John Cale S/D

Is there any discussion of the New York in the 1960's stuff that Table Of The Elements put out hiding away on here? I like the two of those albums that I have, particularly Sun Blindness Music, which was the first one I found.

I've been listening to that volume a lot, lately. I love that guitar drone piece, it's very metal.
Preparing to do a big Velvets radio show on Oct 28th. Going to read passages out of the Unterberger book and play a lot of live/rare/solo stuff and just some favorites, too. Should be a lot of fun.

carribean sunset is pretty good as some posters already said before. i listened to it a lot alone in my small room in the winter of 1983/84. it was my first term at university and it was a nice antidote to mark knopfler's dire straits which were ubiquitous at the time. i had nothing against them but john cale rockin' out was about a zillion times cooler. the album sounded doomed and fucked and i loved it for that.

Which of the NY in the 60s one is the organ drone piece? Kinda sounds like the same organ used on "Sister Ray"? I heard that once, but don't own it ... Need to track it down.

That is on Sun Blindness Music. There is a forty minute organ drone on that one. I'm guessing that is the one you are talking about, anyway.

Yeah, I think that's it ... Intense stuff! Sure to clear a room within 3 minutes!

Aye, I owned a second hand copy for ages, hadn't listened to it for a while, but remembered it as being wonderful transcendent drone... then it was repressed or whatever and a new copy turned up in the shop, so I stuck it on... didn't go down too well, unfortunately. Still sounded awesome to me.

Haha, yeah, I think I heard it in Twisted Village in Harvard Square a long time ago, which was typical for those guys. Always playing stuff to make sure tourists didn't venture in there.

Why on earth hasn't someone reissued his 80s albums, especially "Honi Soit" and "Music For A New Society"?

And "John Cale Comes Alive!" Don't know if I've ever seen that on CD.

Nope, never (and neither has "Caribbean Sunset"). Neither are spectacular but you'd think Rhino Handmade or Hip-O would get it done.

Search: this double DVD of two early 80s performances on German TV http://www.amazon.co.uk/John-Cale-Band-Live-Rockpalast/dp/B003BWBA6W

yeah a lot of it is on youtube iirc

Yeah, the material has been bootlegged forever, but now it's officially out on DVD.

yeah, i've watched the youtubes of a lot of that -- amazing, but a weird era.

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The proto electronic music of the New York seminal duo Suicide, the former Velvet Underground member John Cale (with his performance When Past & Future Collide: John Cale & Band + Orchestra perform PARIS 1919 live) and Swans, Michael Gira’s re-formed band will also be in the Parc del Fòrum next May.

OMG

Shit, upon further research turns out he's played a few Paris 1919 shows recently. Still, gonna start investigating flights to Barcelona.

got the rockapalast double CD (the dvd was mentioned above) and it is killer. lean/mean band on the first disc, intense solo performance on the second. recommended!

I talked about it on some Cale thread - it's great!

where'd you guys get it?

oh it's been officially released. i got it from amazon.

I got it from my local shop.

thx

Yeah, it's pretty damn good. Maybe just a bit passed his prime (I want more 70s live Cale!) but still, some amazing psycho versions, especially "Waiting For My Man".

yeah the waiting for the man on the first disc is a pretty wild reinterpretation -- puts the pounding (almost steve reich-y) piano at the forefront. and then goes off into weirdland with his rant about south america and coffee beans.

Just got this. Thanks for the tip.

Someone should release the "Even cowgirls..." boot!!!

is that a bootleg? it *sounds* like a bootleg, but I thought it was a semi-official release. great stuff, anyway.

The man needs a proper box set for crying out loud! Is this what happens when the record labels fold? Ah well, I made my own anyway!

you got a tracklisting for your box set?
i guess the only real career spanning set is seducing down the door, which is just two discs and came out, when, 1992?

I listen to that live German TV version of "Dying on the Vine" at least once a week.

i guess the only real career spanning set is seducing down the door, which is just two discs and came out, when, 1992?

The Island Years, collecting Fear, Slow Dazzle, and Helen of Troy, is essential, but out of print. I got it from Columbia House for 99 cents in '98.

yeah the island years is great. like gerald, i'd love to hear a good live show from that era. i have a couple pretty dismal (sound quality-wise) bootlegs.

Me too.
I think there was Chris Spedding on guitar, shows must have been crazy, especially around the release of Helen of Troy.

I picked up the New York In The 60's box set the other day. It'll probably take me a while to get my head around it, but I think I'll ultimately be able to do business with it. Seems like a good gateway into the world of the drone.

yeah the ny 60s stuff is not for the faint at heart, but some of it is great.
one thing i dig about the live 80s set is how brutal/simple cale's guitar playing is. obviously he's an incredibly skilled musician, but when it comes to guitar, he really just wants to pound on the thing.

He was still playing that way when I saw him do an instore at J&R Music World last year! It probably works better when the sun goes down.

