Don't be fooled by the eyes, lovebug!
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 29 June 2007 03:10 (sixteen years ago) link
As a matter of fact, Reid's most recent records are go-for-broke weirdo fusion that works just fine for me.
I don't doubt that... thanks for the tip!
― Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 29 June 2007 03:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw Jim Hall not too long ago. The show was kind of a let down, actually.
― Nathan, Friday, 29 June 2007 04:46 (sixteen years ago) link
He's kind of hit or miss as a leader - sometimes I question his taste in sidemen, arrangements etc.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 29 June 2007 05:01 (sixteen years ago) link
i can imagine that Jim Hall can fall pretty easily into the EZ listening category -- but his stuff with Sonny Rollins, Undercurrent w/ Bill Evans and the Alone Together record w/ Ron Carter are all pretty sweet. It probably just takes someone pushing him outside of ye olde comfort zone.
― tylerw, Friday, 29 June 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Also good w/Art Farmer.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 29 June 2007 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Whoa, have you guys ever heard Herbie Mann - Memphis Underground? Sonny Sharrock comes out of nowhere on "Hold On, I'm Coming," which just played on my Pandora.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link
never heard that one. herbie mann's record covers scare me.
― tylerw, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I like all the Herbie Mann albums with Sonny -- don't forget Roy Ayers and Miroslav Vitous were in the band too!! ... 'Windows Open' is a good'un .. also one of the live ones gets pretty hot. Not the live one titled 'Hold On I'm Comin' (which i think was just ok), but the other one.
― Stormy Davis, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― ILX System, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Nels Cline 3, Joe Pass 0
― Johnny Hotcox, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean, come on
Wow guys.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
sorta shocked grant green pulls ahead of wes
yr all just hating on the beatles covers
― deej, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
hey grant did beatles covers too! i think he stole the arrangements from Wes, matter of fact.
― tylerw, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link
ilm's dirty acid jazz past revealed at last. why wasn't boogaloo joe jones number two?
― scott seward, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link
ILM: Soft on jazz
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 30 June 2007 05:45 (sixteen years ago) link
well, yeah!
― Saxby D. Elder, Saturday, 30 June 2007 06:05 (sixteen years ago) link
The version of "Airegin" from Incredible Jazz Guitar is another one of those songs that gets stuck in my head really often. I'd say at least once a week.
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 30 June 2007 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Grant Green didn't get desperate and making loads of unfortunate musical mis-steps until long after Wes was dead. I doubt he was the winner of this poll for his "acid jazz" material, he was just a bloody great player is all. Was he better than Wes (or Django or Charlie Christian for that matter)? Maybe not... But there is a good reason that he is the winner.
Question: did the people who voted for him do so because of his pre-1970 material (as I did) or post?
― Saxby D. Elder, Saturday, 30 June 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link
i actually can't remember if i voted for Grant or not, but I may have -- I like both eras of his playing, though, yeah, there is some dumb 70s stuff. Some great 70s stuff too! "The Final Comedown"! Pre-fusion era, "Idle Moments" is a stone cold classic.
― tylerw, Saturday, 30 June 2007 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link
re Wes "mis-steps"? What, the A&M stuff? Because if you're talking about the Verve albums, you're mistaken. Those smoke just as much as the earlier records. They just have different arrangements--the playing is the same, if not better. This "early Wes" vs "late Wes" trope that has been around for years, and it's totally stale. The verve records are *great*, and how many A&M albums are there, two tops?
I love Grant, but he'll always be second banana to Wes. Wes is just twice as exciting. I've never heard Green do a chord-melody, or an octave solo. He's very one-dimensional compared to Wes.
― Johnny Hotcox, Saturday, 30 June 2007 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link
OTM. Incredible Jazz Guitar alone trumps Grant Green's entire oeuvre, and who cares if he made "musical missteps" (i.e. paid the bills) later.
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link
These Wes Montgomery live records are really hot. It is why I voted for Wes.
Smokin' at the Half Note Full House Complete Live in Paris 1965
― earlnash, Sunday, 1 July 2007 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link
no doubt, wes was amazing!
