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sonically it's run-of-the-mill jangly guitars

have you heard it thru cans? it sounds a bit flat on tv, but there's a lot more going on with the production than that.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM - headphones are key!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 17 November 2005 10:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i've only heard it through headphones so far

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 November 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno where you get this 'jangly guitars' idea from then.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

because there are lots of them, and they are busy, and are played out of sync with everything else in the song?

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 November 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know what ur talking about!

it's not exactly 'mr tambourine man'.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i have not heard 'mr tambourine man'.

the mp3, i admit, does not appear to be the best possible quality. but it is the same one which was posted at the start of the thread!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 November 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

a nice riff on the first Plus-Tech Squeeze Box album

That, and the more I think about it, the more I suspect Brian read Andy Shortwave Set's interview with Jerry T' Nipper and read it's major points very closely indeed. This is all in relation to the suprising fact that I like this, of course.

BARMS, Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i have not heard 'mr tambourine man'

This is John Wayne all over again, isn't it.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm beginning to think Guitars are to The Lex as Chives were to Les

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/8115/thumbnail/LesChives.jpg

Slooshy sloshy slooshy sloshy (fandango), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Andy Shortwave Set's interview with Jerry T' Nipper

and where may i read this doubtless fascinating piece of work?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I really like the guitars in "Biology" (though there's not actually an awful lot of them - less than in "Long Hot Summer" and certainly less than "Love Machine"). It doesn't make me think of Franz Ferdinand, but the opening bit definitely seems like a cheeky nod to White Stripes/other bluesy garage rock bands.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 17 November 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I get the Franz Ferdinand vibe too. Specifically the bluesy part of 'Biology' reminds me of the second part of 'Take Me Out'. And of course the fact that they're both 2 (or more songs) glued together.

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 17 November 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

and where may i read this doubtless fascinating piece of work?

-- CharlieNo4 (starsandheroe...)

Trying the Shortwavies' own ILX thread would be a good start!

Anyone else tried listening to this and Sugababes' 'Ace Reject' back to back?

Who the hell do you THINK I am? I'm the goddamn Batman! (Barima), Thursday, 17 November 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

did Les mind women with chives?

jive session (elwisty), Friday, 18 November 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

The opening is a really obvious nod to White Stripes, even Nadine's singing sounds like made on purpose...

i0dine@gmx.net, Friday, 18 November 2005 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone else tried listening to this and Sugababes' 'Ace Reject' back to back?

No, why?

daavid (daavid), Friday, 18 November 2005 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

It just seems natural as they're both signature Xeno breezy poppets. Tho' 'Red Dress' far and away remains the best thing they've done since 'Love Machine'.

Incidentally, if I'm comparing 'Biology' to any Japanese pop song, it should definitely be Kahimi Karie's 'Le Roi Soleil' (produced by Cornelius and written by Momus, obv.), which it is actually very similar to in execution and basic elements (blues piano excepted).

BARMS, Friday, 18 November 2005 08:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I alone hearing Jean Genie more than anything else ?

snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 18 November 2005 09:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Up to #5 in teh midweeks, and not actually that many behind 3 and 4.

MC Stylised Vadge (edwardo), Friday, 18 November 2005 09:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, try listening to "Ace Reject" and "Here We Go" back to back. The intros to my ears are quite similar.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Friday, 18 November 2005 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"The intro, to my ears, are quite similar." Also, I eat shoots and leaves.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Friday, 18 November 2005 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

haha.

i listened to this again and the sound which irritated me wasn't a jangly guitar, it was the really awful drums which go at a completely different tempo to the rest of the song which i just heard as acoustic guitars because the mp3 is so shoddy.

there is still nothing about the arrangement which is right, apart from the piano which is buried anyway.

it sounds like a chaz church demo.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"the mp3 is so shoddy"

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the other thing about 'Le Roi Soleil' and 'Biology' is that they may both secretly be Sparks songs (that Sparks didn't write, of course).

BARMS, Friday, 18 November 2005 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

the mp3 isn't that shoddy, and it's the one posted at the start of this thread which seemed to bowl everyone else over, but it's...tinny.

barima, do you like 'bruised'? that is my favourite new sugababes song (you are right about the greatness of 'red dress' though)

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

if u heard drums as guitars, anything is possible!

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

they're annoying brushed drums. they don't sound like drums.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

barima, do you like 'bruised'? that is my favourite new sugababes song.

