U2's The Edge

-- Pop Ryan (rmm33...), July 10th, 2006 2:25 AM.

I think that indie-rock bands of today are skillful about which influences (distant, semi-obscure to teh kids of today) they cite and which they keep their yaps shut about (recent, semi-familiar).

cf. all stoner bands are influenced by Sabbath; none mention Soundgarden...

but interpol specifically does sound like joy division.

one thing i never got was why no new indie rock band sounds like Mission of Burma

(note: i am not condoning new indie bands sounding like old indie bands, but since everyone has ripped off joy division, gang of four, depeche mode, television, blondie, etc. then why hasn't MoB come up?)

Probably already a thread on this, but thier new album, The Obliterati, is awesome.

There's tons of guitarists that liberally borrow from The Edge's guitar approach. I would even argue his approach on Unforgettable Fire and The Joshua Tree left an insignificant impression on a lot of shoegazers, but the Cocteau Twins and JAMC get all the credit.

And Keith Levene invented "I Will Follow", and so on, and so forth...

fo realz?

jah dood U2 was way before the smiths!

Brooker, To say that The Edge influence shoegaze is blashphemis. I don't particularly see where you can make that connection. Shoegaze was a mix of The Beach Boys and Phil Spector and The Stooges and The Velvet Underground. Pop and Noise. JAMC does get credited with being the biggest influence on Shoegaze and I think that is appropriate, though early Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr. (Lou Barlow years) had a big influence on Shoegaze too.

No argument on Ipol - just one instance of a more pervasive phenomenon that probably deserves its own thread, like, "REM: hugely influenced by the Byrds but, hmmm... not by Tom Petty?"

one thing i never got was why no new indie rock band sounds like Mission of Burma

Sigh... I'm still waiting for the new indie rock band that sounds like the Furs...

wait, it was czukay, the edge and jah wobble - snake charmer.

Shoegaze was a mix of The Beach Boys and Phil Spector and The Stooges and The Velvet Underground. Pop and Noise.

man, is this ever garbage

as for the shoegaze garbage comment, that is what i hear when i listen to shoegaze, but maybe im wrong. though i doubt it.

Delay was also an integral effect in the effect racks of virtually every shoegaze guitarist (save perhaps Kevin Shields). There aren't that many degrees of separation from The Edge to the use of effects on recordings by Slowdive or The Kitchens Of Distinction. See the logic here?

So where's the blasphemy?

The Edge (w/Brian Eno/Daniel Lanois & Michael Brook) were progenitors of sonic wash.

And shoegaze was more immediately influenced by the likes of Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr. British bands invented shoegaze in emulation of those two acts, and yes, there's lots of VU-isms, JAMC, etc, but nowhere near as prevalent.

I have read in an interview that The Edge wanted to start playing guitar because of Rory Gallagher, who was also the first rock artist he saw in concert. Probably not a big surpass considering the locale, but it is in there I suppose.

The Edge's sound before Flood and everything getting really dirty was dead on for Gilmour's on "Run Like Hell" which is also using the cascading echoplex delay. What is funny is that Gilmour pulled out that big cascading delay effect on Townshend's White City album and at least a couple of reviews noted the similarity to U2's sound.

I think you need to read between the influential lines. Probably half the time any indie guitarist starts going off about Eno's greatness, they are really just trying to shuffle off their teenage infatuation with U2.

The Edge used his as more of an effect used to suppliment his broken chord rhythmic style (which you can also see in some way in someone like Andy Summers).

I really like that style of guitar that The Edge played and I think it gave a lot of substance to guitarists we didn't play straight lead of straight chords, but im not convinced of the shoegaze argument.

"Bullet The Blue Sky" and "Silver And Gold" have some very Gilmour-like slide work in them too, reminiscent of what might be called the funky part of "Echoes".

Yes. Those harmonics!

I was about to say Gilmour, not so much for the slide work, but more the sustain-goes-on-forever and ever and... Sometimes he sort of starts a Gilmour-esque fill or solo (e.g that F#/long B bend at the start of the solo in 'Time') but doesn't carry on for more than a few notes.

I reckon he copped a bit from Skids-era Stuart Adamson, in fact he may have admitted that somewhere in print.

Lightning Blue Eyes - Secret Machines
History - controller.controller
White Shadows - Coldplay (ok, most of X&Y)
Midnight Show - The Killers
This Town's Religion - Delays (Love Comes Tumbling?)
The whole debut album by The Departure (most blatantly, Talkshow)

You are missing salient points of my argument, and as well, I think you have a very limited idea of what sort of bands constituted the shoegaze scene back in the late 80s/early 90s.

