Roberto Bolano

oh man, i want to read this but after finishing infinite jest i don't think i'll want to read another 900+ pager

I'm put off by the size, but the boxed set is a thing of beauty

i think i might order this as a present for myself to read once i'm done with this semester of grad school. i can't handle anything this heavy while i'm doing school, unfortunately

^^yah me too. this might be my winter break book. heard mixed stuff about savage detectives but i may give this one a go.

savage detectives was great. i never actually ordered 2066, i should do that now.

done ... now i just need to forget i ordered it before next week so it'll be a pleasant surprise when it arrives

I ordered it a few days ago, along with Saramago's Death With Interruptions. I probably will not get a chance to start either until May 17th, 2009, my 26th birthday, graduate school graduation day, end of a personal nightmare, and beginning of the better part of my life. I'm really looking forward to that day.

You could say that 2666 got a fairly positive review in the NYT today:

“2666” is the permanently mysterious title of a Bolaño manuscript rescued from his desk after his passing, the primary effort of the last five years of his life. The book was published posthumously in Spanish in 2004 to tremendous acclaim, after what appears to have been a bit of dithering over Bolaño’s final intentions — a small result of which is that its English translation (by Natasha Wimmer, the indefatigable translator of “The Savage Detectives”) has been bracketed by two faintly defensive statements justifying the book’s present form. They needn’t have bothered. “2666” is as consummate a performance as any 900-page novel dare hope to be: Bolaño won the race to the finish line in writing what he plainly intended, in his self-interrogating way, as a master statement. Indeed, he produced not only a supreme capstone to his own vaulting ambition, but a landmark in what’s possible for the novel as a form in our increasingly, and terrifyingly, post-national world. “The Savage Detectives” looks positively hermetic beside it.

"The Savage Detectives" is beautiful. I can't wait to see if "2666" lives up to the hype.

just got 2666 in the mail. it looks beautiful

me too

What do you think about the slip cover paperbacks versus the hardcover?

i got the paperbacks but i kind of wish i'd gotten the hardcover. the package looks nice but i'm worried it's going to fall apart and start to look ratty very quickly

will be easier to read though

i got the hardcover. its not really that unwieldy tho i dont have any plans to be truckin it around

i got the paperbacks, because we're on vacation next week and it will be easier to carry around. the question is, do i take one volume or two??? don't think i will be able to get through all three in a week. though we have two long plane rides to get thru. i think i will hide the second volume in my luggage somewhere for the plane ride back.

got the paperbacks also, just bcz i hate lugging round hardcovers

just bought the hardcover.
CANT WAIT TO READ (but have to wait, busy..)

i pre-ordered 2666 (hardback) on amazon when i was really drunk, forgot about it, then a package showed up at my door, and i'm about 200 pages in. great, great, great.

mr. que i would honestly take v. 1 with you just because it seques so nicely into the v. 2 that i've read so far.

no no i am taking vol. 1 the question is, will I be able to finish it in a week and should i take vol 2. along with me and the answer to both is yes. i am like 40 pages in so far and hubba hubba

the part about the crimes is giving me nightmares

I'm getting this through the library because I'm poor. Hopefully I can read it before it's due (since there will probably be a line for it by the time it's due).

yeah so i liked 2666 a lot. i loved the part about the crimes, which is the most haunting thing i have ever read, and i loved parts about everything else. i'm not a poetry reader and i'm not crazy and i'm not very well-read. i think being more of those things would have helped me enjoy this even more.

bought this yesterday

i think i said something out loud in the store when i saw how expensive books are these days, but then i figured eh, at least this one should last me a while.

the box set was like $20 on amazon, which is really reasonable for a new book

the two adjectives i would give 2666 are wild and uneven. it was a fun, fast read for me but i think i would have appreciated a little more cohesion between the 5 sections. . . just a touch more, really. highlights were all of sections 1 and 4 and the beginning of 5, until Archimboldio gets bogged down in WWII. 3 came off as this weird DeLillo-ish chunk. 2 seems a little pointless in retrospect. he's an interesting writer, the digressions just got a little old towards the end. considering how awesome 1 and 4 are, though, it hardly matters.

yeah, list price on the hardcover at Borders was $30.

just about to start book 4, loving it (although 1 is definitely the best so far). i hit book 4 during a really choppy plane ride and didn't want to read about death and make myself even more tense. i like how the sections are connected, there are definite ties but it's not overdone (like if the reporter would've crossed paths with the critics in a cafe or whatever).

i agree 100% with this guy on 2666 http://quarterlyconversation.com/2666-by-roberto-bolano

I'm looking forward to the translations of his poetry, too.

― Z S, Sunday, March 30, 2008 8:12 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark

finally out btw

I think I'm gonna read Savage Detectives as soon as I finish Yiddish Policeman's Union

i'm somewhere around page 300, and for now, i think Savage Detectives is better.
2666 is a good,philosophical page turner but it has it's flaws, esp. with the somewhat too obscure surreal scenes, some of them impossible to decipher, but Bolani is talented and smart enough to keep me going.
maybe iill change my mind by the end.