It's very good ("In the war with you!"), but you know how much I heart Mutya and the other two anyway (watched 'em on Frank Skinner last night and decided I could also be persuaded to switch to the Keisha side some day). I revived the Taller thread just to reiterate how much I love the album - I've given every song the highest rating on iTunes, just as I have for One Touch.

My 'Biology' mp3 isn't hi-quality either, but I feel it's nice to give a damn about GA once in a while - I have enough stress on without venting it at pop singers. I think, Alex et al, that you should find that Kahimi Karie song, not least 'cause I think it's yet another example of Higgins' secret Cornelius fandom we're seeing here.

BARMS, Friday, 18 November 2005 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

but i never liked cornelius :(

i think the only misstep on the sugababes album is the cover of 'obsession', oh and i can't remember anything about 'better'.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 18 November 2005 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"Better": Oooh ooh ooh oooh oooh! It's ace.

I think the one misstep on Taller is actually "It Ain't Easy," which I find rather annoying.

(Thread derailment alert!)

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Friday, 18 November 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

b-b-b-but PERSONAL JESUS RIP-OFF!

"it ain't easy being my own personal jesus" => sugababes as ego-driven monsters of highest order (esp mutya) => awesome.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 18 November 2005 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

*whispers*

Yes, but I don't especially like "Personal Jesus" either -- the tune is really very monotonous when you get down to it.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Friday, 18 November 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

but i never liked cornelius :(

But he doesn't even sing on it. You'd probably like his less indie-based mid 90s pop more than what you've heard - actually, what have you heard?

BARMS, Friday, 18 November 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"there is still nothing about the arrangement which is right"

Their arrangements are always a right mess! How does this usually go unmentioned? Meh. I do know better than to post on these threads really, I suppose I just want to make it clear that when the backlash finally comes, I always thought they were mostly rubbish.

Hopefully Nadine's solo career (will it ever arrive?) will make the dreary Rachbot Stevens redundant though.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 18 November 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

nadine is the least essential girl aloud! she is the 'singer' ie the mel c. cheryl, on the other hand, is iconic.

yeah, some of their arrangements have been messy before; it's when they're sleek and shiny that they're best ('the show', 'graffiti my soul') because it magnifies the girls' brash karaoke piss-up voices.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 18 November 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Nadine's awful. Alex, where's my reply?

BARMS, Friday, 18 November 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh come on! Even my MUM notices how bad the others look next to her. The others look more moronic than iconic, especially the boz-eyed ginger one!

Perhaps this is the repressed FHM male in me but I'd just really like to see a genuinely flaming HOT pop star coming from the UK for a change. Sure Nadine airbrushes well, but she's also got something ballsy about her? Is that just me? She doesn't come across icky-feminine-wiles-user (Britney, Jessica, the list is endless) nor is she happily cold & cruel seeming (Rachel... I'm sure there are more examples). Gah. Maybe I should write her a song :)

the girls' brash karaoke piss-up voices Truly they are the heirs to the Spice crown! Aww... I'm such a sour piss about this aren't I? Okay, maybe I just don't get it/enjoy it/not my thing :( I'll stop whining if I can. I just find them so bafflingly hard to really like.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 18 November 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

BARMS reply makes me wonder if I've even got the right name here....

fandango (fandango), Friday, 18 November 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I think nadine is the best

RJG (RJG), Friday, 18 November 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

fanfango is wrong about everything.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 18 November 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

fair enough :)

fandango (fandango), Friday, 18 November 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Girls Aloud are not hot.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

C'mon, fangs, Nadine's got the range of a water droplet.

BARMS, Friday, 18 November 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

you like rachel stevens

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to disprove that statement badly... but Googling turns up ridiculous, twisted out of reality photoshots like this :(
http://www.propaganda.co.uk/i-news/v/ga-nadine.jpg
(and she's the one I DO fancy... I have to look twice to be certain if it's even her in that one!)

I maybe haven't paid close enough attention to her voice, if it's even possible (can't think now if I've seen them not miming or not...) well, she gives off the illusion of being the best anyway. I must have got this idea from somewhere.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

you like rachel stevens

Yes. Well spotted.

Rachel's voice is a tool, or a component to be utilised for gain or even just to have its own limitations sidestepped within her songs.. Nadine's is more like a weapon - it's alternatively bludgeoning and sharp and does absolutely nothing for me.

BARMS, Friday, 18 November 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

each to their own

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

everything barima has said. esp the bit about it being a lost sparks song :-)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I just want to make it clear that when the backlash finally comes, I always thought they were mostly rubbish.

There won't be any backlash, only more appreciation.

daavid (daavid), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link


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