Why are Japanese films so terrible?

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I am about to watch Kiyoshi Kurosawa's "Cure". What should I expect?

the best movie ever!! well second best. but certianly the scariest. hook up your player to your stereo if you can because the soundtrakc is crazy like eraserhead.

:| (....), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I watched akira kurosawa's 'throne of blood' today, strangely apposite that he should change the ending of macbeth so that the army do not advance on the fort and kill the macbeth character but (haha naively hopeful? idealistic?! sigh) he has the mad crazy tyrant's own troops revolt and gun him down in a hail of arrows, eventually (haha holy figurative guacamole batman!) being speared through the throat (or voice-box) literally 'silenced'. would that republicans watched kurosawa.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the film ok by the way and I'm not normally trapped into such ropey reductive mathematical nuts bolts brass tacks addition and subtraction analysis of films but I thought it kinda apt just this once to say. you know, it stuck in my craw.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

you've changed.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I can change back.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

damn we should have watched that on halloween rather than the comparatively unfrightening albeit good The Dead Zone

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

It wasn't as good as I remembered, frankly.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

you've changed.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

a private eye who is flamboyantly gay in a prussian way

I wish I understood what this meant.

xpost I know

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

imagine john banner from hogans heroes channelign alan cumming and youre almost there. have you seen cure already?

:| (....), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

No, still at work.

adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.buddycom.com/dinos/images/trexruns.gif

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I just watched Kinji Fukasaku's Blackmail Is My Life, it was a lot of fun, even if a couple of parts didn't make sense (which I think was a problem with the subtitling). I need to get the other two DVDs of his that just got released.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 7 November 2004 08:47 (nineteen years ago) link

And Ozu makes it hard for me to remember if I've seen a particular film, since every other one is called 'Late Spring' or 'Early Autumn' or 'That Bit Just Before Winter When All The Leaves Have Finally Fallen But It's Not That Cold Yet' or something like that.

Late Spring is just sooooo good. I can understand why younger directors rebeled against Ozu because he was very *tranquil* but still Ozu rules! :-)

We also saw Audition which wasn't perfect but still very good. Also about Japanese society.

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 7 November 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Kiyoshi Kurosawa's "Pulse" has been released from Miramax Purgatory -- playing in a few cities, DVD shortly. I saw it 3 years ago, and a couple shots in particular haunts me still.

Prob'ly off to see Mizoguchi's "Sansho the Bailiff" tonight...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I just sprung for the Criterion Ugetsu the other day.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

sansho is so great

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

The 47 Ronin was on recently, but I didn't get around to watching it.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Koji Wakamatsu's 'Go Go Second-Time Virgin' from 1969 is harsh stuff but worth tracking down if you like Miike's 'Audition' and 'Visitor Q'

I've been overdosing on the 3 DVD set of Toshio Matsumoto's Experimental Film Works 1961-1987. I can't believe I didn't know about this guy, utterly beautiful abstract film & video works all set to blazing period electronic scores -- expensive but worth it -- if you're only getting one, get Volume 2

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Wild Zero is endlessly classic.

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

haven't seen Matsumoto's Funeral Parade of Roses yet though

Black Lizard, one of my favorite films. not on this thread yet. I think there are very few people on this thread who wouldn't love that film.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Go Go Second-Time Virgin" is OK, but the Wakamatsu interview included on the DVD is golden!

Wild Zero is amazing!

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Polysix Bad Battery (cprek), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Companion threads:

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Jews got no sense of humor. Am I right?

Why is our president so damn smart?

M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Why are Brazilians so bad at soccer?

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

have we done a why are american films so terrible?

we should

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
anyone seen any imai tadashi?

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Not I.

I watched Mizoguchi's Sisters of the Gion last night... short, bleak and grim. I prefer his '30s visual palette to Ozu's or Naruse's.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Swa Kobayashi's Harakiri the other night -- yow, that early bamboo sword scene...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

"Vital" convinced me that Tsukamoto is the best director since Tarkovsky.

shieldforyoureyes (shieldforyoureyes), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Morbz, Sleep and I are going to go see this Sunday:

http://www.subwaycinema.com/frames/nyaff06_yokai.htm

$9 + $1 if you buy online

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave - that's the guy who did Tetsuo, yes (I think Netflix messed up the Romanization of his name)?

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

responding to haterz upthread

Was Ichi the Killer that hard to follow? I didn't think so. The special effects in it were silly/bad but it was fairly easy to follow if you don't let the ambiguity about Ichi's past get your panties in a bunch.