Anyone read The Romantic Dogs poetry collection? Some of them are pretty good. It also makes sense to read them in conjunction with the Savage Detectives, since many of them actually seem part of that book: esp. the ones about N. Parra, northern Mexico, la revolution, Spain

from one poem: "But back then, growing up would have been a crime"

"Notes Toward an Annotated Edition of 2666":

http://us.macmillan.com/BookCustomPage.aspx?isbn=9780374100148&m_type=4&m_contentid=5953#cmscontent

those are some very helpfull comments.

the book is getting better and better.(i'm in the middle)
it's the sort of a book one's need to get used to, i think.
David Lynch,Witold Gombrowicz, and the other Bolano's usuall suspects of influence are presented (Cortazar,Dellilo,Sebald and so on)
it's less focused than "savage",yes, (which wasnt focused as itself), but it's deeper, and more complex.
still, not a hard read.
Bolano gives a fresh, look at the old theme of life vs. death, logic vs. madness, order vs. chaos. etc.. while the latter will always win, trying to find the point of it all, art and life, with the horror of death around us.
so realism and surrealism collide together,with endless details, places and names creating a huge picture of the modern modern world on which we live in, where we can only imagine we have control over our lifes, while death and misunderstanding are around the corner.

part 4 is more of an endless,detached report about the endless women murders,with some inside stories, so it's the weakest of the parts in terms of literature (though it also has it's many moments of great prose to be sure), but it delivers the largest emotional impact upon the reader,digging deeper into THE theme of the novel - the horror ofdeath,forcing the reader to confront the subject in thoughts and emotion, turning back on his mind to the previous parts, trying to build the big picture, connect the parts to a whole.

and to think that Bolano himself was dying while writing the book , makes the impact more profound.

This is really a book written for undergraduate students. I just finished book one, and I can already imagine about 50 undergraduate paper topics waiting to be handed in.

The Role of Dreams
Morini as Outsider
Women in Academia
The Whore/Medusa Complex
The Eruption of Violence in Educated Academic Society
The Writer v. The Critic
Etc, etc.

I gotta say, I love it :) I chatted with a friend on AIM about the first 150 pages for like two hours last night.

after savage detectives, it's weird reading a bolano book with modern references (rap, robert rodriquez)

part 4 sort of teases with movie hero-type saviors (the loner cop who's teaching himself criminology, the FBI profiler, the obsessive reporter who starts getting tips), but you it's not that kind of story and it's not going to go down like that.

the fake robert rodriguez anecdote is great

xxpost that part in the first section where the academics watch the ring!

part 4 is more of an endless,detached report about the endless women murders,with some inside stories, so it's the weakest of the parts in terms of literature

i found part 4 incredible but also near impossible. the litany of dead women was hard to read but that was certainly the point, right?

yeah, it becomes pretty numbing and i started to skim through those paragraphs, which has got to be the intended effect.

this book was fuckin rad

srsly! co-sign

Was on holiday in Chile few weeks ago. Having drinks with some of my dad's friends, the ex-husband of one asked me if I had ever read Bolano. I said yes, I really like him and was currently reading 2666. Turns out he was best friends with him as boys. He had recently been sent interview questions about the young Bolano and his relationship with him. He said when he was young he was a storyteller, and all the boys in the crowd would crowd round him while he made up, on the spot, fantastical stories that they all really enjoyed. Also he told an anecdote about a time when he had shot a bird with a homemade slingshot, Bolano shouted at him, calling him a murderer, and then rung the bird's neck as it was still alive, but suffering.

wow!

dude was a totally unremarkable accountant, living in a provincial city. Forgot to ask him where he was from, because I've never read anything telling me where Bolano was from in Chile, though I suspect it was probably just a suburb of Santiago. Also it was this newspaper that sent him the questions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clinic and he didn't seem to think they had ever used his material.

can someone whos read more bolano clue me in on what 2666 is? i gather its a date that shows up a few times in his work?

This is really a book written for undergraduate students. I just finished book one, and I can already imagine about 50 undergraduate paper topics waiting to be handed in.

The Role of Dreams
Morini as Outsider
Women in Academia
The Whore/Medusa Complex
The Eruption of Violence in Educated Academic Society
The Writer v. The Critic
Etc, etc.

"The Ghost of Herbert Plantilla: Pynchon, Borges & the Specter of American Literature in Roberto Bolaño's 2666"

about the title,from Amulet:
""...a cemetery in the year 2666, a forgotten cemetery under the eyelid of a corpse or an unborn child, bathed in the dispassionate fluids of an eye that tried so hard to forget one particular thing that it ended up forgetting everything else"

the 5th part took me by surprise:
in style, it's like a tribute to German literature (from the Grim bros. and Hoffman to Mann,Broch and Thomas Bernhard), trying to explain the decadence and horror of the post-modern world described in the previous parts, through history, and by that also connecting the narrative dots between archimboldi,art and the crimes in mexico.

has much in common with Sebald in that respect

found out that a friend of mines parents are depicted in the savage detectives, in the first part of the book theyre part of the artistic milieu like a sculptor and... something, been a while since i read the book, and since he told me lol, not a close friend

Influencers!

lmao

Is that the foul-mouthed American woman?

yeah must be i know one of his parents is american

finishing up Distant Star rn, pretty good! I do like the concept of "how do you process it when someone in your little arts circle becomes a politically aligned psychotic murderer," because I am thinking of similar things now that I recently found out that someone I grew up with created a giant company that does new slavery or whatever.

for some reason this book is kinda reading like a musical to me, where things are happening in a semi-realistic way or whatever and then suddenly the plot takes off on these (kinda corny) flights of fancies and then comes down (like the skywriting poetry, or the the torture photography exhibit or w/e). Anyway, I tried to read him like 10-15 years ago and thought he was pretty overrated, couldn't get through anything, now I'm having a good time reading this book, not sure why. 10-15 years ago I was able to dive into Marias and Sebald and other more "it helps to be divorced to get it" authors, but whatever it's nice to have something to be into now.