2005 AL Cy Young: Bartolo Colon

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Bravo.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

But what this voting really proves is that Cy Young voters are still mushy traditionalists who value the almighty "win" above all other indicators of who pitched best over six grueling months.


So does this mean I can expect a Cy Young for Roy-O to be announced today?

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

But what this voting really proves is that Cy Young voters are still mushy traditionalists who value the almighty "win" above all other indicators of who pitched best over six grueling months.

So does this mean I can expect a Cy Young for Roy-O to be announced today?

-- boldbury (sniffywo...), Yesterday 11:16 AM. (boldbury)

Not for Oswalt but yes for the guys who had more wins than him! ;-D

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

colon also had two less walks than johan santana.

does someone want to explain the disproportionate response to this result here?

i mean, i thought era was sort of red herring when it came to determinant factors or is it just that so much weight is put on victories?

it seems to me that of all the pitchers mentioned up there, santana seems to be the only one w/ demonstrable edge over colon in a statistical category and that would be for era & k. there seems to be very little that separates everyone when you look at the raw numbers for bb, k and tacos.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Saturday, 12 November 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't really understand what's so wrong with era anyhow.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Not for Oswalt but yes for the guys who had more wins than him! ;-D

For some reason I completely forgot that those guys had more wins than Roy. But Roy is the only one with consecutive 20-win seasons, so that should count for something, right?

boldbury (boldbury), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to say that if relievers qualify for the Cy Young, you cannot judge the award based on how many innings they pitched. Mariano Rivera and Joe Nathan both had amazing seasons as relievers, and I'd say they did their jobs a lot better than Cliff Lee, Jon Garland, Mark Buerhle, Colon, etc. Using the recent history of the AL Cy Young as a measure, they all had sub-par seasons for a Cy Young winner. Meanwhile, Rivera and Nathan (and Lidge) all had excellent seasons for a reliever.

I think 1. Santana and 2. Rivera would have been a pretty reasonable result, and I wouldn't have minded 3. Nathan 4. Buerhle either.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't really understand what's so wrong with era anyhow.

the Fed Reserve nominee obsesses on inherited runners

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

Ortiz is (deservedly) getting lots of attention for maybe the best old-guy hitter's season ever. I checked a bunch of obvious names, and Colon might be having one of the three best 43-year-old-starter years ever (mostly old-school stats here).

Colon: 14-7, 3.14, 177.2 IP, 1.199 WHIP, 3.63 K/BB
Ryan: 13-9, 3.44, 204 IP, 1.034 WHIP, 3.14 K/BB
Niekro: 17-4, 3.61, 234.1 IP, 1.272 WHIP, 1.97 K/BB

Only checked post-war pitchers: also Clemens (very good, but only 115 IP), Johnson, Spahn, Moyer. May have forgotten someone.

clemenza, Thursday, 22 September 2016 00:56 (seven years ago) link

he's also 15th among NL pitchers in WAR, ahead of jake arrieta

mookieproof, Thursday, 22 September 2016 01:02 (seven years ago) link

nine months pass...

Bartolo Colón is making his Twins debut Tuesday at 8 ET on ESPN against the Yankees. It'll be Colón's first career appearance at Target Field and if he allows a home run, he'll be making history. According to Elias, only Jamie Moyer (43) has allowed a home run at more ballparks than Colón (42) in MLB history.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...
one month passes...

You are cordially invited to an evening with Big Sexy! https://t.co/2KS4ruHUGw pic.twitter.com/xi0HL8GKU9

— Minnesota Twins (@Twins) September 8, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link

seven months pass...

We interrupt our train of no-hitter tweets to show you that Bartolo Colon beat Dee Gordon to 1st in a footrace. pic.twitter.com/MewCi5EB12

— MLB (@MLB) April 22, 2018

Andy K, Sunday, 22 April 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link

Impressive!

Karl Malone, Sunday, 22 April 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

ben:
Sam Miller has a new piece about Bartolo Colon making the HOF. Fun piece (as usual), but zero chance of happening, right?


Jay Jaffe:
Even if we assume Jack Morris’ election lowered the performance bar enough to make Colon’s candidacy credible — and here I should point out that Bart is 139th to Jack’s 163rd in JAWS ranking — the PED suspension is a huge stumbling block. If it’s gonna keep A-Rod, Palmeiro and Manny out, it’s gonna keep him out as well.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link

Bartolo Colon definitely is in the hall of very good. His career arc is fairly unique losing those five seasons in his early 30s then figuring it out and having this second act of his career.

Big Daddy is one pitcher that had a somewhat similar career arc with losing a few years to injury. Reuschel was maybe even at his best later on in his career, although without quite the crazy innings pitched numbers of his early seasons.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/reuscri01.shtml

earlnash, Friday, 27 July 2018 00:26 (five years ago) link

Passed Dennis Martinez tonight for wins (246) by a Latin American pitcher. I remember that was a semi-big deal up here when Martinez passed Marichal, even though he was no longer with the Expos.

clemenza, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 04:21 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

RIBS

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Bartolo Colon announced on Instagram today that he is releasing a memoir entitled "BIG SEXY." More details here:https://t.co/w0If3roQSp pic.twitter.com/FiUWCDEVq7

— Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo) October 9, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 October 2019 20:27 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thJ3a0T_Rug

omar little, Thursday, 10 October 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link


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