I understand that the distortion created the fuzz, but I was saying that the delay created the layers and the sonic texture.

My idea of shoegaze bands are My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive, Ride.

Maybe I just can't hear it in The Edge's guitar for some reason. Who knows.

lol @ the edge

i'm glad they like brass band music though.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-u2-compound-20110429,0,3246814.story

By Tony Barboza, Los Angeles Times
April 29, 2011

The state planning agency that oversees open space in the Santa Monica Mountains will drop its opposition to a controversial bid by U2 guitarist the Edge to build a compound of homes above Malibu in exchange for more than $1 million in funding, consulting services and dedicated open space from the musician and his partners.

In a deal with the rocker narrowly approved this week, the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy agreed to take a neutral position on the high-profile project in exchange for a $750,000 payment, $250,000 worth of work by a consultant who works for the musician, 97 acres of conservation easements, and development restrictions around the homes that would eventually allow a short length of trail to be built through a sliver of the property.

The Edge — a.k.a. David Evans — has been fighting for permits to build five mansions, including his own, on Sweetwater Mesa since 2006, when he and his wife bought the 156-acre property. But the project has been stymied by widespread opposition from conservation groups and the California Coastal Commission, which say it would scar an undeveloped ridgeline visible from much of the Malibu coastline and disturb geological features and sensitive habitat...

Critics characterized the deal as Evans buying the agency's silence.

"This would break up a large block of almost pristine wildlife habitat — one of the most impressive coastal-mountain interfaces in the country," said David Brown, a Sierra Club leader who sits on the conservancy's advisory board. "And though you're not really endorsing the project, you're withdrawing your objections to it, and it's not acceptable."

Ventura County Supervisor Linda Parks, one of two conservancy board members who voted against the deal, said she didn't want to lose the chance to throw the agency's weight against a project that is "so overwhelmingly against the principles of good planning and development."...

Edelman said that a representative for the Edge approached the conservancy last year and proposed a benefits package, and that the terms evolved over several months.

Don Schmitz, a Malibu-based development consultant who represents Evans, would provide $250,000 in trail design and acquisition services for the conservancy if the project was ultimately approved.

In a statement, Schmitz said the deal would expand public access to the area and "dedicate nearly 100 acres of the property owners' land to open space in perpetuity."

Evans' proposed compound ran into controversy earlier this year when the Coastal Commission accused him of trying to skirt environmental regulations by concealing who owns the property. The commission alleged that the musician and his associates attempted to make it more difficult for the agency to limit the number of homes on the site by presenting the project as five independently owned parcels instead of one coordinated project.

The commission holds final authority over the Edge's project and is scheduled to consider it as early as June.

nagl Edgey

jaysus

can't believe no one's linked it yet:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-edge-still-introducing-self-as-such,4879/

apparently he's perfectly fine with africans starving as well.

That controversy always seemed to me the epitome of privileged Malibu NIMBY behavior. Like this one rock star millionaire mansion will somehow be the straw that breaks the camel's back in an area already practically dense with rock star mansions and vast estates.

He wants to add 5 mansions though; not just one.

The Edge — a.k.a. David Evans

I did not know this. I didn't care either, but it's still surprising to realise that I didn't know.

lol did you think his parents named him "The Edge"?

Man, it would be worth having one kid named The Edge, Jr., just to have The Edge III.

He wants to add 5 mansions though; not just one.

Dude's property is 156 acres. I believe that's almost twice the size of Disneyland. He's got room for 5 mansions.

The idea is super-green mansions.

ha. If your surname is 'Edge' then why not name one of your kids 'The', eh?

(I mean that it's surprising I had never come across his real name, as that Onion piece notes he's done a remarkable job of making sure that he is forever known as The Edge and nothing but The Edge.)

I guess not everyone knows, but I was a bit of a U2 nerd in high school.

Bono's real name is Paul Hewson, btw.

Yeah but what do they sign their checks?

adam clayton's real name is simply "Tower"

So do you think his driver's license says "The Edge"?

Edge, The

larry mullin jr.'s real name is "dolores"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/06/the-edge-loses-coastal-commission-vote-8-4.html

"In 38 years of this commission's existence, this is is one of the three worst projects that I've seen in terms of environmental devastation," Peter Douglas, the agency's executive director, said. "It's a contradiction in terms -- you can't be serious about being an environmentalist and pick this location" given the effects on habitat, land formation, scenic views and water quality.

ha! good.

this was surprising as i thought he would get his way.

score one for the good side.

hell of a blues player
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, July 10, 2006 7:11 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark

Thank goodness the Malibu coast will not be sullied by the presence of large mansions.

