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I have to say that the new core 2 duo 24" imac is sore tempting me towards a purchase (despite paying UK price I also get the edu discount so makes it a bit sweeter). I recently bought in a load of (whisper it) C2D Dell Precision 390s for academics at my workplace and they are stupidly fast, prompting good comments from even notorious grumblers - can anyone confirm if the imacs also have this real, perceptible feeling of "money well spent" in terms of speed?

― Bill A (Bill A), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't care. I have an external FW800 drive that's 7200.

Chris, don't be a dunce... you know that perceived slowness in normal operations will come from the having a slow disk with the OS on it. 7200 rpm on an external is only going to help you for copying those 4 gig hentai mpgs

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 03:41 (seventeen years ago) link

This isn't the I Hate Apple thread, but my Mac Pro resonates and it's driving me nuts. The hard-drive sled design looks nifty-cool, but apparently transfers every rattle and hum of the drives onto removable side of the case. I can either sit with my foot against the side or fund a piece of rubber to fit somewhere.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

now that they've switched to intel chips will there finally be microsoft access for OSX??

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 04:46 (seventeen years ago) link

the educational pricing thing always bums me out. only 12.5% off? i get a better discount at the bookstore!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 04:48 (seventeen years ago) link

you know that perceived slowness in normal operations will come from the having a slow disk with the OS on it.

Dumb question then. Is the SATA internal drive bus speed all that more awesome on the Mac Books than on previous models? I switched out the internal 4200 on my PowerBook G4 with a 5400 and noticed zero performance difference. Yeah yeah I know, the PBG4 has Ultra ATA and all that...

The 4GB hentai mpgs have been superseded by full res images from the LA Library archives.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

now that they've switched to intel chips will there finally be microsoft access for OSX??

if you run windows on it, yes. i don't think the chip is the hinderance to this.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 05:23 (seventeen years ago) link

well the old risc chips couldn't handle 32-bit ODBC

or so claimed the local "genius"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

a more commonsense explanation that appeals better to me was that nobody was willing to write drivers for it. not sure which.

i'd sure like MS access for OSX, though. fuck a dual OS!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 05:38 (seventeen years ago) link

well the old risc chips couldn't handle 32-bit ODBC

It was more a case of there not being enough demand on the Apple platform (for good reason, Access is only really useful for the PC-dominated office world anyway). Don't expect it to be ported to OS X any time soon. Just install Parallels or something.

― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 05:43 (seventeen years ago) link

well the old risc chips couldn't handle 32-bit ODBC

I've spent entire days setting up database drivers and I have no idea what the hell this means, other than throwing "risc," "32-bit," and "ODBC" into the same sentence makes you sound really technical.

― mh. (mike h.), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd sure like MS access for OSX, though. fuck a dual OS!

B-b-b-but FIleMaker!

(posted only because I make my living as a FileMaker developer)

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahaha you would.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

New laptop was waiting for me when I arrived back home. Took a couple hours to migrate over and now I have all my usual apps running and am barely using up 8% processor capacity.

Er, wow!

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

By way of a speed test, I fired up BOINC and timed how long it took to process a SETI@Home work unit: 21 minutes...

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

what does it usually take? and what are your usual apps?

I WANTS.

you have the c2d mbp right?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

what does it usually take?

10 hours on my old PB G4 1.5

and what are your usual apps?

Mail, Safari, NetNewsWire, iCal, iTunes, Xtorrent, FileMaker, BluePhoneElite, Skype

you have the c2d mbp right?

Yeah

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

how much RAM?

that's all kind of exciting... i'm running a 1ghz PB now and that bump sounds WAY worth it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

how much RAM?

2GB. I ended up succumbing to the peer pressure upthread and got the 160GB/5400 drive

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

did you go for the 2.16 or the 2.33?

way i see it the 2.33 isn't THAT much more if you're going to go for 2gb/160gb anyway

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i bought the 1.66GHz mini for a software testing job and i can confidently say that OS X is nigh unusable with 512MB of RAM. running just safari and powerpoint brought it to its knees! i'm not impressed. even with a single app running the thing is sluggish as hell.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm running osx on 512, have done for 3 years, it's totally usable.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

(ideal? no)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i do like the interface. but it's like a rolls royce with square tires.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The new little shuffle will be on my doorstep this evening. yowza!

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

You're running a PPC-only program through Rosetta (Powerpoint), fortunate hazel. That alone will eat up all of your RAM.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, and the integrated video is taking a bite too.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

2.16 or 2.33, elvis?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

2.16 or 2.33, elvis?

2.33

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm still undecided! as it turned out i'd done the math wrong and it's more like a ~$300 difference... worth it??

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

for a 166MHz (8%) speed bump $300 is not worth it. keep in mind your video ram doubles if you get the 2.33GHz MBP though... it could be clocked faster as well. that might be worth the money, if you plan to play 3D games.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i might play some on windows... but how much video ram is de rigueur for gaming these days?

and does will video ram impact video editing... rendering... etc?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

elvis how is your display?

any sign of this "graininess"/uneven illumination issue i've been hearing about?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 12 November 2006 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link

elvis how is your display?

Much brighter compared to my old PowerBook

any sign of this "graininess"/uneven illumination issue i've been hearing about?

Nothing that I've noticed here (and from what I've heard, those issues are pretty isolated)

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

the ones i looked at in the store looked a bit... "sparkly" i guess but i couldn't tell if that's what ppl were talking about.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

the ones i looked at in the store looked a bit... "sparkly" i guess but i couldn't tell if that's what ppl were talking about.

Were they the glossy or matte finish screens? (I can't stand the glossy ones)

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 08:52 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

Remember guys, the first 30 years were ONLY THE BEGINNING.

Do you think there'll be a PHONEPOD or not?

Leopard? iTV for real? Nothing?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

iTV seems a shitty idea.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:24 (seventeen years ago) link

ITV already is a shitty idea in the UK

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a brilliant idea! Well, it's a pretty obvious idea, but done well I'd love to have it. I would love to be able to beam all the video I download on my mac to my TV. I end up burning DVD-Rs and wotnot at the moment.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, and I want everything made in ZIRCONIUM.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:28 (seventeen years ago) link

All of the predicted possibilities seem pretty boring to me.

― g00blar (gooblar), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd be interested in the phone if they did something revolutionary with it. If it's a bog standard phone then forget it, but if it is blackberry+treo+iPod+Mac then I am interested.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Bah, that ZDNet commentary is rubbish.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: I can't manage to get my email to work on my phone. :-( I asked the phone shop but they said I had to get online and register. I keep telling'em there's an error page when I do. :-(

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

if you have POP/IMAP access to your mail you should be able to do it from the phone without using their website.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

whatever they call it, the iTV will be ace. the techy bit of that is making "802.11n" official i guess. (faster wifi).

i have never believed the apple phone bollox. i don't mind being wrong about this. i always thought they should be pushing skype (owned by google now right, and apple hearts google?).

my fave prediction is the thin mac book. it seems on the border of being possible.

zirconium? molybdenum or nothing.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe eBay owns Skype.

― treefell (treefell), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye. eBay owns Skype.

I could see the 10.5 version of iChat including a SIP-capable VOIP client. Something like what the Gizmo Project offers.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway, get ready to play 2007 Keynote Bingo
http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits.ars/2007/1/7/6514

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

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