terror twilight

I forgot the line about architecture students! "Never build a building 'til you're 50, what kind of life is that?" This is so good.

My boyfriend & I in high school got in a tiff about whether "carrot rope" was about a wang. He'd asked me once if I thought it was about a wang and I had apparently said no in a manner that suggested he was screwy for even asking the question. But we were listening to it one day and when I said it was "an awesome song about a wang" he got mad and said I was always trying to make him feel like a pervert.

I pretty much hate the Nigel Godrich production (I usually do!) and at least half the songs are either cringeworthy or aimless but "Spit on a Stranger", "Major Leagues", and "Carrot Rope" are all aces

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, August 6, 2008 3:44 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

^^^this. the drumming didn't help either

This album is the pits. Listened to it on a road trip recently for the first time since it came out, and somehow liked it even less this time. What a mess.

love this album.

"the Hexx" also belongs in Shakey's good song pile.

Yeah, I gave this album yet another chance recently (don't hate it but also don't plan on playing it much) and The Hexx actually did stick out as good. Still like the Fall cover best of everything related to TT.

I always liked Ann Don't Cry. The melody gets me.

If it wasn't a Pavement album would more people not hate it so much? Assuming nobody would have an issue with how derivative it would be of Pavement if it were in fact somebody else's.

I like Terror Twilight great! I like it + S&E and the rest I never much tried to get into.

I really hope they end up giving this record the reissue treatment next year. Since the band is reforming, I'm guessing this will be a go. So excited!

"I like Terror Twilight great! I like it + S&E and the rest I never much tried to get into."

Either end and nothing in-between? Thats a strange one.

i think pavement should only play songs from this on their comeback tour

also: 'date w/ikea', 'hit the plane down', etc.

jesus, atp is starting to sell out already and they have announced no other acts

listening

such a great record

interesting full-circle level to it: godrich's production is basically adding a level of highbrow worked-over grot insted of the actual accidental grot of the early stuff

rocks in the old man sense of 'rocks': is propulsive and rhythmic, good chemistry; not rocks in the sense of 'it is loud and fast'. i mean it rocks like jefferson airplane or whatever

"your kiss like a rock but you know i need it anyway" etc etc i could quote a lot of malkmus but you all know how it works. anyway is the focus on this sort of thing* why ppl think it sounds like a first malkmus solo album?

*by which i mean 'admitted emotional referents'

nb. malkmus hasn't actually released any solo albums, so i'm kind of confused whenever people try that one

"Carrot Rope"'s arrangement was beyond Malk until 2003, so the argument that TT is an unofficial solo album mystifies me.

I'm hearing this as a really nice Abbey Road kinda sendoff.. lots of good stuff on here.

So I read that Perfect Sound Forever book over the weekend, and they had Noel Goodrich's song sequence. Apparently, he was surprised that the album producer didn't get to pick the track order.

1.) Ground Beef/Platform Blues
2.) The Hex
3.) You Are the Light
4.) Jesus in Harlem/Cream of Gold
5.) Ann
6.) Folk Jam
7.) Major Leagues
8.) Terror Twilight/Speak, See, Remember
9.) Carrot Rope
10.) Shaghag (dropped noise thing)
11.) Billie
12.) Spit on a Stranger

I'm kinda down with it starting out with Platform Blues, but I think in the end, Spiral knew what he was doing.

Might have been a more interesting-sounding record. Think that sequencing might actually work.

Still wanna know what SS's sequence was for a 12-track Wowee Zowee.

isn't that in that book too? or am i imagining it.

It mentioned it, but didn't list it.

still no word on what's going to be on the terror twilight reissue? would be cool if there were godrich-free early versions of these songs.

Godrich ruined this record

i don't mind godrich too much, but he seems wholly unnecessary here.

if there were a poll of producer/performer mismatches I would put this somewhere near the top

speaking of that perfect sound forever book, there's a funny bit about the TT sessions where it says that Godrich never learned Bob Nastanovich's name...

wonder if there would've been a good producer fit for pavement? Obv they got Mitch Easter, but he didn't really do all that much to the sound, I don't think.

David Briggs

i think david briggs would've scared pavement.

you say that like it's a bad thing

yeah maybe not they probably were not scared by nigel godrich. i guess briggs did that royal trux record, so it could have happened had briggs live long enough!

this is a band whose virtues were fuzzy edges and elliptical gestures, hiring a cold-blooded British robot that likes things sleek and shiny was a total head-slapping moment. Godrich's favorite record production job is Hunky Dory for chrissakes

Man, the live versions, and even the 7" version of The Hexx sound so much heavier than the album version.

godrich's second best production work imo

(#1 is the silver sun debut)

Cream Of Gold is underrated I reckon

whn's the redux out?

did the band know they were about to break up when they made this record? i remember every review of it at the time mentioned malkmus going solo. whatebs i still enjoy it quite a bit. "folk jam" "spit on a stranger" "major leagues" and "my dreams are beige" are all great.

"spit on a stranger" from the original tracklisting woulda been a great swansong. shame they had to change it.

What's My Dreams Are Beige?

Cream of Gold, I suppose.

Finding myself enjoying this record more than I did initially. Ann Don't Cry/Billie/Speak, See, Remember are closer to b-sides than anything, and no great producer could have saved that uninspired sequence, in my opinion. The rest is pretty good/excellent.

no great producer could have saved that uninspired sequence

agree w this. some terrible lyrics in these too

brighten the corners completely opened up to me after 7 listens or so.. this one not so much. second side is not good. "cream of gold" has a good riff. if i had to pick one, it'd be "you are a light".

"ann don't cry" was really really good when i saw them live on the TT tour, though, really pastoral kind of grateful dead vibe.

"Folk jam" all the way for me. I enjoy the buildups, jamming, and singing.

A personal go to.

"You are a light" for my least favorite song. All around good album imo, not sure why ppl hate on it so much.

because Nigel Godrich is horrible and half the songs suck