Doctor Who: Classic or Dud?

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I missed the final McCoy episodes, did they ever clear up what this big "mystery" was about the Doctor's origins/intentions that they started hinting about with his Dalek story?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

Not really... the final season possibly has a few hints - i think we can discount the 'Battlefield' Doctor as Merlin stuff ;-) - but not explicitly. Implicit in the passage of that season he is increasingly a player on a wide stage, plotting, out-manoeuvering opponents in a complex fashion. Even playing with the emotions of his ccompanion to achieve his ends. Apparently the final story, "Survival" (which is very much recommended, by the way) had footage that was excised late in the day, concerning the Doctor's past, c.f. the Master.

Tom May (Tom May), Saturday, 6 December 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
starry the mannequins episode scars me still!!
oh no! they are PUSHING THEIR WAY THRU BRACKEN!! oh NOOOOO!!

Sinker totally OTM !
my younger sister was so terrified at the part with the arm gun
that my mum came in and turned the telly off

and yes, it's true - our couch wasn't against the wall
so we did hide behind it and other chairs in the room

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
PAUL I KISS YOU

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

awesome aren't they? you lot helped revive my interest
(I originally watched from 1966?-1970, then 1974-77)
but I became fascinated by the missing (particularly Patrick Troughton) stories/episodes.
that led to finding the BBC site with photonovel reconstructions & clips!

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't make me (try to) post my Dalek picture again!

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope the new series doesn't get too slick with the special effects or the sets. Part of the show's weird, claustrophobic atmosphere stemmed from the very cheapness of it. The bizarre, cobbled together look of some of the monsters and backdrops was quite nightmarish.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/09/dalek_legs/

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
haha AWESOME!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/photonovels/evilofthedaleks/

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 11 September 2004 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean - how can you lose?:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/photonovels/evilofthedaleks/one/47.shtml

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 11 September 2004 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing beats Ian grooving to the Beatles in The Chase.

Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 11 September 2004 06:13 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
FORTY-TWO YEARS AGO TODAY: Doctor Who aired its first episode.

Dan (And So On) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...

This reminded me of my favourite ever Doctor Who story.

Saw it a few weeks ago on UK Gold, who are currently showing the Jon Pertwee stories now for the 1st time in four years.
Into Pertwee's 3rd season now.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 26 March 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Quick, crew, recommend me some DVDs (particularly 3rd and 4th Doctor storys) for Amazon purchase. I am about to go on a little frenzy. Pretty please.

BARMS, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic obviously - but the high-priced, single-episode DVDs are ridiculous. I want to own them but gimme a fucking break, $25 for an hour-and-a-half of low budget sci-fi? wtf

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

City of Death (4th Doc) is good.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Can anyone help me ID which story the following extremely vaguely remembered snippet comes from? Peter Davison... some kind of middle eastern style bazaar (maybe)... a fortune teller's tent (possibly)... a crystal ball (very dubious)... and the crux of this misty memory: a vision within this ball or whatever of some kind of evil nasty supernatural alien thingy. Which may have resembled a rat's skull.

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

probably snakedance.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I watched City Of Death recently but didn't think much of it. Everyone else out of Who fans I know seems to love it though. But I am less of a fan than any of them it's true.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

4th Doc (Tom Baker)
The Pirate Planet (written by Douglas Adams)(actually, the whole Key to Time series is pretty sweet)
The Mutants (starts slow but ends with bang)
3rd Doc (Pertwee! my personal fave)
Planet of the Spiders (his final episode)
oh I can't remember the names...

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Pertwee always looks a bit too serious.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the story arc where the Master turns into this weird mottled plant-looking thing - is that the Key of Time ones (I think so...?) Gallifrei is involved, the Doctor's called back there to be excommunicated or something.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Barms is looking at English discs so...

3rd Doctor:

Green Death is probably the best one out there (giant maggots) as long as you can get past some of the Welsh stereotyping and the "aren't environmentalists mad" subplot. The extras are good.
Spearhead From Space (Autons) is good for a "new Doctor" story and Claws Of Axos is a lot of fun (but with really 70s effects and an acid freakout).

4th Doctor:

You can't go wrong with any of the Gothic Horror stories - Pyramids Of Mars, Horror Of Fang Rock or Talons Of Weng-Chiang. We can argue over whether Robots Of Death fits into this category or not (I'd say it does) but that's another good one. If you don't fancy that, the recently released Genesis Of The Daleks is possibly the best-paced 6-parter ever and The Ark In Space is a great romp (if you ignore the at times very poor effects - bubble wrap will kill us all).

