History of Isrel/Palestine

I think Martin Gilbert also has a proper history of Israel as well as the picture book. I imagine it is a bit ISRAEL RoXoR UR T-HEADS but is probably a good insight into that side of the fence.

Robert Fisk's "Pity The Nation" is an excellent book. It is mainly about Lebanon, but as that unfortunate country served for a time as Israel & Palesine's battlefield it might have insights for you.

anyone read this book? just got it for my kindle:

http://img1.imagesbn.com/p/9781849646864_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG

I also suggest reading Mondoweiss for ongoing coverage of this conflict. It is avowedly not Zionist, however, and mostly anti-Zionist. There is quite a bit of critique of the writing of liberal Zionists, including one mentioned on this thread.

Now that I'm posting from home, with access to my books, I can recommend Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict by Charles D. Smith, as a textbook style, maybe "unbiased" (if that is possible), treatment of the matter.

Many years back I read part of A Peace To End All Peace, mentioned earlier in this thread, and I should really read it all some day. It looks excellent.

If you want to cut to the chase, Ilan Pappe's The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine is powerful, if a bit dry.

I'm currently reading Max Blumenthal's Goliath which reports on current fascistic tendencies, while making a case for continuity between what's happening now and what happened during the inception of the modern state of Israel.

Alan Hart's three volume Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews covers a lot of ground and benefits from Hart's close personal familiarity with some of the major players in the conflict, but I'm afraid he's not a very good writer.

On the question of the possibility of an "unbiased," "balanced," "neutral" account of this conflict, I like the way Miko Peled (who has authored a memoir worth reading) handles the matter at the introduction of this talk.

The title of the Alan Hart book alone makes it seem highly questionable as a source

Titles are not always accurate iundications of an author's intentions or views, as they are often assigned by the publisher.

Yeah but come on

it's one thing to argue that zionism is somehow bad for Jews, but to call it "the REAL enemy of the Jews" is just inflammatory and offensive, not to mention ahistorical

In an article published on the Iranian run Press TV, Hart described Zionists as “The New Nazis” and argue that “Europeans and Americans could have stopped the original Nazis and prevented the extermination of six million Jews. If Europeans and Americans do not stop the New Nazis, it is likely that their end game will be the extermination of millions of Palestinians.”[4]

http://www.alanhart.net/my-last-post-final-thoughts-on-zionisms-success-and-arab-failure/

If nakh's source is correct about that Hart quotation, then 'nuff said, the man is a disgrace.

Whilst Alan’s US publisher has the courage to publish his book “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews”, they don’t have the finances to promote it. Book promotion usually involves getting the author onto radio talk shows, TV talk shows, book signing engagements, debates etc and as the purpose of his book is to stir up an honest debate about the situation, this kind of promotion is the current need of the time.

There are many organisations in the US willing to arrange all of this for Alan, but the cost of touring the US is a lot and contributing towards it is the best way that you can support Alan right now.

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i thought rudy was reasonable but he's obviously slipped pretty far down the anti-semitic rabbit hole. sad. he probably thinks i'm another defensive pro-zionist jew who can't handle the truth.

rudy?

Interesting review of a couple of new books on the subject: My Promised Land: The Triumph and Tragedy of Israel by Ari Shavit and Genesis: Truman, American Jews, and the Origins of the Arab/Israeli Conflict by John Judis.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/aug/14/liberal-zionists/?insrc=toc

Yeah I read that and a couple of other similarly-themed articles at the time. It's sort of academic by now, but I don't agree with the premise that zionism necessarily has/had to become illiberal. The reality for me is that it has gone that way, but I think it could possibly have gone differently. From the beginning there were left zionists who didn't support expelling Palestinians. Maybe their position was an impossible contradiction, but they existed.

I agree it could have gone differently. The Freedland piece makes that point as well:

Still, believing that a Jewish national home had become a moral necessity is not the same as believing that the dispossession of the Palestinians was logically inevitable. The two views are separable. Judis’s central argument is that things could indeed have turned out differently, had Truman followed his instinct for evenhandedness between Jews and Arabs and backed the Zionism of Ahad Ha’am and his followers, who called for a binational state in Palestine...

The conventional view is that the vision of Ahad Ha’am and the Brit Shalom movement he inspired—which included Judah Magnes, Martin Buber, Henrietta Szold, and Gershom Scholem among others—was impossibly utopian and doomed to fail, that the two peoples were always fated to clash. Judis rejects that, insisting that Truman could have used US might to impose a binational solution on Palestine.

Others, including the political scientist Jerome Slater, argue that a binational state was not the only way that expulsion and dispossession could have been avoided. Slater describes plans in circulation at the time for voluntary resettlement by Arabs, along with substantial financial compensation, which might have made a Jewish state possible without much of the brutality that ensued.

These should be important questions for liberal Zionists because they challenge, at the very least, the notion that violent dispossession was unavoidable and inherent in the Zionist enterprise.

Oh huh, I think I am mixing it up with a different piece.

Also around that time some rando friend-of-friend told my wife she was "crying the crocodile tears of the liberal Zionist" which really pissed me off

Not a history but I think this is the nearest place to link this piece by John Berger on Mahmoud Darwish:

https://lithub.com/john-berger-contemplates-life-and-death-at-the-graveside-of-mahmoud-darwish/