does anyone still like Belle and Sebastian?

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Stay Loose has been one of the best B&S songs ever. It's tremendous, and also surprising with those 1979/80 sound - the Steve Nieve organ, and the vocals very similar to the young Chris Difford from Squeeze. I'm proud that I heard the same similarities as you all did.
The whole LP should be listened a few times more, but still seems to be a pleasant surprise after Storytelling.

Bence Inkei, Sunday, 14 September 2003 17:07 (twenty years ago) link

I'm really VERY fond of "Stay Loose" too. Love the treatment on Stuart's voice...

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 14 September 2003 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

is "Stay Loose" the one that people say sounds like The Police? I'm not hostile to The Police, but I wouldn't encourage bands to sound like them.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 14 September 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

the only record i know by this band is that one everyone was saying is their worst. i like it.

duane, Sunday, 14 September 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

This confuses me... why, in a place where virtually every band evah can get ILM hate, do what appears like 100% of you like, or at least own product by, this limp 57th-rate Delgados excuse for a band? Why why why? They - are - so - fucking - weak!

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 14 September 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

i like to crochet too.

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 14 September 2003 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

The new Lp of B&S is wonderful, really 70s...

C11 (C11), Sunday, 14 September 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

eat a dick or two, the lex.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 14 September 2003 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

what appears like 100% of you like

As long as Dan and I are around, you need never worry about this percentage coming true.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 September 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

the delgados, they sound real good too but i only ever heard 1 song by them

duane, Sunday, 14 September 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

the delgados are great and don't sound like belle & sebastian.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 14 September 2003 23:43 (twenty years ago) link

i can only boggle at what a 57th rate version of a fifth rate band like the delgados would be like

the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 14 September 2003 23:43 (twenty years ago) link

(actually that's unfair, i don't dislike the delgados, but for crimony's sake)

the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 14 September 2003 23:44 (twenty years ago) link

the new B&S album is their best since Sinister, that's for sure. Yes Stay Loose is one of their best and catchiest songs ever, the guitar solo kills me and it repeats 3 times! Not enough for me, the song could be eight minutes and I'd still want more. The non-Stuart songs on this are so strong (but I like how he comes in at the very end of Stay Loose).

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 15 September 2003 06:57 (twenty years ago) link

I still love tigermilk, especially that one that sounds like Procession by New Order

you mean Electronic Renaissance. There's a lot of hate for this song, but I happen to love it.

I'm worried abt B&S sounding like the Police.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 15 September 2003 08:15 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I have to say I really used to despise B&S and liked maybe a song or two, but this new album is really amazing; very special.

I would actually urge haters to give this one a spin!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

HMMMMM

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 October 2003 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

I have not heard the new B&S record. Is it out yet?

I did hear the Nipper playing some of it on his computer. But that was not really enough to make any kind of judgement, or any kinde of judgment.

Momus's post is very neat. His STARSKY & HUTCH idea is one of the most comic things I have seen him write. It is encouraging to see how much comic writing one can produce after being visually impaired. But my information on these matters, like my view of this screen, is hazy.

When Momus says that fans will like the way the record goes back to the 60s he is perhaps only half-right. There is, I believe, a long history of B&S fans complaining about B&S starting to sound like a 60s band. I do not think that early perceptions of B&S (1995-1999) had very much to do with the 1960s.

For once, it would not be very hard to check the accuracy or otherwise of this statement.

I am surprised that CRISIS did not refer to the old 80s comic about the Third World, as it was then not called.

I like Cozen's research, but don't know what he means about doppelgangers.

It is funny (where) the Vicar says that he is not hostile to the Police.

the pinefox, Thursday, 2 October 2003 08:27 (twenty years ago) link

the new one sounds like pizzicato five crossed with free design. "roy walker" could be partridge family. considerably funkier than they've been in the past. best record in a long time.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 2 October 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

The weird thing about the new one is that, "Stay Loose" aside, it appears to have had very little Nunn influence on it at all.

Album of the year, anyway.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 October 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

trevor nunn?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 2 October 2003 18:42 (twenty years ago) link

I'm nunnconvinced.

the pinefox, Thursday, 2 October 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

Trevor Horn. It's been a long day.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 2 October 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know, they certainly seem more awake than usual, I'd chalk that up to Horn

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 2 October 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link

They should totally bring in Trevor Nunn to produce the next album.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 2 October 2003 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

or Terry Nunn!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 October 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

Trevor Brooking could do a job, as long as it was understood that it was strictly a temporary arrangement for an interim period.

the pinefox, Thursday, 2 October 2003 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

I have not heard the new B&S record. Is it out yet?

Yup, on XFM.co.uk ("under Multimedia").

