Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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Cast your mind back to being 15/16, it's a saturday, the night before you'd been talking to a nice girl, maybe had a bit of a snog at the end of the night while the DJ played Kylie and Jason, anyway, you'd agreed to meet outside Hudson's record shop the next day, so you go, and you wait, and you wait, and you wait. Then you leave. The next week you go back to the under 18s disco and she's snogging some other poor sucker.

That's exactly how I feel right now TENFOLD (decency? hah, I'm doubting it now)

if he's got any decency, he'll go to Barca and not be a Real fascist

ceebee, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

In a weird way I am glad the indecision is now over. His demand that the club win things or he left cast a shadow over the whole of last season, and would have become incessant even if he had stayed. I am sickened by the way he has conducted himself, however.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Peter, that may not be a bad idea.

Poor Chris. Mind you, some of us never got a snog at all.

I have sympathy for everyone involved and affected by this curious situation, including Rich Stephen.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Hold on, Cabbage. He lifted the European Cup!

I would translate that into your snog metaphor but I fear the words might alert our IT department.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

some of us came in their mouth

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a lot of sympathy for the idea, expressed in the Guardian's Fiver, that Liverpool are about to get 32M for their second best midfielder. If Chelsea are intent on buying someone they patently don't need for a stupidly overrated amount of money, then I'd snatch their hand off. It's not even like they'll have the abuse for letting the crown jewels go.

I think Gerrard is a good player, but most players can be made world class by a selective series of edited highlights; He's been mainly rubbish for England, nowhere near as good for Liverpool week-in week -out as the London media would have people believe. Most shots and Hollywood passes aren't anywhere near as good as the one that make the compilations.

I now hope Liverpool win the European Cup and the League and Gerrard joins lil' Michael Owen in the 'what have I done?' stakes. Oh, and he's a greedy fucker. Obscene.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Charlton you have overstepped the mark, son.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

(Congrats!)

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Dave B and by extension Teh Gradinuadis OTM. This is basically Zidane 2K5.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Did Gerrard actually request/demand more money or is it just that the club offered him more out of desperation? The concern for competetive status is surely more important to him than a competetive salary though naturally that is also key. I think Owen was/is very unlucky in a way!

I agree with Dave in that he is too inconsistent, perhaps this flatters the two big occasions where he delivered for the club last season - though those deliveries were utterly divine.

I still enjoy reminiscing about his performance for England v Germany in Sep 2001.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Everything Dave B said. I'm disappointed with Gerrard for wanting to leave, and I don't think this is about success (what have Real Madrid won recently? would you rather have Chelsea's league and tinpot, or Liverpool's European Cup?) just money. But £32 million! I would sell him without even thinking about it. How much did they get for Michael Owen last year?

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Can it really be about money if Gerrard is rejecting 100k a week? How many other players earn more than that a week?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

There appears to be a vibe amongst some of teh englerland lads (Rio and Gerrard) that it's insulting to offer them a paltry 100K a week.

Is it about money - I'm reminded of the saying that millionaires become millionaires and stay millionaires by being tight-arsed money obsessed fuckers, whilst most of us see money as symbolic (we convert money into things in pursuit of what we want to do). I wonder whether this is another instance; the fact is, in sheer 'things to do with money if I had it' terms, another 500K a year is neither here nor there. Hence it's all about the money.

There's possibly the issue that he knows that in truth, Liverpool were 'lucky'* to win and wants to play somewhere where the ludic aspect will be less. He fails to understand that winning medals in a team such as Chelsea is incomparable to beikng a scouse legend. No sense of history, these young people.

* - lucky as in the true ludic nature of all the best sports

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dave B talks sense. I don't want Gerard at Chelsea.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Turns out Stevie G is a jolly decent cove after all:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4654837.stm

Good job we all publicly kept faith with the greedy little shitbag.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:18 (eighteen years ago) link

So, see you all in this thread in the January window when we repeat ourselves on this topic?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to know what is in the window of Hudson's record shop. Is it a big Tina Turner cut-out?

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Also - Gerrard ain't nothin' but a cunt tease.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Wash your mouth out PJM!

Good - he stays. But I think he's soured his relationship once and for all with the fans.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I think what Gerrard etc are after is GLORY - in the form of silverware. What they don't seem to have an inkling of is that there is feasibly more glory in reviving, say, LFC as Premiership contenders - or, even, as is more likely, failing in that attempt - than there is in decamping to Real or Chelsea. If he stays at LFC for life he becomes a legend - if only to some of the more devoted supporters in the country. If he goes, he becomes just another guy following the money.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 08:09 (eighteen years ago) link

But he would play less games and be fresher for the World Cup, heh...Liverpool may well collapse early on on account of the Champions League qualifications commitments taking their toil (inevitable injuries, suspensions etc.) if they don't strengthen the squad - so yeh I'm sorry I spoke (in support of Gerrard) now!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 08:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it possible that Liverpool played a clever spin game, releasing misninformation that portrayed Stevie in a bad light before making it clear to him how loathed he'd be if he left? Hence all the vague apologies in that article and the lack of quotes from Mr Gerrard himself?

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:07 (eighteen years ago) link

It is odd that SFX would apparently be happy to let one of their clients come across as such a flighty ditz.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah the idea that Gerrard felt he was not wanted due to stalling of contract talks - HELLO? Surely no-one is that dumb. Parry presumably didn't want it to flare up because the risk of Gerrard leaving was so strong. Presume it took them some time to work out how to divert an extrat 40k a week his way also (all the big - sorry - supersize clubs look like skinflints next to Chelsea now).

