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I love Dog Man Star best along with some of those amazing B-sides. This board really likes Coming Up and I did too when it came out. I have only pulled out the first two recently whenever I get the urge to play Suede. I need to play the later one to see if it really is just as good as the Bernard era.

Like others I was not interested when A New Morning came out. About a year after the release I found the import for real cheap and bought it. I really isn't that bad and was expecting something much worse. The problem was, just like the Tears, I rarely played it and don't have a complete evaluation of it. When you loaded the CD into your computer you could go to this web site and hear the original Tony Hoffer version of this album that the band aborted.

BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
No love for "Modern Boys"? I used to really like that one. It's a long story...

adamrl (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
In the "so that's what happened to the rest of them" category, Simon now drums for a Thai-based band called Futon. (Mat and Richard, who knows?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 August 2006 01:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Wikipedia says:

(2004-present) Post-break activity
(Tears stuff chopped)

Alex Lee played a short set with Patrick Duff at the Tsunami Appeal Gig at the Bristol Carling Academy on Saturday 19th February and continued to tour with him. He now plays guitar and keyboard with Placebo. Neil Codling has toured as keyboardist for pop singer Natalie Imbruglia and has played as a duo called Barry O'Niel compromising him and Harriet Cawley. Gilbert is currently the drummer for international band Futon, based out of Bangkok, Thailand while Osman plays for the U.K. rock band Mista Brown.

Brett Anderson also has confirmed that he has a self-titled solo album planned for early 2007.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 3 August 2006 09:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw Mat's name crop up in the credits of a TV show I was watching - whatever it was, he'd written the theme tune. Don't know about Richard, but I suppose he has time on his side.

LC (Damian), Thursday, 3 August 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

a duo called Barry O'Niel compromising him and Harriet Cawley

His participation sounds somewhat considered.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 August 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus, I'd already forgotten about that Tears business. Now that was truly horrible. Like a Suede tribute band who tried to write some songs to add to the oeuvre, but had no feel for hooks...

paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

dog man star + bernard tracks on sci-fi lullabies unquestionably >>>>>>>>>> all other brit-pop but what the hell is up with the first album? the production/mix is so flat and shit.. it boggles the mind as to why/how its b-sides sound so stellar! i only really like "animals nitrate" and "the next life" on the thing anyways..

winston, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 00:20 (fifteen years ago) link

i have visions of a rollicking extended full-band version of "the living dead" possibly with the "if i was the wife of an acrobat.." part as a refrain/chorus or something

winston, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link

also repping for billy mckenkie while dissing brent anderson = dud

winston, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 02:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Both names wrong. Good work.

Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 08:40 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Reforming! (minus Bernard obvs)

piscesx, Friday, 15 January 2010 12:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Beyond that one-off benefit gig?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 January 2010 12:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Nothing concrete so far. But i bet there'll be a small tour @ least.

piscesx, Friday, 15 January 2010 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought they would give it a few more years before reforming, especially as Brett has finally just put a really good solo album.

Kitchen Person, Friday, 15 January 2010 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Mr. Butler wishes them well.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 January 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Quick note for all -- friend of mine is flying in to London for the reunion and would like someone to go with on the 20th. Drop me a line if there's interest!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 March 2010 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

My memories of a lunch.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Brett I remember looking at the menu a bit with a very, very considered air. He looked…not totally unapproachable but definitely knowing that yes, he was the star, or at least a star. We chatted for a short bit after the meal was over and I remember him adding a drawing of his cat Fluffington to the promo photo of him sitting in his flat, so that’s a nice touch.

looooooooooool

I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

So the new 2 cd Best Of is out in a week or so. Biggest non festival UK gig ever at the O2 in December.
Artwork for the best of looks like this:
http://artcritical.com/DavidCohen/2008/images/peyton-september.jpg

Tracklist like this:
Disc One:

'Animal Nitrate'
'Beautiful Ones'
'Trash'
'Filmstar'
'Metal Mickey'
'New Generation'
'So Young'
'Wild Ones'
'Drowners'
'Stay Together'
'Lazy'
'Everything Will Flow'
'We Are The Pigs'
'Can't Get Enough'
'Electricity'
'Obsessions'
'She's In Fashion'
'Saturday Night'

Disc Two:

'Pantomime Horse'
'My Insatiable One'
'Killing Of A Flashboy'
'This Hollywood Life'
'Europe Is Our Playground'
'My Dark Star'
'Sleeping Pills'
'By The Sea'
'She'
'Heroine'
'The Living Dead'
'To The Birds'
'The Big Time'
'The Two Of Us'
'Asphalt World'
'Still Life'
'The Next Life'

Good job of compiling the hits on 1 disc and other good stuff on the other. Should have 'Moving' on it mind but hey ho.

piscesx, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link

like THIS rather

http://artcritical.com/DavidCohen/2008/images/peyton-september.jpg

piscesx, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link

'Positivity', a top 20 single, gets ignored. Presumably as the fans only bought it for the b-sides.

