E. M. Forster - C or D, s&d, etc.

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I love his descriptions of Italy. never 'twas a better cinematic match than Forster and Puccini in Room With a View.

My girlfriend says you cannot get to grips with Forster's writing unless you know his background. I'm not sure. You'd probably work it out from Maurice, anyway.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 6 October 2005 08:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i was expecting maurice to be much dirtier then it was, considering its history.

anthony, Monday, 10 October 2005 04:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i was expecting maurice to be much dirtier then it was, considering its history. (it is one of the great classics of coded desire, and i dont think that the code is the same as we think it is, like all of those queer theorists unpacking henry james's ghost--there is something queer and beautiful in maurice and in some of james work, but i cant tell you what it is)

anthony, Monday, 10 October 2005 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

It's been ages since I've read it, but I thought the desire was fairly explicit in it...?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 October 2005 07:15 (eighteen years ago) link

but not explicit enough to be hidden in a closet for years (1917, right--look at what else was written then, for example it wasnt as explicit as Gide or Sackville-West or even Woolf.)

anthony, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Where is Woolf more explicit? Orlando? That doesn't get terribly explicit.

Wasn't Forster himself closeted? In a way that Gide or Sackville-West weren't. Publication of Maurice would have been an admission of something Forster seems to have felt as "guilt" -- or perhaps he just wanted to "protect" family or his reputation. There have been no shortage of reasons to stay closeted...

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i think thats what i am arguing, i mean to his friends he was open (as open as forester ever was). i was thinking more a long the lines of three guineas or a room of ones own.

anthony, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i think there is something in the closed, anal, tight, furled dryness of it

anthony, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I like Forster. Two Cheers for Democracy, Howards End, Passage to India are all really good. I liked him for his liberalism but most of all for his fair mindedness and for the cerebral quality of his essays. I like the way he wrote and perhaps his mysogeny can be attributed in part to the fact that he preferred men to women. We all have our foibles. The world would be a poorer place without him.

Ursula Osborne, Monday, 31 October 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

man, howard's end bugged the shit out of me

thomp, Friday, 9 July 2010 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean, leonard bast gets killed but he got to go for a walk on the moors once, so it is alright

thomp, Friday, 9 July 2010 10:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I suspect when I do die, it'll be in the same way as Bast. THere are a lot of overstacked shelves round here...

The great big red thing, for those who like a surprise (James Morrison), Sunday, 11 July 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I need to marry a male Margaret Schlegel.

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 July 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Has anyone read "Maurice"? How is it?

orchestral manure in the dark (corey), Sunday, 11 July 2010 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Terrible -- a fantasy written by a novelist who should have known better. Which doesn't means you shouldn't read it.

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 July 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i have a copy but i'm going to attempt 'a passage to india' and possibly 'the eternal moment' first

thomp, Sunday, 11 July 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

His homosexual stories, collected in The Life to Come, are much better than Maurice (I felt so sinful reading them before I came out).

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 July 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

I loved Room With a View and Passage is a masterpiece. I'll skip Maurice and get Howard's End next.

orchestral manure in the dark (corey), Sunday, 11 July 2010 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't think I've ever read a novel by him but I love the stories in The Celestial Omnibus.

o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Monday, 12 July 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

His homosexual stories, collected in The Life to Come, are much better than Maurice (I felt so sinful reading them before I came out).

His other stories are pretty ace, too, including SF classic 'The Machine Stops'.

The great big red thing, for those who like a surprise (James Morrison), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

'eternal moment' appears to be a collection of these, with introduction on how he is "unlikely to attempt anything further along this line"

thomp, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 09:16 (thirteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

Rereading The Longest Journey sounds like a good idea.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

I read the Galgut novel (solid) in May after rereading Maurice, which seemed more moving and also sillier than my college experience w/it. I did note how Forster does not make Maurice a paragon of sensitivity: he grows up to be Charles Wilcox, a theory helped by James Wilby playing both characters

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link

And the triad he enjoyed with Buckingham and his wife was impressively ahead of its time.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

i think there is something in the closed, anal, tight, furled dryness of it

― anthony, Tuesday, October 11, 2005

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 December 2022 19:27 (one year ago) link


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