it's a lovely record.
― carne asada, Friday, 2 October 2009 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, this is one of the great albums ever.
― amateurist, Friday, 2 October 2009 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link
YSI anybody? i lost my copy some time ago
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
anybody?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
got u fam
― J. Sam, Thursday, 26 April 2018 06:04 (five years ago) link
nice! thank you
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 30 April 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
There doesn't appear to be a proper João Gilberto thread so this will have to do.
RIP. He was 88.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 July 2019 20:33 (four years ago) link
RIP Dusty Groove’s description of the thread subject called it a “god album” which has always stuck with me
― rob, Saturday, 6 July 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
RIP! a total giant.
― tylerw, Saturday, 6 July 2019 21:54 (four years ago) link
When he started refusing to work at clubs where he felt the customers talked too much, he entered a period of poverty, growing his hair long and wearing wrinkled clothes. Then a friend, the singer Luís Telles, brought him to the coast town of Porto Alegre and put him up at a respectable hotel; performing at a local nightclub, Mr. Gilberto gained a following....After about seven months Mr. Gilberto moved to Diamantina, a city in the mountainous state of Minas Gerais, where his older sister Dadainha lived. This was where he found his sweet spot of artistic isolation, cloistering himself in his sister’s house — specifically, in her bathroom.
It was there, Mr. Castro wrote, that Mr. Gilberto’s sound took shape. The acoustics were reverberant enough for him to practice a whispery, nasal style of singing, audible over the guitar. As much as he liked self-assured performers, his own sound seemed to shrink from the light; it was an inversion of the popular bolero-like style that had dominated Brazilian popular music since the 1930s.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/06/arts/music/joao-gilberto-dead-bossa-nova.html
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
had no idea his s/t album from 1973 - which I've had and loved for ages - was, for some reason, produced by Wendy Carlos
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link
but yeah, he was godlike. up there with Louie Armstrong, James Brown, Chuck Berry, Tony Iommi etc in terms of "single-handedly creates genre" type figures
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link
Worthy long read:
https://longreads.com/2019/07/09/remembering-joao-gilberto/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 11 July 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
He used his new vocal and rhythm techniques to compose “Bim-Bom,” and so it is considered by some to be the first bossa nova song.
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 July 2019 16:38 (four years ago) link
Nice piece. And I also had no idea Wendy Carlos produced the s/t (my CD only has songwriter credits), that is kind of amazing! Has anyone written about that?
― rob, Thursday, 11 July 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
Wendy Carlos, in the early aughts, describes her experience as audio engineer on Joao Gilberto’s legendary self-titled 1973 “white album” pic.twitter.com/t4YPgjDUec— Glenn Kenny (@Glenn__Kenny) July 12, 2019
― Ari (whenuweremine), Friday, 12 July 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
God I love this album. I spent a lot of time working on his thumb against three fingers picking style and it just opens so much rhythmic possibilities. Rip big man.
― hollow your fart (m bison), Friday, 12 July 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
That technique is hard to do well, kudos to you if you can manage it without having grown up in Brazil.
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 03:43 (four years ago) link
i mean i can keep the beat with my thumb/bass string and then do the syncopated part with my three fingers so thats something! he obv had way more range and fluidity with his left hand, plus the effortlessness of his playing (whereas mine is v much effortful rn)
― hollow your fart (m bison), Friday, 12 July 2019 03:51 (four years ago) link
had no idea he was using his thumb, that explains a lot!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
You’ve got to be kidding
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
actually not kidding. my big dive into bossa nova and Brazilian music predated youtube and a lot of other materials being widely available, don't think I ever saw footage of him playing back then, and the stuff I read about him didn't go into technique specifics.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
Don’t you play guitar yourself? Aren’t you aware of fingerstyle playing? Think I started a thread about that, maybe you even posted on it.
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 15:45 (four years ago) link
yes and yes but I've never tried it myself, was aware of other musicians doing it but never associated it with bossa nova
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
honestly I don't think my hands are big enough to manage it
Wait what? You understand we're talking about his right hand technique, right? I.e. that he played fingerstyle, i.e. not with a pick? You didn't know he was doing that?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 12 July 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
Psst, Shakey, over here
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
Perhaps this will refresh your memory:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNuMoVqKEuE
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
Lol i thought we were talking about his LEFT handctechnique
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 16:27 (four years ago) link
Sorry i am dum and scanning this thread too quickly
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link
You thought it was some Robert Johnson stuff? D’oh!
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 July 2019 16:29 (four years ago) link
Haha yes
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
something i haven't seen mentioned anywhere is gilberto's mentorship of the rock band novos baianos, and the resulting LP "acabou chorare" (the title of which is probably a deliberate evocation of "chega de saudade"). his influence on their sound is pretty remarkable, and it's also just kind of a hilarious scenario:
Their new home had become something of a hippie commune, perenially surrounded by a cloud of smoke, friends and musicians would come and go throughout the day. It was no surprise then that when a smart bespectacled man knocked on their door they thought the worst – the police were after them. Upon discovering that the man was in fact Joao Gilberto, one of Brazil’s biggest stars and the progenitor of bossa nova, the worry then turned to joy. It was midnight when he arrived. He wouldn’t leave ’til eight in the morning. They played guitar through the night, and then the next night, he returned.
(from https://soundsandcolours.com/articles/brazil/how-joao-gilberto-turned-os-novos-baianos-from-hendrix-worship-to-recording-the-greatest-brazilian-album-of-all-time-189/)
― budo jeru, Saturday, 13 July 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
! Thats crazy, i had no idea
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 14 July 2019 00:14 (four years ago) link
Nor I
― Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 July 2019 00:22 (four years ago) link
JG’s input coincided with a Novos Baianos getting a LOT better IMO. Their previous records had been fine but “Acabou Chorare” is world class.
― Tim, Sunday, 14 July 2019 09:08 (four years ago) link
Listening now to the newly streaming The Boss of the Bossa Nova (Reel to Reel Version). Good stuff.
― Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 December 2020 14:01 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahQh9nZBV9E
― fpsa, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 02:12 (three years ago) link