Peanuts: Search and Destroy

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Older peanuts + the TV stuff = classic.

Only things I could give 2 seconds to these days is Mutts and Get Fuzzy.

sucka (sucka), Saturday, 27 September 2003 04:16 (twenty years ago) link

WHAT? WHAT? HOLY FUCKING SHIT. THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE.

A press release about this wondrous event.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 27 September 2003 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

It's weird, why didn't I react the way Mike did when I read that earlier! I think I was feeling more a sense of quiet satisfaction and approval. :-) I was just looking at some of my old and very worn small paperbacks the other day...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 27 September 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

I hope this is enough of a cash cow to give Fantagraphics the freedom to reprint all sorts of other classic comics (not to say that I'm not superexcited by this).

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 27 September 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

One thing that's amazing about it is the fact that something like 15% of all the Peanuts strips have never been reprinted. He wasn't very fond of his early work, and IIRC there hasn't been a "book of record" covering the 1950-1952 period in any methodical fashion since the very first reprint book went out of print back in the sixties.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 27 September 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

He = Sparky in the above post.

Re-reading the article above, I see that it says over 50% of the first volume consists of stuff that's never been reprinted.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 27 September 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

Which is something of a sticky wicket re: authorial intent, of course...

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 27 September 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

I figure it's part of the public domain, it WAS published after all. And just about any comic writer will agree that it can usually take time to fully hit one's stride (Bill Watterson in the ten-year-anniversary Calvin and Hobbes book makes a variety of notes about characters and approaches in early days he didn't pursue later on -- in a parallel case, see also, as I'm sure you two will appreciate, the evolution of MST3K from KTMA to, say, third season).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 27 September 2003 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

Well, that's an unusual use of the phrase "public domain", but yes. I mean, especially if it's clear to the reader that this is stuff the creator was trying to supress, then it seems OK, especially now that Peanuts is caught between being history and art.

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 27 September 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

And, I mean, Schulz must have known that these strips would be collected and published within a few years of his death -- and hopefully he was OK with it. (I should reread that huge interview in the Comics Journal a few years before he died.)

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 27 September 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
http://www.fantagraphics.com/peanuts/cp_vol1.jpg

Sssexy!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

Ooh, I must have this.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

Hella.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
If you've pre-ordered The Complete Peanuts: 1950-1952 like I have, they'll be shipping it out tomorrow. Meanwhile, Amazon is already taking pre-orders for this, due out in October:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1560976144.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 08:00 (twenty years ago) link

I am a happy man. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

This makes me exceedingly happy. For years, I carried a well-worn listing of Peanuts books in my wallet to keep track of what I had and didn't should I find myself in a used bookstore. The Peanuts bibliography has been byzantine and completely nonsensical for years -- it'll be wonderful to have everything -- even the sad '90s shaky-handed decline. Though it's a ten-year project or something, right?

I went to the Schulz museum in Santa Rosa last year and it just busted me in two in a wonderful way.

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

fckng holy WOW! a series of complete peanuts books?!!!
when did these begin? actually, when did it officially
jump the shark? are they going year by year for, like, 30 books?!

sorry i'm british. no-one i know would give a sh-t over here.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

*swwwwwwooooooonnnnnnnn*

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

wow, you guys don't get peanuts in britain? (actually, i assume you do since there's obv quite a few brits on this thread, but did it just never take off the way it did here?)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

I was sitting here, reading this thread and thinking about how much Sparky and the kids mean to me. I wasn't sure if I had anything to add or if I really deserved to add anything. Then I remembered that I am (always)wearing a necklace shaped like a star with Snoopy in it.
One thing that upset me as a kid but now I understand is that in The Peanuts Collection, Sparky said that Schroeder's piano had a painted cardboad keyboard and all the Beethoven was imagined.
Happiness is a warm puppy.

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 09:29 (twenty years ago) link

I don't understand this British stuff. Peanuts is very famous here (i.e. in Britain).

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
I got the "Complete Lil' Folks" book. It's really good, particularly to watch how his artwork becomes more and more minimal and interesting. (And the gags are pretty funny.)

http://www.fantagraphics.com/peanuts/lilfolks.jpg

I always thought "Peanuts" was kind of a dud, until they started rerunning the old strips after Schulz's death, and I realized how hilarious they used to be. I'm looking forward to more of the "Complete Peanuts" books.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I got the first volume of the Complete Peanuts series, and I've been really enjoying it. It's a lot of fun to see just how different the early strips were from the Peanuts strip that we all got to take for granted in later years: Charlie Brown was a meanie sometimes, and played mischievous jokes on his friends; he wasn't the sad sack that everyone hated all the time, and occasionally the girls would claim to LIKE him (and then they'd hate him...which was like kids, really); Violet pulled the football thing on Charlie Brown instead of Lucy, who actually wasn't around at the beginning; Lucy and Schroeder were introduced to the strip as BABIES, not kids the same age; Snoopy was actually a dog most of the time, not a fuzzy kid with the same interests and capabilities as kids might have... I like it a lot. I know that somewhere along the line I'll get to the point where I just start saying "meh" and give up on the series because it's too much like the ponderous and not-very-funny stuff he got into in the 70s, but the early ones are going to be essential.