Truth, I started saying, "Oh God, more BS from B&S", but this new album is almost....happy-sounding.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 2 October 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

I would actually urge haters to give this one a spin!

so, have B&S blanded out their sound to appeal to cockfarmers who don't like B&S? time will tell.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 9 October 2003 10:54 (twenty years ago) link

The weird thing about the new one is that, "Stay Loose" aside, it appears to have had very little [Horn] influence on it at all.

And the weird thing about Dom's post is this comment from the band:

"The biggest studio creation and, ironically, one which Trevor was hardly involved in. This was the only song which wasn't fully written before we went into the studio. This was intentional, as we wanted a song Trevor could sing his teeth into. But Trevor didn't actually like the song. He did try a few things, but in the end, it was the band that saw it through. Tony Doogan mixed the song."

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 October 2003 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

Whoops -- that's about "Stay Loose," if you hadn't already figured it out.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 October 2003 13:40 (twenty years ago) link

I've given it two goes now and I still don't like it much. Maybe one more try for old times' sake.

chris (chris), Thursday, 9 October 2003 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.hollowearth.org/2003_07_06_oldcrap.html

David. (Cozen), Thursday, 9 October 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

so, have B&S blanded out their sound to appeal to cockfarmers who don't like B&S? time will tell.

I don't think it's "blanded out" at all; except for those who think that any change is 'blanded' or 'sold-out' or whatever. That said, there is something very different about it (the singing maybe?) that makes me want to give up cockfarming altogether.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 9 October 2003 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

about half of the album is sung by stevie and not stuart, but his voice sounds really good here and his songs are good, unlike fold your hands.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 9 October 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

I heard "Asleep on a Sunbeam" today. It's the first B&S song I've ever heard. I like it.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 10 October 2003 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

I got really sad and listened to nothing but Belle & Sebastian for like three or four days. I like the new album a lot. I feel a lot better now.

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 10 October 2003 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

Stuarts voice on it sounds as if he's straining to sound like something else but I can't work out what. There are no bollocks in the record at all. Stay loose is some kind of sub-bowie joke and Lord Anthony just about the best thing on it, except for the one either before or after it which I kind of liked. On the whole though I am mssively disappointed with it. This makes me sadder than I thought it would.

chris (chris), Friday, 10 October 2003 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm, interesting, I can see how Stay Loose sounds like Ashes to Ashes (although it sounds like a lot of other early eighties songs as well) but to my mind the song Dear Catastrophe Waitress sounds more like Bowie, but Bowie from a far earlier era -around the time of, say, The Man Who Sold the World.

Roy Walker is the most disappointing song on the album for me. But give the album a few more listens, Chris, for I certainly found the songs in the middle (I'm A Cuckoo, You Don't Send Me and Wrapped Up in Books) grew on me after I'd repeated them a few times. I think it's prolly better than Fold Your Hands overall...I mean there were a couple of songs on FYH which were complete dross - Family Tree and Beyond the Sunrise.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 10 October 2003 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

"You Don't Send Me" = "On Broadway"

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 October 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

(This is a good thing!)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 October 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

oh god the guitar riffs on "I'm a cuckoo" are possibly the best thing about the record.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 10 October 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

"about half of the album is sung by stevie and not stuart, but his voice sounds really good here and his songs are good, unlike fold your hands.
-- anthony kyle monday (akmonda...), October 9th, 2003."

I think you are wrong here. Stuart has the lead vocal on all the songs except Asleep on a Sunbeam and Roy Walker, as far as I can tell.

This is an extraordinary album, btw. I love it so much.

jasiska, Friday, 10 October 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

Sometimes it sounds like Eggstone to me.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 10 October 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

I've only heard the first track on the new album, but it sounded rather peppy!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 October 2003 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

oh god the guitar riffs on "I'm a cuckoo" are possibly the best thing about the record.

Damn right! This track is a winner! (among some pretty stiff spots elsewhere on the LP)

Does this song bear more than a slight resemblance to "The Boys Are Back In Town" or am I just being swayed by the line about going to Tokyo to listen to "Thin Lizzy-o"?

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 10 October 2003 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

And is it just me, or does "Wrapped Up In Books" sound like "Out In The Country" by Sir Cliff?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 10 October 2003 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

Hah! That's exactly what I was thinking!

retort pouch (retort pouch), Friday, 10 October 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link

There are no bollocks in the record at all.

That is either a compliment or officially the most Geezaesthetic comment ever made about a pop record.

(I haven't heard it.)

the pinefox, Saturday, 11 October 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

Does this song bear more than a slight resemblance to "The Boys Are Back In Town" or am I just being swayed by the line about going to Tokyo to listen to "Thin Lizzy-o"?

it is 'The Boys Are Back In Town' altered enough to avoid legal hassles.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:26 (twenty years ago) link


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