Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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dean! (deangulberry), Thursday, 26 February 2004 22:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Although the marriage/triangle now makes a lot more sense because I've noticed that corny indie fuxxx are prone to a lot more relationship melodrama and angst than other people.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 26 February 2004 22:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I once drew a parody of Genius Lessons and sent it in, I came home from school one day to a call from someone at Spin who wanted to publish it, but I got home too late to return the call. My brush with infamy.

I hated Genius Lessons, btw

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Thursday, 26 February 2004 23:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I always thought "Genius Lessons" was shit -- and then I discovered that Sean Landers actually has somewhat of a reputation in the art world, which didn't make me like the column necessarily but sorta made me admire him. I mean, here's a guy who can rest on the laurels of exhibiting at the Whitney, but he's chosen to subject himself to hate mail from 14-year-olds in Omaha.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Vines are now on the cover. And they gave Courtney an A-. Circle down that drain quickly, Spin.

Sym (shmuel), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the Courtney record is actually good, though that review didn't make me think it would be AT ALL

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I don't think Spin is down the drain, just going through a.... ... cycle!

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Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I would so read a thread that consisted of nothing but Sterling and Alex doing that.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

SPIN was a godsend for me in high school

Me too. I think I kind of loved to hate it more than anything, at first I was intimidated 'cause it was all snotty and hip, and then when I got most of the references I was busy sneering back at them, but I kept reading it anyway. Wish I had a copy of the parody Sia Michel article written for our college radio zine, but then, only a college radio staffer would think it was clever or funny.

My favorite SPIN moment, besides the awesome cover story on Hole right when Live Through This came out, is a letters to the editor section from 93 (just found the excerpts I'd stuck on a tape case)..

On Juliana Hatfield:
"Is it because her mother is the fashion editor of the Boston Globe that we must be subjected to endless drivel about her angst-ridden and privileged upbringing? As far as her music goes - "high priestess of mind fuck"? You've got to be kidding! She wears her suburban hang-ups on her sleeve like some kind of corporate logo."

On a Breeders piece by Charles Aaron:
".. anyone who read this snot-nosed, self-obsessed band profile knew it could only have been directed at him. The real icing on the cake comes when Aaron describes the Breeders as 'acting out some postpunk version of a 40s George Cukor bitchfest" starring Katharine Hepburn, Tallulah Bankhead, and Spencer Tracy. Attention SPIN editors: Nobody in your audience got that reference."

daria g (daria g), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

If not for Byron Coley's column in Spin, I would never have heard of Borbetomagus. For that alone, the magazine's existence is justified. But man, does that fuckstick from the Vines need a crowbar to the teeth.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 27 February 2004 14:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

used to subscribe in the early 90s in late high school... relied on it heavily at that point. "pavement? cool, i'll have to check that out."

i think i became too cool for the magazine once i got into college. i never really came back to it once i got over hipsteritus, but it still remains a reason to go to the magazine rack at any bookstore. i usually flip through, see who is getting reviewed, in the top 20, or in the next 50 hot bands lists. if you're in spin, you've sort of made it in a way. (and that could be a good or bad thing depending on your perspective...) it's a handy way to gauge where a band is.

perhaps for that reason alone, i hope it doesn't go away.

msp, Friday, 27 February 2004 14:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, Byron turned me on to so much stuff it isn't even funny. it would be a long-ass list. he made me buy jandek records in the 80's. he even made me buy a rat at rat r record. and scratch acid i think. lots of stuff.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 February 2004 14:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The only two things I definitely bought because of his writing were Borbeto's Live In Allentown cassette (still have it!) and Dredd Foole & The Din's Take Off Your Skin (which really needs a CD reissue—it's still one of the most ass-whomping underground rock albums I've ever heard).

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 27 February 2004 15:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

byron coley and chuck eddy were the two people writing for spin whose tastes most resembled mine at the time.and they were the two people i most enjoyed reading.and, in fact, i still enjoy reading them almost 20 years later.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 February 2004 15:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

all who love michael o'donoghue's writing *must* check out the amazing Mr Mike biog...

stevie (stevie), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
so anyone see the new spin? if it didn't come delivered into my mailbox i would've thought it a really spot-on spin parody -- nirvana on the cover, a reissue of weezer's blue album the lede review, a dave eggers column on kings of leon, and a big death cab for cutie feature. wtf??? there is absolutely no direction there right now.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 14:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Cripes, how many times are they going to put that cadaver on the cover?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

remember, there will be media overexposure due to next months...10 years on

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dave Eggers and Kings Of Leon...hee hee heeeeee

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haha "reissue"

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(it will be a blissful release)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

With all the great music happening right now, the geniuses at SPIN pick something that was over ten years ago. The sad thing is that the editorial content of the article was just as stale--oh, but yes, we did get some of that coveted Strokes quotage. Does anyone at the home office venture outside the Bowery or Brooklyn, other than Klosterman?