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Claws of Axos is cool.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I've just noticed he says "particularly" and not exclusively 3rd and 4th, so I heartily recommend The Beginning box. Some of the best Doctor Who ever filmed and no mistake.

The Web Planet is possibly the most ON DRUQS Who I've seen. Also The Aztecs is quite brilliant in places.
The Mind Robber is probably the best Troughton on sale, and has the maximum ZOE UBER-CUETNESS factor (see also Tomb Of The Cybermen).
Caves of Androzani is one of the best-written Who stories, probably.
Vengeance On Varos actually stands up really well, with a Big Brother-esque plot 20 years before RTD did it, and Jason Connery topless.
I can't think of any reason to recommend any of the McCoy releases except they're better than I remember them being.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't think of any reason to recommend any of the McCoy releases except they're better than I remember them being.

I have very fond memories of 'Paradise Towers' from when I was a kid.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Not available to buy though.

Dan's the McCoy fan I think, you might get him defending them. (I actually think McCoy himself isn't that bad, he was just crippled with the two worst comoanions in the history of the show.)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

There's two really good McCoy stories available, Ghost Light and The Curse of Fenric! I wish they'd give the Dalek stories a break, but I guess that is what sells.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

The re-cut Fenric is OK, but contains the single most cringeworthy scene filmed by the BBC (Ace's "oooooh, the wind, can you keep up with me" bollocks).

Ghost Light is better than I thought it was at the time but MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE, which even the writer admits. If you watch it with the commentary on, he explains what happens in the scenes that were cut and you can see how it was supposed to work, but it barely saves it.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I heart y'all, especially aldo. McCoy was technically "my Doctor" (obv. Ecclestone is now), given that despite being about 3 at the time, I never caught Colin B. I have the haziest memories of McCoy (I once had his action figure and I dug his brolly), but for some reason have a bit of an attachment to Ace. It goes without saying that this frenzy is Russell T's fault. I'll start with at least 4 of those recommendations as found on Amazon, including The Beginning and will Report Back.

BARMS, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Hvae brought back Spearhed from Space after only one episode. I think it's an all or nothing experience.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Michelle Gomez wants to be the first femal Doctor Who

And you know what - it would work.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Hurrah, another wacky over-actor. She's essentially the female David Tennant.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed. What is it with their Scottish love for the Doctor?

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Michelle Gomez wants to be the first femal Doctor Who
And you know what - it would work.

Er, hello? It's Doctor Who, not Senior Staff Nurse Who.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Matron Who.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Is this what it's like on Gallifrey? Morning Postman Who! How are you, Butcher Who? Lovely day, Fireman Who!

JimD (JimD), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Evening, Who the Steam!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Who, Who, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grubb!

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(Imagine how chuffed you would have felt Ailsa if this was a pub conversation and you'd come up with that!)

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yer just jealous :-p

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Spookily enough, someone made a completely separate "..Cuthbert Dibble and Grubb" post one minute later than I did on a thread on Digital Spy.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Dragonfire" contains the single most cringeworthy scene ever filmed in Doctor Whodom (McCoy's "cliffhanger"... oy). This is worse than even the HOTT! BESSIE! "ACTION!" that fills oh so much time in many Pertwee stories.

Pretty much all of the 4th Doctor/Leela(/K9) stories are must-owns, ESPECIALLY "Talons", "Horror" and "Robots". Also don't sleep on the 5th Doctor; "Frontios", "Black Orchid", "Mawdryn Undead", "Enlightment", "Terminus", "The Caves Of Androzani", "Castrovalva", "The Visitation", "Kinda", "Snakedance"...

Dan (SO GOOD) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

McCoy was technically "my Doctor" (obv. Ecclestone is now), given that despite being about 3 at the time, I never caught Colin B.

...

Dan (Holy Shit I'm Old) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Good morning young Master.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, Dan's reminded me of the CLOWN CAR BESSIE ACTION in Battlefield now.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

-- Dan (Holy Shit I'm Old) Perry (djperr...), April 27th, 2006.

C'mon, we both know I'm the regenerated version of you. The timeline just hasn't caught up yet.

BARMS, Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

suddenly it all makes sense...

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link


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