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Tsukamoto directed Tetsuo. He also acts in most of his films (he's
the metal-fetishist they hit with the car in Tetsuo) as well as others
(he plays Ichi's handler in Ichi the Killer). He also does all his own
camera work.

shieldforyoureyes (shieldforyoureyes), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon, I was only tempted by It's Only Talk, and dint even get to that. Miike's been kinda silly and below-par lately.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

i forgot to go :(

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:04 (seventeen years ago) link

It is indeed an enduring mystery that despite the formula of Dinosaur fighting Robot being the scientifically proven best use of cinema, films where it happens are a bit rubbish. I conclude that film is still an art form in its infancy.
-- Tom (ebro...), August 1st, 2001.

^^ best and most truthful post on an ile film thread ever

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I received a birthday gift from overseas this weekend:

A Taxing Woman 2xDVD edition
Tanpopo 2xDVD edition
Eureka DVD
Seishun Dendekedekedeke (The Rocking Horsemen?) DVD

The Itami special editions came out in celebration of his death (!?!), the Eureka DVD is an aspect remaster from the crummy version from a few years ago, and the last one is one of my favorite movies that hasn't been exported (no subtitles, eek)... starring an 18y/o Tadanobu Asano in his first studio role for all you Miike nuts.

I'm open to any drama/comedy/thriller (non-monster, non-horror, non-samurai, non-yakuza, non-anime please!) recommendations.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

will any mizoguchi besides ugetsu ever get a dvd reissue? i really want to see sansho.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i watched Ping Pong over the weekend. which was about table tennis and not to be confused, like whoever did the tivo listings, with the 1986 film about a chinese lawyer. contained no monsters.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

some films i've seen recently & enjoyed:
Shimotsuma Monogatari (Kamikaze Girls) - comedy about the friendship that develops between a biker girl and a girl who's obsessed with 18th century rococo fashion. very funny, quite surreal in parts.
Love Letter - girl is looking through the high school book of her dead fiance, and finds his old address. she sends him a "i miss you" letter - and receives a reply. slow but very moving, i'm dreading the day hollywood buys the script & butchers it.
Tokyo gomi onna (Tokyo Garbage Girl) - girl is obsessed with the guy who lives upstairs, goes through his trash every day. be warned, this is very slow moving & not a lot happens - i loved it though.
i want more Mizoguchi as well, i've only seen Ugetsu & Sansho which are awesome.
also : wrongest thread title ever.

zappi (joni), Monday, 26 June 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Since Shinya Tsukamoto and "Ichi the Killer" have been mentioned in the same thread...

I just wanted to point out the simply wonderful fact that the blob of rape-fetishist-peeping-top semen in which the title credit for "Ichi the Killer" appears is, in fact, REAL HUMAN SEMEN.

And Tsukamoto "donated" it.

Just, you know, FYI...

:)

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Monday, 26 June 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen PLENTY of movies with real human semen.

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Dandy.

But me, I've even seen it a few times IN REAL LIFE.

Top that, tough guy...

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

What's that, a reality show or something?

dr lulu (dr lulu), Monday, 26 June 2006 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i just saw the 'new' yamada film the hidden blade the other night. somewhat garden variety and ponderous, but enough samurai to make it worthwhile, especially the "don't move him-- he's probably a sea of blood inside" maneuver..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link

A lot of foreign film afficionados tend to get miffed that Kurosawa gets
discussed endlessly, while many other great Japanese directors are ignored.
But Kurosawa's so damn good it's hard to find fault with him.

They're all so good, in different ways. _Ikiru_'s dying bueauracrat, with
his last redemptive quest to build a playground for inner city children,
really exemplifies the idea that any ordinary person can find it in
themselves to struggle against injustice, and win a personal victory
against the night.

Or how about _Seven Samurai_'s vagabond warriors, lovable, stern, mostly
over-the-hill men who find it in themselves to fight for a cause not their
own, against suicidal odds. In the hands of another director, it would just
be another action-adventure. But leave it to Kurosawa to keenly zoom in
on the human element, the internal struggles that will strike a chord with
anyone that has a pulse, in any country, any era. Witness the youngest
samurai, determined to make a name for himself, fearless in battle;
yet totally uncertain and confused when faced with the lust of a village
waif.

Kurosawa Movies I Haven't Seen:
Madadayo (1993)
Dodesukaden
Red Beard
High And Low
Scandal
The Quiet Duel
I Live In Fear (also Record Of A Living Being)
Drunken Angel

which one of these should I watch first?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't seen them all, but High and Low is fucking great.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i own ugetsu and still haven't watched it :(

joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

This thread neds more Kiyoshi Kurosawa, because Pulse and Retribution are awesome and I really want to see Cure.

Will M., Thursday, 1 November 2007 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link

err, "needs." Apologies to Ned.

Will M., Thursday, 1 November 2007 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link


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