So yes, SPIN is most certainly circling the drain.

don weiner, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 19:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Next month's cover: Pia Zadora

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 19:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Funny you should mention her, as they once featured Joey Ramone interviewing Pia Zadora back when the magazine was still sort've fresh and irreverant. I also remember Lydia Lunch interviewing Pat Benatar...which was most amusing.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rolling Stone just had an interesting profile on Bob Guccione Sr. (fulfilled the sleaze quotient for the issue w/ Affleck on the cover.) Apprently he and Jr. had a falling out b/c Sr. wanted to put Pia Zadora on the cover as a favor to a friend and Jr. refused. Sr. stopped supporting Spin and they haven't spoken since.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

fyi, SW will not be covering KC 10th anniv.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Can you do a cover story on Paul Revere & The Raiders instead. They are my favorite Seattle grunge-rockers.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
sold for $5M?

Holyshit, they really WERE circling the drain

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Andy Pemberton new EIC?!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

SPIN was a hero to most
But it never meant shit...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the pemberton move is such a strange one. now we will have three blenders!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Whoo--is Andy Pemberton? I liked Keith Harris's review of Rehearsing My Choir. That's like the Spin I remember!

Rip Van Winkle, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Your loss, then.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i have really fond memories of spin in the early 90s. "sorry"

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also just saw that Chuck Klosterman is jumping ship ... kind of amazing he was still there, all things considered.

Chris O., Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

five million before factoring in subscriber liability: the cash price was probably closer to one (or zero) millon.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hell, we all should have bought it. ILM THE MAGAZINE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Letters (From Random Googlers) to the Editor

"Dear ILM,

"Ur criticism of 3 Dors Down was complete Bullsiht..."

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Kayne West could have a montly Q&A column!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Cascading style subscription cards

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I just hope the new Spin features even more unreadable marginalia. That'll attract the kids.

In the near future every pop culture magazine will be so short and snarky it really *will* be like reading ILM the magazine.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the black metal guys would have their own lil corner

latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

methinks the new owners are rilly green, b/c they must not have done any due diligence. I worked for AP at blender, and he did nothing except express naked contempt for Americans and display willful ignorance towards American culture. what's more, he hated Spin— the wonky music crit tendencies of most of the people there would ensure a vomitous reaction to one of his lectures. hence the bloodbath there today and yesterday…

Spin has been in trouble for a long time, but his hiring will only hasten its demise. It was Ap's second-in-command who did all the heavy lifting. AP has no interest in the international web (or at least he didn't when I worked for him)— if he thinks he can get young uns to add Spin to their diet of MYSpace, he is sorely mistaken.

check this out this interview with Mediabistro…he didn't get it then…

Do you think that the Internet is inhibiting the sale of CDs?
People don't want this stuff for free. There are a few people in colleges and stuff who get a thrill out of downloading stuff illegally, but most people will pay 60 cents for a song they download. It's only 60 cents, and most people are more than happy to pay for it. Before record labels endorsed music licensing, people were downloading music for free because there were no other options. It was a great piece of technology. I mean iTunes is successful, and that seems to be the way things are going, record companies are finally realizing that they can be involved in websites that charge for tunes and still be financially viable. Regardless, the CD will still exist, just in reduced circumstances. It will perhaps be similar to movies. You can experience a movie in a variety of formats—at the cinema, on DVD, or VHS.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 23:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it was easy money for Klosterman and he was basically either shitting out columns or getting SPIN to grant him vanity articles. Which was fine with me, actually.

I was shocked--shocked--that it went for $5M although given that it's bleeding $3M per year and the subscriber liability noted above, I had no idea things were this bad.

I don't find the Pemberton move at all unpredictable. I wouldn't want to work for him, either--thanks for chiming in Veronica, so I don't have to relay my own stories.

Who else got booted there today from the staff (other than the publisher and EIC yesterday)? I heard some names that were likely to be gone by the end of the week...

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 23:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

apart from CK, its two that I know of— I don't think that i should name them.

I'm sure that he will fire most Spinvolk— I predict he will attempt to staff it with Brits, altho' I doubt the new owners will be willing to spring for multiple green cards. he'll have to staff it with Americans—if they know of his rep, they would have to be masochists or truly desperate, and there sure are a lotta people like the latter these days. the freelance pool will be almost exclusively british.

he does need a consigliere, like Blender's CM, but one who will be loyal and not say to the owners "he does nothing; I do everything, fire him." he has been a consultant since being fired from Blender, so he may very well have learned something, altho I doubt it.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that tiger is not going to change his stripes. no way.

I can only assume that hiring AP is a huge signifier of the short term brand strategy of the new owners. Which is sad, because that mag needs some serious babying and given the long term outlook of music glossies, investors are probably not going to have much patience watching that thing bleed cash.

Is Blender doing 12 issues a year yet?

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

blender's been at 12 since year two, i believe.

i can't think of anyone currently on-staff who would do well under ap. spin has definitely lost its way (really? another my chemical romance cover?) but ap is not the one to right it. yr right don about the long view. last fall they had an issue with two great travelogue pieces: simon on grime in london and caramanica on houston hip-hop. finally spin read like something other than How to Live in NYC on Drink Tickets. i really felt like that would be a good (if expensive) direction to go: the music travelogue. clearly that will not be the case.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

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