Evans' house is planned as a 12,785-square-foot contemporary abode, called "Leaves in the Wind," so named for the undulating green roof meant to emulate fluttering leaves.

Designer home! http://www.leavesinthewind.com/

oh ffs

jaysus

I wouldn't say the Edge has much influence on the shoegaze movement. He's much more in line with Michael Brook and Flood and Youth and other european production-oriented musicians than Ride or MBV or (early) Lush. Sure, with all the energy of U2, the Edge starts to seem a bit more like Kevin Shields, but I don't think that's a fair comparison to Shields' crazy genius.

Anyway, here's a great album by the Edge and Michael Brook, with Sinead O'Connor doing vocal work on the standout track. To me, this is more Edge than U2:

http://www.discogs.com/EdgeWith-Michael-Brook-Captive/master/33357

just go away!:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/08/u2-rocker-the-edge-sues-coastal-panel-over-malibu-project.html

The action "denied [the owners] any economically viable use of their properties and will establish a sweeping new basis for denying other landowners the ability to use their properties in California," the landowners said in a statement.

Despite the Edge's assertion that the homes would meet the highest environmental standards and would be designed to minimize effects on views and natural resources, the project has sparked intense controversy. Critics say the project would destroy sensitive habitat and pave the way for more development.

Among other contentions, the owners say the commission's staff incorrectly claimed that the properties were under common ownership and therefore had to be considered as a single project. The suits assert that the properties are under separate ownership. Coastal commissioners stated at the June 16 hearing that the Edge had initially talked to them about his dreams for a sustainable, unified development.

At this point I can only imagine he's suing since he's already made considerable investments in the project. Still, he's the fucking Edge. Go buy an island somewhere and so whatever you want with it. Erect giant statues of Bono to (further) confuse future humans/aliens.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-edge-malibu-20151210-story.html

U2 guitarist the Edge can go forward with building five homes on a rugged Malibu ridge after the California Coastal Commission unanimously approved his controversial project at its meeting in Monterey on Thursday.

Evans' architects made significant changes to the plan in order to win approval. As a result, the commission's staff recommended that the permits be granted.

Jack Ainsworth, the commission's senior deputy director, indicated that approval could have come more quickly.

"If they would have followed our direction 10 years ago, they'd be having Christmas dinner in their house," he said during the meeting.

The five homes that will be built — each more than 10,000 square feet in size, with its own swimming pool — now will be more tightly clustered together on a lower plateau. Their exterior colors have been planned to help them blend into the surroundings, with reduced visibility from below, and greater attention was given to reducing the destruction of sensitive habitat.

Evans also agreed to dedicate 140 acres of the property in the Sweetwater Mesa area of Malibu as open space, with a public hiking and equestrian easement linking to the Coastal Slope Trail.

The project still will need to go through additional permitting in the city of Malibu and Los Angeles County.

Heal the Bay, for instance, asked the commission in a letter to approve only one to three homes on the property.

"This development requires extensive and significant infrastructure, which would cause unmitigable impacts to a biologically sensitive area and our coastal zone environment," wrote Katherine Pease, a watershed scientist for the nonprofit environmental group.

Please, all of u2, take your fortunes and fame and go away forever.

He's still after that bullshit?

He could just build one house and process it through a few delay pedals.

"If they would have followed our direction 10 years ago, they'd be having Christmas dinner in their house,"

I'd imagine being Malibu's coastal commission senior deputy director probably gets to enjoy telling the rich and powerful to get bent.

5 houses but still no hair.

on a rugged Malibu riedge

fixed

He could just build one house and process it through a few delay pedals.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, December 11, 2015 4:37 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

House music?

My wife - bless - just now found out that U2's guitarist is called "The Edge." She was suitably incensed, approx 35 years too late.

Must admit I watched some of the Paris show on HBO. I kept wondering how much of the ticket sales and U2 donations in general were going to help the families of the victims and to work with other worthy causes there. Probably not much.

Oh, the Edge still wears his winter hat all the time, and played some piano in addition to guitar. Bono was egocentric mostly, although they added video screen footage of locations hit by Isis, and let Eagles of Death Metal do 2 songs.

He should go back to the hunting cap with ear flaps or whatever he was wearing in the New Year's Day video.

Don't know how many years on but still bring the ROFLs...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5DU4_IFLgMY/VVYqz-I7spI/AAAAAAAAGQs/AxuBoUcuGlE/w640-h360/wY7Wu7f.gif

exactly

https://i.imgur.com/6amJt5J.jpeg

lol boston edge

With Or Without Q

lmao

otm

the master of echo chamber delay