― Saxby D. Elder, Sunday, 1 July 2007 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah the live Europe stuff is just insane. Wes is one of the very few guys who consistently pins the "WTF did you just hear that?" meter
― Johnny Hotcox, Sunday, 1 July 2007 21:34 (sixteen years ago) link
if Wes has any drawbacks, it's that he's almost too good, and too fluid. it could get boring, I suppose. he never makes a mistake. he's like Bird.
Green is a much more hesitant player, which brings another aspect to it. You can hear more of the ANGUISH of life through Grant's playing. I think that's why people are attracted to him. Wes is more like an alien from another planet.
― Johnny Hotcox, Sunday, 1 July 2007 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link
"Blue n' Boogie" on Full House is so killer. The section at the end where Wes and Johnny Griffin play back and forth off of each other is really exciting.
It is a shame that some of the SF dates that Wes did with Coltrane never got recorded. I bet those were pretty hot.
― earlnash, Monday, 2 July 2007 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, this is why I like GG just a bit better. OTM!
― Saxby D. Elder, Monday, 2 July 2007 06:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I have had wet dreams about this for years.
― Oilyrags, Monday, 2 July 2007 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm sure glad I voted in this one, otherwise poor Barney would have been left out in the cold.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
You folks who didn't vote for Charlie Christian are flat-out fools.
― BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 21:20 (sixteen years ago) link
hmmm, well the pollster didn't actually ask a question like "who is your favorite" or "who is best" or "most influential". Here I go then...
Most influential: Charlie Christian Best: Wes Montgomery My favorite: Johnny Smith My favorite in the poll: Grant Green Most innovative in a modern setting: James Blood Ulmer Most technically gifted: perhaps Joe Pass
― Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link
destruction terror and mayhem
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:33 (fifteen years ago) link
When I first picked up the guitar back in 01 I bought a guitar magazine and saw this transcribed in it. Didn't take note of the tempo, learned it ultra super duper slow. Then I heard it.
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:34 (fifteen years ago) link
And realized that uh I would never play it. I saved the transcription and I still come back to it once or twice a year to see if I'm up to speed yet, but goddamn. Also lol @ "Flight of the Bumblebee"
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:36 (fifteen years ago) link
these poll results are weird! grant green is usually underrated
― deej, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Pat Martino...
My guitar teacher told me that he was in some kind of severe accident where he completely lost his ability to play and completely re-learned. Also something about him having some weird system where he can spell words in his mind with the notes of his solos.
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 10:35 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, his story is made-for-tv-movie level fascinating.
― Jordan, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Why does most jazz guitar SOUND so shitty? So many guys on this list either have unsatisfying and weak "clean" sounds or use obnoxious effects to cover up the flaws. Only a handful make a really satisfying sound with their instrument, either clean or with effects.
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Never learned how many votes Django ended up with (still can't believe he was left off the original ballot).
― Jazzbo, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Looks like 3
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Bucky's appearing tonight at the Bella Luna restaurant on the Upper Westside, where he will be dueting with Jack Wilkins, who didn't even make the ballot.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link
man, if they were playing an hour later i'd drop by. as it is i won't be off til 9:30.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 23:02 (fifteen years ago) link
(which makes two different shows i'm missing tonight because they're playing too early. wtf new york?)
It hurts me to do so but I think I really disagree with Hurting 2 about the sound of jazz guitarists. Question: Are you comparing them to rock guitarists? (You very well may not be.) I feel that many people take rock guitar sounds, which are almost always deadened by amps, as a standard for the sound of the electric guitar. The instrument has more to offer sonically!
― Sundar, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 23:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder if you went over to that gig and sat at the bar you could catch the tail end, Jesse.
In other news another non-poll maker, Gene Bertoncini, is appearing tomorrow with strings at the Jazz Standard.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 01:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Question: Are you comparing them to rock guitarists? (You very well may not be.)
No, I'm more comparing them to the sounds of other jazz instruments. I find guitar (in the hands of most) to be one of the least-satisfying sounds in jazz -- it's usually so dynamically flat and often fails to blend properly with the band. It too often sound more like a note machine than a real instrument.
― Comprehensive Nuclear Suggest-Ban Treaty (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Hurting, if you are not too buried under your lawbooks you should come out one night to see some solo jazz guitar so you can be proven wrong. Although actually I think you do have a point.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Didn't notice this, so Charlie Byrd missed a well-deserved vote.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link