Say It Ain't So and Where Is My Mind share the same chords but in a different order, and the tempos are similar.. however they also have different vocal melodies, different counter melodies, different guitar fills, different production, different lyrics, and the musicians play the songs differently, and also Frank Black and Rivers Cuomo do not have similar vocal styles.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 27 April 2008 19:46 (fifteen years ago) link
also the instruments used on both songs are different
― Mr. Que, Sunday, 27 April 2008 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link
also different producer
Yeah.. what I was saying is that I'm sick of people saying that song was "ripped off" from another because the chord progressions are similar.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 27 April 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Perhaps, Surmounter, but an awful lot of bands ripped off the Pixies.
H&O didn't!
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 27 April 2008 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think SIAS was "ripped off" from WIMM and I don't think the shared progression takes anything away from it being a great song. But I think the case for WIMM influencing SIAS is strong and I think it's an interesting connection. It's not a super-obscure chord progression (and not just power chords-- WIMM verse goes E C#m G# A, SIAS verse goes C#m G# A E), but it's not exactly a "standard" progression either. The G# following the C#m rather than preceding it and then resolving deceptively to the A is pretty distinctive.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 28 April 2008 00:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Can we get back to discussing what is clearly the superior of the two tracks?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 April 2008 01:00 (fifteen years ago) link
I love this thread.
― Bimble, Monday, 28 April 2008 01:15 (fifteen years ago) link
What if you think they're equal?
― billstevejim, Monday, 28 April 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Hall & Oates' "Say It Isn't So" is the greatest song of all time.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:33 (four years ago) link
Are you people out of your fucking minds? I hoped that the hipster world's brief foray into Hall and Oates apreciation ended that stupid week where Ben Gibbard made that dumb list on Pitchfork, then Pitchfork had that dumb news feature about their tour. It's not like the Weezer "Say It Ain't So" falls under their dubious ironic period, it's just great.― Roadkill Bingo (Roadkill Bingo), Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:11 PM
I listen to H&O about 10x more than Weezer, but "Say It Ain't So" is Rivers' best song, and "Say It Isn't So" wouldn't make my list of top 20 H&O tracks (I'm sure Alfred already made this list, so I'm off to compare it with my own mental list).
― enochroot, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 13:22 (four years ago) link
https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/mano-a-mano-the-best-of-daryl-hall-and-john-oates/
― enochroot, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 13:26 (four years ago) link
Say It Isn't So would sound amazing coming from nearly any other band, but it's up against things like I Can't Go For That and Kiss On My List.
Why haven't Weezer ever put out a greatest hits btw? They're totally a singles band.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link
they did, it's the one with the blue cover
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link
No Head, no cred.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhTa2PeIdxs
― Briania, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
I would not have guessed that that guy had a soft-rock/folkie period
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link