Morcheeba, simply happening. (PaulTMA), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Disc Two:

'Pantomime Horse'
'My Insatiable One'
'Killing Of A Flashboy'
'This Hollywood Life' Daddy's Speeding
'Europe Is Our Playground'
'My Dark Star'
'Sleeping Pills'
'By The Sea'
'She' High Rising
'Heroine'
'The Living Dead'
'To The Birds'
'The Big Time'
'The Two Of Us' 'He's Dead'
'Asphalt World'
'Still Life'
'The Next Life'

would be pretty much my ideal Suede

or maybe like just Sci-Fi Lullabies Disc One

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, it's a great selection but it needs 'He's Dead' and 'High Rising' so very much

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link

b-b--b-but "Sleeping Pills" is ker-lassic

the tune is space, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link

gonna plead ignorance on those three in the middle I've nixed - DMS, SFL and parts of the s/t are my jam wrt this band

wait 'sleeping pills' is on the s/t

ok reinstated

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link

'Daddy's Speeding' is so great.

sarahel, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^also this, it's the stealth highlight of DMS

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link

it kinda is the most evocative of all the songs on that album

sarahel, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I used to like that whole album so much - now I realise it's kinda only really about We Are The Pigs, Daddy's Speeding and The Asphalt World, maybe The Wild Ones too (also got a soft spot for Black Or Blue)

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link

the debut album was more consistently great

sarahel, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link

the songwriting improved greatly on DMS, imo. "the two of us" and "black and blue" really drag down the momentum of the album, though.
the production all over DMS is so classic. extra stuff like that unholy siren thing that comes in towards the end of "the power"... so cool.

blank, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Positivity', a top 20 single, gets ignored. Presumably as the fans only bought it for the b-sides.

― Morcheeba, simply happening. (PaulTMA), Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:42 AM

I still remember the disappointment of hearing that song for the first time. Their were a couple of really good B-sides on that single that were much better than anything on that last album. Simon was probably their last great song.

The second CD of this new Best of is a great collection songs but the main problem is the choices from Coming Up. That album is all about Picnic by the Motorway and The Chemistry Between us for me.

As for the B-sides I would like to see Together on there along with a few more from the Coming Up era, maybe Young Men, The Sound of the Streets or Every Monday Morning Comes.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 13:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Is anyone going to see them live this winter? I really wanted to, but didn't have the money.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link

just noticed that Breakdown didn't make this set - i feel like the petulant wail of "Does your love only come ... in a Volvo?" might be one of Suede's best lines.

sarahel, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Certainly one of their (intentionally) funniest.

Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link

The drama of swedish automotives.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link

You know, I just relistened to "She's in Fashion" – much better than I remembered.

raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Brett n Bernard have done the remastering job on the Best Of *together* according to today's NME.

i wouldn't bet against him popping onstage for the encore at the O2.

piscesx, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link

xp Noo! It's terrible, terrible. Could be the combo of hearing it every day on Virgin 1215 in my shitty teenage job, or that horrible advert it was on, but I think it's bad enough on its own merits. To me it seems to be one of their laziest self-parodying singles. Love pretty much everything else they did up til then, though.

Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Love the swirly "Indian" strings and Anderson's falsetto this time around.

raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Head Music is a strange but sometimes great album -- I stick by my claim that the B-sides from that period are often wonderful. I still love how "Let Go" ended up being a fluke Swedish hit in its own right.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, how great is this, stepping back a bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnANXROIGBo

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I still love that song.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Never saw it with Bernard but I count myself very lucky it was the final encore at the Dog Man Star show I caught, full band rendition. The place went nuts.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

And as long as we're talking alternate renditions of "Stay Together" B-sides:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELBkZK-PNZ0

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, here's something I scrounged up:

http://www.youtube.com/user/purplelazystarshine#p/c/9B33E41639289D65

It's a playlist of the 1997 fanclub show they did which was nothing but B-sides.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

It's been said before, but those pre-1995 b-sides would make their own godly Suede album.

raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Wow at those two live 'Stay Together' b-sides. What great singing, the balls to do that in indie in 1992 - brilliant!

Love Bernard's little solo there. MTV's Most Wanted had a few nice singer-and-guitarist sets around that time. There was an amazing Verve one that I remember - Nick McCabe was playing a HUGE lead far too loud but it worked great. Must try to track it down.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I saw Bernard and Brett do The Living Dead at Glastonbury when they were The Tears, it was actually pretty special.

I still listen to Suede a lot but I can't say I've listened to Head Music in the last 5 years or so. I did love it at the time, not sure how I'd feel about it now.

The first disc of Sci Fi Lullabies stands up so well and if it was an actual album I would have no problem putting it in my all time top 50, there isn't a bad song on it.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link


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