The other thing I noticed looking at the really early strips is just how much Charlie Brown looks like Calvin...or vice versa, really. Just put a bad haircut on some of those early Charlie Brown drawings, and you'd have Calvin.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't you get all smooshy inside when you hear the Peanuts theme song? Cannot abide the cartoon.
Family Circus should be inmprisoned in Abu Ghraib and denied contact with other prisoners: For Better Or Worse and Rose is Rose.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Not Me! was one of the prison guards.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

One hell of a set of dotted lines tracking things there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG The picture of the female guard giving the thumbs-up to prisoner genitalia now features Ida Know in my brain and I can't stop giggling/being ashamed and horrified.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Dysfunctional Family Circus indeed.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

GOOD GOD if the DFC was still going, IMAGINE THE WAR-RELATED CARNAGE.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

You could always start a thread...

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

It would never end. And that might be a good thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

has anyone else seen that new book of MAD parodies of comic strips? "the dysfunctional bush family circus"!!

"who broke into the liquor cabinet and made this mess?" "not me!"

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

the peanuts series will indeed get kinda mundane around 1980 or so (i still stand by most of the 70s stuff), but it'll get good again around 1998 - the last couple of years was really wonderful. snoopy was even acting like a real dog again.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

There's also a definite early eighties landmark when Schulz had to go into the hospital and translated many of his experiences into an extended story of Charlie Brown being sick. One of his best long narratives.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
"Take the Paxil, Charlie Brown"
http://citypages.com/databank/25/1229/article12244.asp

If you guys don't read this, nobody will...

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Very fine article indeed. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Or maybe, the owner wants to hypnotise himself into thinking that Marmaduke is a gd and obedient doggy

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 24 June 2004 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, that's a good article, especially on Lucy's role in Peanuts. I was struck by the line "Much has been made of Schulz's supposed fear of a female planet." a few "women's lib" jokes aside, I always thought Schulz was light-years ahead of most cartoonists when it came to portraying women (okay, girls). the female characters in the strip - Lucy, Peppermint Patty, Marcie, even Sally - all had their quirks, but they were all brasher, stronger and more outgoing than any of the male characters (unless you count Snoopy). Lynn Johnston has often said that this aspect of Peanuts was a major inspiration to her, and it's no surprise to me that Dan Clowes names him as one of his top influences (could Enid be a teenage Lucy? I'll have to think about that one for a while...)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 25 June 2004 06:14 (nineteen years ago) link

that article was wonderful, pete - thanks for linking. slowly getting through the first volume of the book - its too pretty to leave in the bathroom.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 25 June 2004 10:02 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1560976144.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I've finished the first volume, and I've got six more months left of Volume II. I miss Schulz more with every strip and count myself fortunate that I got to read his strips fresh and new every day in the newspaper.

Last night, I hit two strips that were a bit different. One had Shermy going through Charlie Brown's comic book collection: "Wow, you've got Revolutionary War stories, War of 1812 stories, Civil War stories, World War I stories, World War II stories, Korean War stories..." to which Charlie Brown responds, "I'm kinda worried about the next issue."

And Lucy being tethered to a rope going BWHAHM! in her imitation of a hydrogen bomb.

In the first volume, Schulz illustrated a comics rack stacked with titles like FEAR and HATE which I found a bit unsettling for a Peanuts strip. However, I do enjoy the fact that the volumes are being published by Fantagraphics, also home to Hate by Peter Bagge.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't think Fantagraphics and Bagge don't know it! I think that panel was featured in an old letters page of Hate. To quote C.B., "What a beautiful gory layout!"

My box set of the first two volumes just arrived from Amazon today. I am a happy man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Schulz kept doing that, though -- consider the early 70s strips where Snoopy goes off to give a speech and it turns into an anti-Vietnam protest/riot.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
i've been reading a lot of peanuts recently, from all eras, and its got me wondering... is this really a healthy strip for kids to read? it sounds like a flip statement, and i've always believed the strip was fantastic because it explores the really scary dark shit of childhood in an entirely natural, non-patronising manner - i'm sure that's why kids and adults alike love it.

but it's not hard to interpret the strip as eulogising various unhealthy traits - low self esteem, unrequited love, etc. i sometimes joke that i want to be linus but am more like charlie brown, but i've been wondering recently whether reading lots of peanuts strips as a kid might've instilled some subconscious belief that the misery depicted on a day-to-day basis in the comic was some kind of normalcy, that i may have transposed charlie brown's own anxieties upon my own.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Eh, I've heard the same thing from folks who obsessed over the Smiths and Moz lyrics too much earlier in their lives saying, "It encouraged a bad state of mind," etc. Now, as someone who loves both Smiths and Schulz ;-) perhaps I'm not the best of judges, but while I have my bleak moments, they are generally that -- moments. I don't sense myself having been crippled or however you'd like to phrase it by either of them, so I think it's less the art than it is the reader and how one responds to the art.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
I loved Peanuts as a kid. In hindsight, the "darkness", occasional cynicism, lonliness, depression, questions about life, etc - all of that really rubbed me the right way. I wasn't really a depressive kid either, in fact usually the opposite, but I was pretty introverted, and Peanuts was like a whole other group of friends.

that said, just finished the 1955-56 complete book, and getting ready to start on the 57-58 one. These are still really great strips!

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been slowly going through the first four volumes - so beautiful and harsh at the same time.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Charlotte Braun

In 2000, it became known that a fan of Peanuts had written Schulz a letter requesting that Charlotte Braun be removed. Schulz wrote back, promising to remove the character but asking the reader if she wanted to be responsible for "the death of an innocent child". The letter included a picture of Charlotte Braun with an ax in her head. The letter has been donated to the Library of Congress.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link


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