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― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Marshall McLuhan was not Allen's first choice. Federico Fellini and Luis Buñuel were asked first.
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― deeznuts, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link
ok so call me dumb but anyone want to explain this line?
ANNIE (Smiling) What's so great about New York? I mean, it's a dying city. You read Death in Venice.
What does Death in Venice have to do with New York?
― otm in new york (G00blar), Monday, 6 April 2009 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Sub-plot of Death in Venice is that people still go there although there is a disease rampant in the city. So it's dying but still people love it?
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 6 April 2009 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean whole thing is about death obviously but I think that's what that is referring to. Indeed it's more like a celebration of decay...maybe...possibly.
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 6 April 2009 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Joey Five-Cents!
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Annie Hall is neither classic nor dud. It is just hopelessly irrelevant.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 03:46 (fifteen years ago) link
HOPELESSLY
― http://tinyurl.com/6hk24 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Shh! Some of us still need the eggs, ok?
― tits akimbo (kenan), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 05:26 (fifteen years ago) link
It can still be classic and hopelessly irrelevant (although I don't think it is that either).
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 06:58 (fifteen years ago) link
what the hell is an irrelevant movie? it's not relevant to your life as a spanish fighter jet pilot? it's not relevant to deregulation legislation of the 1980s? what?
― jermainetwo, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 08:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i'd like to know what that line abt death in venice means also. i mean if ned's right, that it's at ppl loving a city despite the decay, wouldnt annie then love new york? rather than asking why ppl love it?
― just sayin, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 09:58 (fifteen years ago) link
The line is there mostly to set up the joke that follows it. He says you didn't read it until I gave it to you, she says he only gave her books with death in the title. Or something like that.
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:31 (fifteen years ago) link
This is true of course! We shouldn't overanalyse but...
I think she saying that people (in the novel) are kind of oblivious to the dangers of the city (or they know about them but don't care) and Annie is saying but we're cleverer than they - we KNOW it's a dying city and we should get out and move to L.A.
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:34 (fifteen years ago) link
And don't forget that later Alvy says "A relationship is like a shark. It has to constantly move forward or it dies. And I think what we have here is a dead shark" (I'm paraphrasing here). Which could also apply to, um, New York in the late 1970s, early 80s and so, er, is sub-consciously agreeing with Annie's earlier comment.
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the "New York is dying, let's get out" meme was big in the seventies, as was Visconti's Death in Venice so it might have been a more obvious parallel then than it is now... Annie = realist, Woody = hopelessly morbid romantic, ie set-up of all Woody Allen films of the period...
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link
They would make a great double bill.
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link
New York (certainly Manhattan) is now essentially dead for anyone except the demographic that populates Woody's urban comedies.
also Aimless, yer a dope.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Aimless might be a lot of things but dope isn't one of them, I don't think.
However your first sentence is pretty OTM.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:22 (fifteen years ago) link
I love it when they go to L.A.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:26 (fifteen years ago) link
ok, Aimless' "remock" (as Woody wd say) was dopey.
I've still never been to LA, partly cuz AH warned me about it.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link
By the way, while I was googling that line from Annie Hall, I came across a great thing. The New Yorker digital reader gives you searchable access to every single issue of the New Yorker from 1925. While it's in beta, it's free - you just have to put in an email address. After beta they're charging but it's good for now.
http://archives.newyorker.com/
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
dayum
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
calling this movie hopelessly irrelevant is either dopey or just meaningless. it's not irrelevant, either as a love story or as a film... i mean, i guess if you're looking at it as a guide to new york city living, maybe!
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link
influence in the genre, whether you feel it to be positive or negative, at least proves 'relevance'
― The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link
also, asking the happy couple how they're doing so well is still A+
fuck a relevance.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link
and i always carry a sock o' manure in movie lines.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyone see it at the Brooklyn Bridge Park tonight? I have to admit there was something magical about seeing Allen and Keaton by the bridge and then looking to my right and seeing the bridge (from the other side obv)
― surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 July 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link