The Miracle of the Smiths

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"Yes, I'm THAT good."

(Actually, regular reader/sometime poster Melinda Mess-Injure is going to be presenting at this!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Yes they were a miracle.

I'm gonna have to kick your arses in a minute with Smiths talk. Just warning you.

Get Unbanned (Bimble), Saturday, 7 February 2009 20:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

"The death of a disco dancer
Well, it happens a lot 'round here
And if you think Peace
Is a common goal
That goes to show
How little you know

The death of a disco dancer
Well, I'd rather not get involved
I never talk to my neighbour
I'd rather not get involved "

Prescient, yes?

bidfurd, Sunday, 8 February 2009 20:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Just read this thread, really quite something, anyway there's a couple of question I would like to ask relating to the issues raised in this thread, there is talk of Morrissey and The Smith's "legacy". I was wondering how peoples view had changed taking into account his perhaps nostalgia based comeback and obviously Smiths / Moz indebted yet achingly conservative bands reclaiming the indie / NME world. There's a notion put forward here that provincial Britain as Moz understood no longer exists but these bands seem like a studied attempt to speak to / about provincial Britain in the way Moz did. Though The Libertines who I am thinking of her got derailed by their own myth pretty quickly without bring anything particularly interesting to the table. Whilst perhaps someone like The Streets does talk about provincial Britain in a way that doesn't reek of conservative nostalgia though of course it could be argued he is part of a very different tradition and a completely different vision of Britain. The lyrics of many You Are The Quarry songs suggest that Britain no longer exists for Morrissey as anything but memory and pastiche (Come Back To Camden, Irish Blood, English Heart)? But was it ever anything but that? This is reminding me of the thread on Bob Dylan if Dylan is the link between two eras is Morrissey a sort of link between two significantly different epochs of British cultural history, from mining to malls or something. From tin mines to Tescos? Corner shops to Co-Op?
― elwisty (elwisty), Saturday, 19 February 2005 19:06 (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^so glad this guy stopped posting

Limoncello Carlin (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Sunday, 8 February 2009 21:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

elwisty a villa fan by any chance?

Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Sunday, 8 February 2009 21:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's the other one, but I get them confused all the time as well tbh.

Limoncello Carlin (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Sunday, 8 February 2009 21:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

the miracle of this thread. best ilm thread ever?

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 8 February 2009 21:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

One of those great old threads where I look through it years later hoping, "Man, I hope I didn't say something really stupid during this terrific discussion." And I didn't say anything at all, thankfully.

Mark, Sunday, 8 February 2009 22:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

TBH I only recently started watching footage of early Smiths concerts. It is kind of incredible that this man was a pop star:

Not even like charmingly Michael Stipe-ish geekiness.

Sundar, Sunday, 8 February 2009 22:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

(Like, speaking as someone who's pretty awkward and unco-ordinated but harbours no ambitions to pop stardom.)

Sundar, Sunday, 8 February 2009 22:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Just academic stardom.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 February 2009 13:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

This thread was also amazingly self-renewing -- it had Nabisco, Dr C and Carmody writing great screeds early on, but years later the marvellous Mary could still pop up and write an even bigger one.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 February 2009 13:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

I think elwisty got the return and ? keys on his computer confused.

Ozman Bin Laden (Raw Patrick), Monday, 9 February 2009 13:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol aspergers

special guest stars mark bronson, Monday, 9 February 2009 13:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol you're a dick

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 10 February 2009 00:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Heads up -- from the folks who brought you the New Order/Joy Division Recycle blog:

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 14:29 (seven years ago) Permalink


tylerw, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 15:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Ned.

Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink


peacocks, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 16:19 (seven years ago) Permalink


he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 18:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Stoked for this.

more lunacy and witchcraft! (kkvgz), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 18:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hope some fans pick up the idea and do this for The Cure too.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I know it's in bad taste to go "OMG this thread is so good!!!"

But yeah, OMG this thread is so good!!!

FRESH MEAT (MFB), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 19:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

It is good! (today's stinking it up a bit, though)

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 20:03 (seven years ago) Permalink


Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 20:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

it was my emoticon, wasn't it ... :(

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 20:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Still no Smiths action figures...

Born too beguiled (DavidM), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 20:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sorry Ned, now I feel bad.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 20:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

actually wait a second, what is andy cairns from therapy and that guy from sum 41 doing in mozza's band?

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 20:57 (seven years ago) Permalink


seger ros (crüt), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 21:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

you know I looked at the name of that URL and still I thought it was going to be of action figures

people are for loving (HI DERE), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 21:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

As for "having a car with *'only'* a tape deck"... jeez. That's what I call living in the World's Only Remaining Superpower.

I still think of this post, often, when driving

Teddybears.SHTML (sic), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 00:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

in case you missed this:

Search and Destroy : New Order

Bee OK, Friday, 27 August 2010 04:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

umm, i missed it, but that is one of the most amazing album covers i've ever seen. please let that be real.

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Friday, 27 August 2010 04:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

To re-revive:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 October 2010 14:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't like the sound of Wnr Br0$ shutting their blog down. Surely they'd have bigger fish to fry.. ah well let's hope so.

Meanwhile there's a brilliant How To Buy The Smiths article right at the back of MOJO December issue which just came out in the uk. It goes for Hatful.. as the best album, as voted for by writers and members of MOJO forum. I concur!

piscesx, Saturday, 30 October 2010 10:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Heads up, folks. It's started:

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 31 October 2010 12:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

didn't really 'get' the smiths until recently - this will be a good way back in. cheers!

dayo, Sunday, 31 October 2010 12:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

i can see just from the first blog post that i'll be learning a few things here. and there was me fancying myself as some kind of Smiths expert!
what was Brixton Ace i wonder? never heard of it before.

piscesx, Sunday, 31 October 2010 19:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is going to be fun, those cover scans are incredible.

ILB's biggest fanboy for the SF Giants (Bee OK), Monday, 1 November 2010 01:33 (seven years ago) Permalink


piscesx, Monday, 1 November 2010 02:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

well i didn't think it possible to make the smiths interesting in 2010, but here we are

Sniiiiip! (electricsound), Monday, 1 November 2010 02:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

hand in glove was amazing, thanks for posting the updates about this...would have had no idea.

skip, Monday, 1 November 2010 03:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

shocked by how excited I am for this

Mark, Monday, 1 November 2010 03:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

had no idea about a planned RATF single. Jeane was always a brilliant song. one of the few lesser known B sides thanks to it's exclusion from the 80's era compilations.

piscesx, Monday, 1 November 2010 04:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like how dismissive the post is about morrissey

dayo, Monday, 1 November 2010 04:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I find it weird that someone could be a smiths fanboy w/o being a morrissey fanboy, at least on some level

iatee, Monday, 1 November 2010 05:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not really -- I've encountered enough people over time who are very explicitly all about Marr and the music above all else, and who really don't bother with Morrissey solo much. They're a smaller and much less visible group of Smiths fans than the expected norm, but they're there.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 November 2010 05:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

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