Armond White:"Can Jay-Z and Diddy save hip hop?"

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Did you like it for the same reasons or is he just insane?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I like it mostly despite the things he talks about liking. Yes, he is insane.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

So I figured.

Seriously, looking at the original article again, what the flying fuck. You couldn't have done a better parody article on the subject if you tried.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, looks like I didn't like Duets either, sorry.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Strangely I agree with him some of the time, but he clearly not only thinks he's right about everything, and that not only is everyone else wrong, everyone else is morally suspect and possibly evil.

He has a hard-on for DePalma, Altman, Walter Hill, Alan Rudolph, Tupac, the Smiths, and few others.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Having a hard-on for Alan Rudolph makes you morally suspect in my book.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Sure hope he googles himself and comes here and complains. I'll be deeply entertained!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck him for liking shit like Afterglow and Welcome to LA.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

The funny part about the New York Press is that he and the other critic (Matt Zoller Seitz) don't seem to like each other, judging from the occasional sniping. Seitz is actually one of my favorite film critics. A more lucid thinker, a better writer, and his opinions always seem to be his own, he's never reacting against what others have said about the film in question.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

For the record, I think Walter Hill and Brian Depalma are underrated, too. Altman is overrated though (except for Nashville and McCabe and Mrs. Miller which can't be overrated enough.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The "99 Problems" video is cool, but no one should be paying any attention to Armond White. As a (film) critic, he's so far up his own bungy that he can say "hi!" to Thanksgiving Dinner.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 13 May 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear OTM about MZS

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 13 May 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Though the image of some "wiggers" shouting out Puffy as he enters Stage Left is pretty fun.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 13 May 2004 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

my favorite Armond White review is for American Beauty, he went real apeshit on that one and for the most part I agree.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 13 May 2004 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

He was made that it was too mean, right? (I'm just guessing.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 13 May 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

made=mad

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 13 May 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

There was another overblown piece about this video in the Sunday NYT too.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 13 May 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

first off, "stigmatization is perpetuated..." fuck that shit. jay-z just has talent like louie armstrong, or whoever that trumpet player was who blew in front of all white bands and audiences. duke ellington! it's a total white-guy "keeping it real" retard notion. i can't believe this

I actually like his movie reviews. I mean he doesn't shy away from letting you know how he really feels. Also, they tend to be pretty memorable. I think I see his "overblown tendencies" as strong emotional resposes. Not what you usually get with movie reviews, i guess unless you count "hated it" or "loved it."

strong emotional responses are overblown tendencies when you can't write well. so many words i'd rather read "hated it" or "loved it" with a picture of him smiling smarmy, lips hiding teeth, eyes hollow. hated it!

$corpium ($corpium), Thursday, 13 May 2004 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

key phrases redux:

1) "partake in its spectacle"

$corpium ($corpium), Thursday, 13 May 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

1) "...partake in its spectacle"
2) "the familiar edifice of ghetto-fabulous determinism"
3) "pauses for condescension"

$corpium ($corpium), Thursday, 13 May 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

first off, "stigmatization is perpetuated..." fuck that shit. jay-z just has talent like louie armstrong, or whoever that trumpet player was who blew in front of all white bands and audiences. duke ellington! it's a total white-guy "keeping it real" retard notion. i can't believe this

(1) lots of black musicians played in all-white clubs during the '20s and '30s; not sure what yr overriding point there is.

(2) Armond White is, in fact, black.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 13 May 2004 06:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(a photo and interview: http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/winter2004/features/the_critic.html)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 13 May 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i was gonna say, the guy is black.

i actually don't like reading his essays per se but he sometimes has short little pieces in film comment that are ok, sometimes he has interesting reasons for talking about something. his taste is really perverse and unpredictable, which is good and bad.

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 13 May 2004 06:54 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

while he did throw shapes abt these indie bands to drum up publicity for blueprint 3, the common source of this for both jay-z & d projectors is probably new-agey self-help stuff. it's a p ancient idea.

tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link

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nakhchivan, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link

haha!

tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

Armond on The Smiths' Girlfriend in a Coma

flappy bird, Friday, 11 August 2017 04:22 (six years ago) link

God I hate to be "well actually" but girlfriend in a coma isn't even in the top 10 of controversial morrissey/smiths songs

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 11 August 2017 06:51 (six years ago) link

i've never been a fan of armond but that was a pretty decent piece imo

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 11 August 2017 07:23 (six years ago) link

did we ever get this sorted lads

for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 11 August 2017 08:33 (six years ago) link

somewhere in my hellsite of a flat i have a copy of a new york city sun (from 1992 i guess?) which contains two long articles by armond white (while it lasted he was its critic-in-chief)

1: is a long detailed look at malcolm x the historical figure and malcolm x the movie
2: the other is a long favourable look at morrissey, who AW was very evidently drawn to

given both their subsequent trajectories i think this is both telling and -- to be fair to AW -- perceptive

(the movie came out the exact month of the madstock/union jack controversy, which is where inklings of doubt did begin elsewhere; can't recall if the city sun piece discusses this or predates it; should probably look it out and report back, perhaps a month off-line wd do me good)

mark s, Friday, 11 August 2017 10:45 (six years ago) link


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