Punk: Is it dead?

I mean the strawman didn't spring from nowhere, tsk

The upper crusty stereotype does have some validity I think. I know back in Glasgow in the 80s I knew a whole bunch of crusty punks, some of whom were from upper middle class families or even upper class backgrounds. Others were from slums. But I think it says more about the pressure in the UK to "know your place" that this situation is accepted as self-evidently hypocritical. TBH their position was very much "it's not where you're from, it's where you're at", which is absolutely fine with me.

(haha I've spent the last six hours listening to this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Three-Score-Ten-Voice-People/dp/B002HRE0F0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1255044915&sr=1-1 so I'd've done well to forget British working class leftists)

xpost: Comes from nowhere? Seriously, do you really feel that individuals, yourself included, can have no awareness of their own oppression unless stirred up to revolt against their rightful rulers by bored, sadistic aristocrats? You must hate yourself an awful lot.

I went to school in UC Santa Cruz, which is a haven for this type of shit, and I can tell you I had PLENTY of fellow students who were from comfortable middle class backgrounds (parents paying tuition, etc.) who would travel to SF to sleep in the park and cop speed and whatnot. I know at least one of these people basically went crazy and became full-time homeless. Another one (my sophomore year roommate) died before turning 21. Others just became ravers/tweakers. Most annoying fucking people ever.

I think yr misinterpreting DJ Mens, souk.

Anyway, I don't even have a problem with relatively well-off kids adopting hobo lifestyles. Kids are inherently pretentious, always looking for some way to be cool and a place to fit in. They often do some silly shit in sorting all that out, but as long as their hearts are in the right place, I'm basically okay with whatever. Plus I don't give spare change to crusty street kids on general principle.

No. This is not about Anarchism or Socialism as a passing phase. I know plenty of people, of all classes, who are in this for life. Don't confuse it for a six-month student pose. If you love UK punk, you must understand this, it is absolutely part of the story and applies to the early death/doom scene as well. Reading "Please Kill Me", what struck me was how scared (and incredulous) NY punks were by The Clash. Their kind of leftism was part of the scenery in the UK in the 70's, and they couldn't understand it at all.

Agree with all that. But the existence of leftist lifers doesn't disprove the existence of those for whom is IS a passing phase. Lots of kids of all backgrounds go through a "radical" phase that they eventually outgrow. Rich kids do it, poor kids do it, and kids in the middle do it. Same is true of the lifers. They come from a variety of economic/social backgrounds.

Hmmm. I'm thinking about the folks who don't wash for years on end and get weird tattoos on their necks when they're high on mushrooms. It's not a passing phase. Even if they grow out of it it is something that's part of them wherever they go to next. It's often too intense to simply walk away from. I think that's what Soukesian is talking about too. It was a passing phase for me to hang out with them that's for sure, but then the Stretcheads couldn't keep performing for ever.

I actually think the "lifers" are the majority, in the UK at least. And, actually, if your 'economic background" leaves you hungry or disadvantaged, I don't think it's a coincidence that you might be statistically more likely to think that there might be something wrong with that.

Hey, did I mention that I get free health care?

"You can, but the process is longer, more painful, and infinitely more drawn out than it seems like it's going to be when you're 17."

i said, people went local and inward.

But we didn't give up.

i didn't say that either. people found other more productive ways to change things. if change is what they were truly after. and sometimes this simply meant a spiritual change. not giving up really. maybe giving in a little sometimes.

Brit far-left dig in their heels more, for sure. It's reflexive, may be less considered, but a lot more joyous than the American far-left. At least in my limited experience.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2018/10/10/how-punk-rock-can-revitalize-human-resources

if it wasn't before, it is now

Dis-rupt!

Dressed in multicolored pants, combat boots and spiked leather bracelets, SAP’s Chief Human Resources Officer, Stefan Ries proudly strut onto the stage of the MGM Park Theater in Las Vegas to the strains of “Bring Me to Life” by Evanesence.

Ries was here to pump up of thousands of HR professional in attendance for the annual SAP SuccessConnect event, but a more important mission statement soon emerged, emblazoned across his black tee shirt: “HR Punks.”

“The heart of the human revolution is us,” said Ries. “The old days of HR are over. Today onward we need to revolutionize and the best people who can do this are HR punks.”

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5bbde1134bbe6f7684a6744d/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

imagine how excruciatingly embarrassing it would be to be one of this guy's children

oh god i'm so depressed

have you considered cheering yourself up by strapping on some spiked leather bracelets and strutting proudly to the strains of 'bring me to life' by evanesence?

imagine getting fired by some cunt in a clown costume

punke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W8h4W6IBGc

imagine getting fired by some cunt in a clown costume

"Glad to see you go go go go goodbye/ Glad to see you go go go go goodbye"

Struggling to think of a single figure from the punk era who wouldn't have been an HR nightmare. Strummer maybe.

broke: punk
woke: steampunk
bespoke: hrpunk

(xp) Glen Matlock obv.

skrewdriver were good at following orders iirc

pogo in the boardroom!

(but only when your stocks go up)

Line Manager Sensible

http://www.cvltnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Bad-Brains-1979-.jpg

true punk HR

"We're moving the HR Department, the general opinion among the management team is that the ground floor should be used for more front facing departments and the 1st floor for finance and upper management, do you or your team have any objections?"

"I Don't Wanna Go Down to the Basement"

how perry como can revitalize human resources.

Struggling to think of a single figure from the punk era who wouldn't have been an HR nightmare. Strummer maybe.

Strummer would go AWOL to Europe for weeks to hide from his boss, but at least he never stuck up for his subordinates when they were being bullied incessantly in the workplace

that is a hilarious forbes article

old punker fite - https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/03/johnny-rotten-and-marky-ramone-fight/

Yes

Legit beef or staged?

what a surprise I'm on Team Everybody but John fucking Lydon

I don't think it was staged, Marky looked genuinely mad

Assume Lydon just likes to insult people, especially turning it on whilst in Johnny Rotten character and, much like a Don Rickles audience, you’re expected to play along.

Johnny Rotten really looks like a potato.

Eh...I guess you would not expect any different a result. One thing I always got that was Lydon blamed the nyc punk rock junkies for hooking Sid bad onto smack, so it was not unexpected for him to be hostile to an old nyc punk. Marky also threw some shade towards in the MC5 in that exchange too.

Marky obv. from the apolitical it's only rock 'n' roll school but Lydon is talking garbage, of course.

Before the PiL show last year there was a $50 meet n greet, I assume it was just a few minutes of personalized abuse from Lydon.

Marky is an oaf, Lydon is a clown

And oh I don’t lol why

And oh I don’t lol why

TBH kinda was hoping Marky would get up and deck Rotten that whole time