But I guess I like Velvets viola-droning Cale, melodic Paris 1919 ivory-tickling Cale, gonzo live show/Tanglewood hatchet-wielding Cale, and don't really like Cosby-sweater-wearing guitar-bashing Cale.

hey y'all I have been obsessively collecting Cale boots from the Cowgirls era for a while now

Dallas '79 is an incredible soundboard that blows Cowgirls away, and there is a Philadelphia AUD recording that's pretty decent. Also the whole CGGB set that most of Cowgirls is taken from has been floating around as MP3s.

I'll put 'em up on the blog, shardsofbeauty.blogspot.com... gimme a couple of hours though.

yes please

woohoo

awesomeee

OK all done, have at it. I'd love to hear what people think of these shows.

Holy shit -- I've been dying to hear Cowgirls-era Cale forever but all that's been officially released from that era was...well, Cowgirls.

I suppose I can just wait for you to post it, but do any of these dates include "Fucking the Neighbor's Wife"?

no but wow @ that title, never heard of it.

Ok, I suppose I overstated myself - I like to supplement best-ofs that I feel are too stingy, like Cale's "Seducing Down The Door". You should already have "The Island Years" as everything there is prime Cale, not to be skipped. I'm also quite partial to his album with Eno and the "Sabotage/Live" album is killer (the CD with the "Animal Justice" EP tacked on). As it happened I had a terrific set of C90 tapes a friend had made when I first got into Cale and I pulled off the unique tracks from that as well as adding some of my own. So here's my disc 3 of "Seducing":

1. Cleo (Vintage Violence)
2. Hello There (Vintage Violence)
3. The Soul Of Patrick Lee (The Church Of Anthrax)
4. Church Of Anthrax (The Church Of Anthrax)
5. The Philosopher (The Academy In Peril)
6. Dance Of The Seven Veils (Even Cowgirls Get The Blues)
7. Don't Know Why She Came (Even Cowgirls Get The Blues)
8. Streets Of Laredo (Honi Soit)
9. Honi Soit (Honi Soit)
10. Magic & Lies (Honi Suit)
11. I Keep A Close Watch (new version) (Music For A New Society)
12. Praetorian Underground (Caribbean Sunset)
13. Never Give Up On You (Comes Alive)
14. Heartbreak Hotel (Comes Alive)
15. Fadeaway Tomorrow (Artificial Intelligence)
16. Black Rose (Artificial Intelligence)
17. Satellite Walk (Artificial Intelligence)
18. She Never Took No For An Answer (Sid & Nancy soundtrack)
19. There Was A Saviour - Interlude I (Words For The Dying)
20. Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night (Words For The Dying)
21. Songs Without Words II (Words For The Dying)
22. Style It Takes (Songs For Drella)
23. Forever Changed (Songs For Drella(
24. Hallelujah (I'm Your Fan compilation)
25. Frozen Warnings (Nico:Icon film)

I cheated, that's more than a single CD's worth. Gotta say, when I go back to the full 80s albums, I think they're mostly great and deserve a real reissue but I expect if we haven't seen it yet we never will.

oh wait looks like I was wrong, it's on the CBGB's set (xp)

setlists:

Dallas '79 - 4/21/79 "great SB, Palladium, Dallas" Rare tape transfer, kind of a weird mix, with vocals mostly right channel, guitar left, but otherwise a clear SBD of a wonderful show, great companion to Sabotage and Even Cowgirls, alt. Lyrics for Baby and Cowgirls; Tracks: 1. Walking the Dog / 2. Mercenaries / 3. Baby You Know / 4. Guts / 5. Evidence / 6. Dr. Mudd / 7. Even Cowgirls Get the Blues / 8. Waiting for the Man / 9. Fear / 10. Chorale / 11. Leaving It Up to You / 12. Heartbreak Hotel / 13. Cable Hogue (inc. ending)

JOHN CALE
THE HOT CLUB, PHILADELPHIA, PA, USA
March 9, 1979
AUDIENCE RECORDING BY THE BIG A
SONY D6>1ST GEN CASSETTE>STAND ALONE BURNER>WAV>FLAC
SETLIST:
01. mercenaries
02. baby you know
03. casey at the bat
04. jack the ripper at the moulin rouge
05. i don't know why she came
06. evidence
07. guts
08. i'm waiting for the man
09. dirty ass rock and roll
10. heartbreak hotel

CBGB's 1978:
1 Dance Of The Seven Veils 05:01
2 Helen Of Troy 04:57
3 Casey At The Bat 05:29
4 Guts 04:02
5 Don't Know Why She Came 04:34
6 Taking It All Away 03:04
7 Even Cowgirls Get The Blues 07:14
8 Darling I Need You 03:51
9 Mercenaries 08:04
10 Neighbour's Wife 04:41
11 Heartbreak Hotel 03:56
12 Pablo Picasso 09:38

Crap, I have OS X 10.4.11, which xACT doesn't work on. Any chance you could post the first two of these as mp3s?

Use this and convert them yourself:

http://download.cnet.com/All2MP3/3000-2140_4-190407.html

Works like a charm and you don't need to to convert them to AIFF as a between step.

Thanks for sharing these Sleeve! Been on a big Cale kick and can't wait to hear 'em.