Thomas Pynchon

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i meant kindred. and sloat fresno. and against the day going all annie proulx meets cormac mccarthy. fuck

kamerad, Sunday, 4 October 2009 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

must admit i'm not enjoying "inherent vice" all that much. in fact, haven't picked it up for about two weeks.

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 5 October 2009 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Dude. I think it only took me a couple of days all told, I loved it.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 October 2009 00:26 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe i'll give it another shot tonight.

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 5 October 2009 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link

a black rush of hair streaming unruly as the smoke that marbles the flames of Perdition

kamerad, Monday, 5 October 2009 05:42 (fourteen years ago) link

liked INHERENT VICE, took finishing as an opportunity to pick up VINELAND finally, and i love it so far!

69, Monday, 5 October 2009 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

missed this bit of news late last year

http://www.filmjunk.com/2010/12/02/p-t-anderson-to-direct-inherent-vice-starring-robert-downey-jr/

andrew m., Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

maybe i'm nuts but what's up in wisco reminds me of against the day
http://www.slate.com/id/2286169/pagenum/all/#p2
or at least the simpsons, the koch bros scarsdale vibe's grandsons if not mr. burnses

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 24 February 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I just bought Against the Day the other night, looking forward to digging in.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link

took me a while to get into. the deuce sloat lake fiasco hooked me

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link

ATD is one of the greatest books i've ever read... and i've still got 300 pages to go

cutty, Thursday, 24 February 2011 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link

it picks up around then, believe it or not. cyprian turns out to be one of my favorite pynchon characters

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 24 February 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link

i wish PT anderson was doing a six hour film of ATD instead

cutty, Friday, 25 February 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link

it's so fucking cinematic

cutty, Friday, 25 February 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link

ATD is one of the greatest books i've ever read...

i might go as far as saying it's my favorite tp by a long shot.

Robert Downey Jr. as lead in Inherent Vice is kind of perfect.

they call him (remy bean), Friday, 25 February 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link

robert downey jr gains 40 pounds and plays slothrop, please

― cutty, Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:29 AM (2 years ago)

cutty, Friday, 25 February 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Pynchon loves him some pigs:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01538e4fe38c970b-600wi

"I was planning to skydive into the middle of these proceedings," joked Pynchon, who didn't even attend the National Book Awards when "Gravity's Rainbow" won in 1974. "Thank you for your teaching," he continued. "Good work and good vibes to everybody there."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Almost finished with V right now, and I'm enjoying it very much.

Did anyone else get this? I'm on the last 100 pages, and it seems like Pynchon is giving us the code to crack open the novel with. As in, now the past 400 pages are starting to make sense - Benny is like a fetish, an inanimate object, explains what SHROUD was saying, slaves, dance of death, all that good stuff. If that's the case, I wonder if it's reflected in Mondaugen's story where the German officer breaks Mondaugen's code and it reveals, from what I understand, a quote from Wittgenstein. I'm definitely interested in checking out what it means to see if/how it reflects on the novel's theme (if anyone else has done this, I'd love to hear about it).

Regardless, he's a great writer. Can't wait to read his other novels.

Spectrum, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link

I am around 550 pages into Against The Day and it's my favorite one of his yet, just astonishing. V is the one I can't seem to get into so I'd say you have lots of great reading ahead of you.

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 01:17 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

just opened up lot 49 and its just really annoying

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

thrice is pretty good!
― city of gyros (http://i54.tinypic.com/11l4yvn.gif), Tuesday, May 9, 2006 12:51 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

an essay on Watts from the 60s

http://www.themodernword.com/pynchon/pynchon_essays_watts.html

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

lot 49 is not really annoying

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

yeah that's why I got it, because I thought I would be able to read a book by him that I wouldn't be bothered by. And I guess I don't really know how to say this well at this point, or maybe I am reading him wrong (ie. reading like 10 pages and throwing the book somewhere so it's not in my hands) but I really fuckin hate how he writes about race

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

it's weird, when it comes to books I'm not really that sensitive to how authors deal with race and I can overlook a lot, but for whatever reason, in pynchon's writing, I just get really disgusted by him almost immediately

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

i can understand that in regard to 'v,' which definitely has some problematic stuff in it. i don't remember any race stuff at all in 'lot 49,' tho.

my problem with pynchon is that i kind of hate his sense of humor, at least some of the time.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link

there's really no outward race stuff in lot 49 that warrants my rxn other than how he classifies his characters, I guess it's just something I notice much more in his writing than I do in that of other authors

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

Against the Day is fun -- the most diverting of his books since Lot 49.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

whoops -- I meant Inherent Vice.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

hahahaha

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

as reclusive writer dudes go he rates somewhere behind b. traven for me.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

against the day diverts light

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

did anyone ever actually finish 'against the day'? i read the first 50 pages or so when it came out and even that was pushing it.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

i read like three fucking hundred!

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

and still i failed

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

stansislaw lem's Memoirs Found in a Bathtub is one of those books that had a profound effect on me, and it is completely paranoid through and though, but there's this resignation in it that I guess gets me through it. That, or I just click with its humor more. Something about how Pynchon deals with paranoia and conspiracy doesn't do much for me for whatever reason. Or rather what it does it just makes me agitated. I understand that these are pretty personal (albeit pretty consistently lodged by others) criticisms aimed at a much-loved author, so sorry for taking an author's thread and being all "it sucks"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link

i don't remember anything that happened in against the day but i've read more than one rapturous essay that makes me want to try it again. and yet. time's winged chariot.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link

At my friend difficult listening hour's recommendation I got as far as pg. 450 in Mason and Dixon.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

Or rather what it does is just makes me agitated xp

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

At my friend difficult listening hour's recommendation I got as far as pg. 450 in Mason and Dixon.

i was touched by this but it was a case for st. jude

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

i'm sort of put off by the style of 'mason and dixon,' i mean i can't even stand to read editions of fielding or sterne without modernized capitalization, et al.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link

i was stunned by how readable and beautiful mason and dixon was just on a technical level. i may have overrated it because of that. i read a lot of it out loud, actually, to myself, which i hardly ever do; lots of it is lovely.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link

Try Mason & Dixon, The Pinefox - it's terrific fun. It has an excellent duck super-robot - I don't see how anyone could resist that! The funniest bit is where Mason is asking a dog about the location of another dog - "Bark if he is to the North" etc. He states after three tries that since the dog has not barked, the dog is clearly stating that the other dog is to the East. Dixon asks him if he is entirely comfortable with his logic.

this kind of makes me want to give it a try, haha.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not really a pynchon fan though. i've read everything except vineland and the last two and the only thing i would unreservedly recommend to anyone is the introduction to slow learner, which is one of the best writer-on-writing things i've ever read.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

mason & dixon also has a scene where they get stoned w/ george washington

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

which, i mean, that is a pretty obvious joke and also ripped off from dazed and confused, but it's still fun

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

what's the gist of the writers-on-writing essay?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

"Don't attempt long, difficult novels with Fielding-esque prose until your reputation as an eccentric recluse is firmly established."

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

my fav writer on writing thing is stevenson's essay on writing treasure island (My First Book) but I did like the intro to slow learner when I read it in a library

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link

the robot duck subplot has a scene where the world's greatest chef is called in to deal with the robot duck, and when he modestly insists that he knows nothing about ducks, robespierre or whoever is like "but what of your canard du casserole? your canard au pamplemousse flambe?, and the chef blushes and says OH THOSE OLD CANARDS

book is weirdly like early woody allen

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 June 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link


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