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:15 (eighteen years ago) link

gerrard wont win anything with liverpool next year. perhaps this was something on his mind.

it is also possible that his mind is quite small

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I think he may have replaced SFX as his agents with Phil Redmond

PJM - it was INXS iirc

ceebee, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Reading between these heart-wrenching lines, it seems obvious to me that unsettled Stevie Gerrard will be swapped for unsettled Hernan Crespo:

"I'm having the worst summer of my life because I don't know at what club I will be at in two weeks time," he had said.

"Since losing the Champions League final the only good thing that has happened has been my wedding."

I am trying to think of a suitable response to the INXS revelation.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 10:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps with SFX Gerrard felt that he was like a rabbit in a hutch, hence the switch.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 10:32 (eighteen years ago) link

He told the Liverpool Echo: "The last five or six weeks were the hardest of my life because I wrongly believed the club didn't want me.

"This won't be happening again next summer or ever again."

Right. So them agreeing to what you wanted, which happened prior to you saying "I don't want to be here" isn't a strong enough indication then? Prick.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Victim culture, eh? It is all-pervasive, and gets everywhere.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps he will be MADE to say sorry to the fans at this rate...

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Does the offer to take over from Benitez still stand? I don't think Stevie G is decisive enough to be a manager. Or, come to think of it, anything else apart from a pampered footballer.

I'm worried about his future, after he hangs his boots up.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:16 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not as if he'll NEED to work by that point though.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"In emotional phone calls last night, Parry reminded the want-away captain that if he left the city now he might never see Dave Boyle's promised streak. Insiders suggest this was crucial in changing Gerrard's mind."

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:34 (eighteen years ago) link


FW: the new Stevie G song, [to be sung in a thick scouse accent]
.............................................................

Ode to "Stevie G"
(to the tune of "Should I stay or should I go" by the Clash)

Agent you gotta let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If they'll pay 100K
I'll tell Real to go away
But don't treat me like a fool
They pay me less than Harry Kewell

We won the champions league
I kissed the badge down on my knees
Can I resist the lure of Chelski?
Have they a shirt that'll even fit me?
Hope my agent let's me know
Should I quit or should I blow

This indecision's bugging me
They burned my shirt on Sky TV
First it's white and next it's black
And I've made Parry look a right pratt
I've made my mind up and that's that
oh wait I think I'll change it back

Should I stay or should I go now
Should I stay or should I go now
If I go blue I'm paid in roubles
If I stay they'll pay me double
But we'll sign Peter Crouch oh no!
Should I stay or should I go?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Dirty Cash - The Adventures of Stevie G

On one hand I've got myself to blame (Lynskey), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I am secretly quite proud of it, and thinking of having it copyrighted so I can make a few quid from it.

Ooh!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"In the language he used to us, he never said he wanted to go. He never said 'I wanted to go'."

"He never said 'I wanted to go'. In the language he used to us, he never said he wanted to go."

"In the language he used to us, he never said he wanted to go. He never said 'I wanted to go'."

"He never said 'I wanted to go'. In the language he used to us, he never said he wanted to go."

"In the language he used to us, he never said he wanted to go. He never said 'I wanted to go'."

"He never said 'I wanted to go'. In the language he used to us, he never said he wanted to go."

the steinfox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

In the words of Dusty Springfield - It Begins Again.

Liverpool begin their defence of their European crown tonight at home to lowly Total Control Racing of Wales.

The match is a sell-out!

Most of Total Control Racing's players are Scousers!

One of them has a Liverpool tattoo, unlike Cabbage.

Will the buzz remain unharshed?

Is anyone excited?

I haven't even been on me summer holidays yet!

(I'm not going.)

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Everton's first pre-season friendly was a 9-0 win over FC Gamlitz in Austria (Vaughan hat-trick! It's Rooney summer '02 all over again! It totally makes up for the Highbury rout!); I expect Liverpool to at least match that tonight.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Congratulations to Everton FC and all their supporters on a tremendous achievement.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

When the lads get back we're going to have an open-top taxi drive up and down Spellow Lane a couple of times with a couple of the youth squad in, holding up their duty-free.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The Liverpool match is on ITV2 tonight, BTW. I am that football-deprived of late that even this is exciting me.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Well done, Stevie G! You've earned your wages this week, big fella!

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Thursday, 14 July 2005 07:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Crouch to Liverpool:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4677639.stm

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Liverpool announce new Crouch lunchboxes for young fans:

http://www.jordanstallard.com/images/lunchboxes/southpark_timmy.jpg

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I always think he looks like a baby giraffe, struggling to get to its feet after being born.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread gets better and better and BETTER!

When the 9th goal went in, I suppose it was Goodnight Vienna. Or, Goodnight Gamlitz.

It's true, Stevie G seems to have played out of his SKIN, these two weeks!

They weren't dancing on the streets of Total Network Solutions by the time he'd finished with them!

When I heard that Crouch had at last made his move, I was going to revive this thread and say something like, 'Cor, with Crouch on board, they could become unstoppable'. I wasn't going to mean it. But then I realized that technically they already are. Unstoppable.

the blissfox, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

True to his word, Michael has sent me the LFC Champions League DVD (and the UEFA/FA/MILK cup season DVD too!). What a sweetheart. I vow never to never mention the events of 25/5/05 in his presence ever again.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I hear the DVD continues a hidden 'Easter egg' consisting of a CGI simulation of Boyler's naked parade through the city's fair streets.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link


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