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how much RAM?

2GB. I ended up succumbing to the peer pressure upthread and got the 160GB/5400 drive

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

did you go for the 2.16 or the 2.33?

way i see it the 2.33 isn't THAT much more if you're going to go for 2gb/160gb anyway

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i bought the 1.66GHz mini for a software testing job and i can confidently say that OS X is nigh unusable with 512MB of RAM. running just safari and powerpoint brought it to its knees! i'm not impressed. even with a single app running the thing is sluggish as hell.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm running osx on 512, have done for 3 years, it's totally usable.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

(ideal? no)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i do like the interface. but it's like a rolls royce with square tires.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The new little shuffle will be on my doorstep this evening. yowza!

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

You're running a PPC-only program through Rosetta (Powerpoint), fortunate hazel. That alone will eat up all of your RAM.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, and the integrated video is taking a bite too.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

2.16 or 2.33, elvis?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

2.16 or 2.33, elvis?

2.33

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm still undecided! as it turned out i'd done the math wrong and it's more like a ~$300 difference... worth it??

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

for a 166MHz (8%) speed bump $300 is not worth it. keep in mind your video ram doubles if you get the 2.33GHz MBP though... it could be clocked faster as well. that might be worth the money, if you plan to play 3D games.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i might play some on windows... but how much video ram is de rigueur for gaming these days?

and does will video ram impact video editing... rendering... etc?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

elvis how is your display?

any sign of this "graininess"/uneven illumination issue i've been hearing about?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 12 November 2006 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link

elvis how is your display?

Much brighter compared to my old PowerBook

any sign of this "graininess"/uneven illumination issue i've been hearing about?

Nothing that I've noticed here (and from what I've heard, those issues are pretty isolated)

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

the ones i looked at in the store looked a bit... "sparkly" i guess but i couldn't tell if that's what ppl were talking about.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

the ones i looked at in the store looked a bit... "sparkly" i guess but i couldn't tell if that's what ppl were talking about.

Were they the glossy or matte finish screens? (I can't stand the glossy ones)

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 08:52 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

Remember guys, the first 30 years were ONLY THE BEGINNING.

Do you think there'll be a PHONEPOD or not?

Leopard? iTV for real? Nothing?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

iTV seems a shitty idea.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:24 (seventeen years ago) link

ITV already is a shitty idea in the UK

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a brilliant idea! Well, it's a pretty obvious idea, but done well I'd love to have it. I would love to be able to beam all the video I download on my mac to my TV. I end up burning DVD-Rs and wotnot at the moment.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, and I want everything made in ZIRCONIUM.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:28 (seventeen years ago) link

All of the predicted possibilities seem pretty boring to me.

― g00blar (gooblar), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd be interested in the phone if they did something revolutionary with it. If it's a bog standard phone then forget it, but if it is blackberry+treo+iPod+Mac then I am interested.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Bah, that ZDNet commentary is rubbish.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: I can't manage to get my email to work on my phone. :-( I asked the phone shop but they said I had to get online and register. I keep telling'em there's an error page when I do. :-(

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

if you have POP/IMAP access to your mail you should be able to do it from the phone without using their website.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

whatever they call it, the iTV will be ace. the techy bit of that is making "802.11n" official i guess. (faster wifi).

i have never believed the apple phone bollox. i don't mind being wrong about this. i always thought they should be pushing skype (owned by google now right, and apple hearts google?).

my fave prediction is the thin mac book. it seems on the border of being possible.

zirconium? molybdenum or nothing.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe eBay owns Skype.

― treefell (treefell), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye. eBay owns Skype.

I could see the 10.5 version of iChat including a SIP-capable VOIP client. Something like what the Gizmo Project offers.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway, get ready to play 2007 Keynote Bingo
http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits.ars/2007/1/7/6514

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

There is absolutely no point apple doing a standard phone+camera+music player device, they have to do something unique or they won't be able to create the sort of high margin premium product that they are used to.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, but there were hard disc mp3 players available before the iPod, but they did it properly (in theory I can play 2GB of mp3s on my phone, but it's a pain in the arse).

I would buy an iPod with a decent phone interface added.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:12 (seventeen years ago) link

There were but the iPod added style, a decent interface and a decent way of loading up playlists and songs.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

That's what I'm saying.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Lots of phones do it properly and well though.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i will settle for nothing less than a teleportation device.

or maybe a transmogrifier. a transmogrifier would be cool. especially if it goes "boink".

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Which phone does it properly?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Sony Erricson walkman phones seem to (according to my colleague)

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

(I meant playing music, but I guess generally too. I'm reasonably happy with my Sony Ericsson, but only because I have low expectations of phone interfaces. The old Nokias used to be pretty ergonomic, but no phone works as well as I could imagine a great piece of Apple design working)

xpost!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

oops!

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Problem is, if Apple are going to do a phone, it will be something very simple rather than an all-in-one wonder device. Apple's whole schtick is knowing when to cut features out, rather than put them in.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

http://blogosfere1.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/iphone_retro.jpg

― g00blar (gooblar), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Not always, they also do a good line in making the complex simple.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Arguably by rejecting things that aren't critical to the core functionality of a device, though.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Applies to the iPod but not to Mac OS X.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm. but surely X as it appears to most users is rejecting the complexity of the underlying OS; i mean, my dad would run a million miles from anything that proclaimed to be unix (or linux) but loves X.

and of course the functionality is all there if you want it - you just have to dig a little deeper.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a difference between simplification by removing features and abstraction of features in the name of simplicity.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

lol @ "otomatic"

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

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