tombot's worries, or they oughta be.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

dude, wiping your entire hard drive to get rid of a couple programs isn't really the easiest thing in the world.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link


xpost
Right, thanks for all that. But you still spelled the word wrong.

It's W-H-I-N-I-N-G.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

it strikes me as utterly petty & churlish to bitch about Dashboard and iLife when it's easy enough to get rid of both of 'em.
That's not the point, though. The issue is that Apple gives us flare (Dashboard mostly, I suppose there are people who use iLife) rather than fixing things that screw up.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, "whining" is spelled w-h-i-n-i-n-g.

However, "whinging" is spelled w-h-i-N-G-i-n-g, as in "Wow, Mr. Que sure is doing an awful lot of whinging about the correct spelling of the word "whining".

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, it's the same word just spelled differently. As y'all are wont to do.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

dude, wiping your entire hard drive to get rid of a couple programs isn't really the easiest thing in the world.
-- s1ocki (slytus...), Today 3:14 PM. (later)

Granted, that's more of a worst-case scenario, like "Well, if you're THAT desperate..."
Dashboard is simple enough to delete - just drag the icon out of your dock, and trash any existing widgets on your Mac HD - without reformatting anything. I'm guessing one could simply delete the iApps (along with their preferences), but I'd be worried about not getting rid of them completely.

The issue is that Apple gives us flare (Dashboard mostly, I suppose there are people who use iLife) rather than fixing things that screw up.

I know plenty of people who use iLife. Personally, I would have jumped for joy had something like Garageband existed a decade ago (and by that, I mean a COMPLETELY self-contained, entry-level MIDI & audio sequencer that needs only the simplest of external peripherals to work).

And I agree with you about Dashboard - I think it's a useless distraction. Trust me, you don't have to tell me about "flare". I was an OS 9 holdout until last year!!! My first reaction to OS X was "that's too... pretty". But the interface grew on me over time, and what ultimately won me over was its multi-tasking abililties, and this is what gets me when people rant about OS X: Does anyone really miss not being able to have more than two apps open at the same time, or having to remember which user set of extensions was active? I certainly don't.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Who will help me with my lovely Tiger query? What exactly is the point of Tiger? Is it generally thought to slow down machines of my spec? I only installed it so that I could use Google Earth and then I found out Google had released a version that works on 10.3 anyway.

(btw. I don't get Mr Que's whinge/whine thing. They are different words. Dogs don't whinge, for example. Am I missing some joke?)


Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone really miss not being able to have more than two apps open at the same time

Wha'? I (have to) use OS 9 at work and usually have about five apps open at once. Not that I'm sticking up for OS 9. It's rubbish.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i use itunes and iphoto. garageband very occasionally if i need incidental music for a video fast. imovie very very occasionally cuz some of its effects are easier & faster than after effects.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

idvd i don't get near. it sucks.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

(also if there's a good iphoto alternative i'm all into hearing about it)

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Alba, I'm running a Quicksilver G4 which has been hot-rodded to be 1.42 Ghz (thank you, Sonnet Technologies), with 1.5 RAM (Logic Pro and Pro Tools are RAM hogs). I'm running Tiger 10.4.6, which does indeed seem a little zippier than Panther. It might be worth rolling back to 10.4.6 (a pain in the bum, I realize) - I purposely haven't upgraded to 10.4.7 because some of my fellow audio nerds told me they were experiencing weirdness.

My experiences with OS 9 were primarily music-related, and I found that if I was running Logic Audio and Pro Tools LE, then even booting a relatively "small" app like Roxio Toast was just asking for a freezeup. Pretty much everyone I knew who made music with OS 9 had similar problems.

As far as the whole whinging vs. whining thing goes, they are clearly different words to me, too. Don't know what Mr. Que was driving at there.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I use just about everything in iLife. iMovie when I just want to capture some video and don't want to bother with FinalCut.

Hell, I even use Pages when I have a Word file to convert. Otherwise, it's BBEdit for writing or InDesign when I need to process words.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

*running Logic Audio and OR Pro Tools LE*

Oops.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the best way to roll back to 10.4.6? Do I have to reinstall Tiger and then find the combo upgrade to 10.4.6 somewhere?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Sadly, yes, although the 10.4.6 Combo Upgrade is still on the Apple site:

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1046comboforppc.html

A "rollback" option would be sweet, wouldn't it?

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

"flair"

alba, tiger has "spotlight" which is still a little too slow but is cool cos it indexes like everything on your hard drive including mail, address book, the contents of word docs, etc - i like it a lot

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I guess there is that. I haven't used it much so far. I used to use the Search thing on previous OS X versions that did the same thing but not as well (and if I needed to search Mail I used Mail's search). I don't often need to search for things on my HD. I guess if I rely on Spotlight then I might start using my computer differently and use it more. Dunno.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

"flair"

God damn it, you're right.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

A "rollback" option would be sweet, wouldn't it?

can "time machine" do that??

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link


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