― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link
I bought Mirage today b/c I was fed up with only knowing "Gypsy" and "Hold Me" (and both of those are brilliant).
"Eyes of the World"!!! is this tune amazing or whut. I want that guitar riff to go on forever and ever. Odd how for all his excesses Buckingham always cuts his tunes too short. He sounds quite crazed on this album - moreso than on "Tusk" which is practically mannered by comparison.
"Oh Diane" is awful.
Alfred, how can you hate "Wish You Were Here"?
― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I used to own this, didn't like it much overall. Perhaps a revisit is due. How anything could be better than "Gypsy" is hard to conceptualize, though.
― Bimble, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes it's hard. It actually doesn't sound so good in the context of the album, but i have loved that single for ever and ever, from a certain angle it is the ultimate Nicks song. Buckingham's guitar solo...
― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
"Wish You Were Here" revives the intro piano part from "Silver Springs" and goes downhill from there. I've warmed to "Only Over You," however. "Love in Store" still smokes, though: I get chills when the three voices sing "NEVER TAKE YOUR LOVE AWAY."
The Mac revived "Eyes of the World" on their 2003 tour – an excuse for Buckingham hysteria.
Listen to "Can't Go Back" and "Book of Love" back to back, Tim. Oh – what do you think of the Stevie songs?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Love "Gypsy" of course (see prior post). "Straight Back" I still need to absorb. The other one depends on whether I can accept rootsy Stevie in my life.
"Can't Go Back" and "Book of Love" have the most weirdly grunty vocals. Like them both a lot on first listen.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link
speaking of 80s nicks, can anyone tell me about this: http://www.discogs.com/release/723670
i keep seeing it around in bargain bins, is it worth getting?
― creme1, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link
All the Stevie songs obviously better than "Welcome to the Room, Sara" which I find unlistenable.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm talking about the Mirage Stevie songs, but I assume that applies to The Wild Heart too.
"That's Alright" may be the last time cocaine allowed her voice to go that high.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think her voice really "settled" until Say You Will, by which point the damage sounds naturalised.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Say You Will is really great...I've been meaning to replay since I discovered Marcello's marvelous defense a couple of months ago.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
only one bad track, which is quite a feat given how long it is.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Seriously, Say You Will is so underrated. I'd say well over half of the tracks on there, if they were transported onto other FM albums, would be considered highlights.
"Red Rover"! "Smile At You"! "Bleed To Love Her"! "When I See You Again"!
― Tim F, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
The real highlight is "Thrown Down," which on the most basic level (craft) is terrific, and makes an excellent case for Nicks' continuing growth as a songwriter (Buckingham's guitar filigrees on the chorus are superb too).
It sounds tired to keep repeating how much McVie is missed; she's the emollient, whose grease would have prevented the album from feeling twice as long.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link
I really shoud buy this. I love the others, but memories of Oh Diane put me off.
― Keith, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, and Tim – email me when you get a chance.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link
WHERE IS IAN
― 69, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I am loving this album so much! I have been listening to it obsessively. Every song is good except for "Oh Diane" and even that is bearable now. And the best bits are just amazing - like the snarled chorus of "Book of Love", Stevie's plaintive "PUHLEEASE!" on "That's Alright", or just the entirety of "Eyes of the World", NOT TO MENTION "Hold Me"....
The moment you know Lindsay is crazy though is on "Empire State" with the intensely grunted "STRAIGHT!!!!.... STRAIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF ME!"
― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 07:32 (sixteen years ago) link
EYES OF THE - EYES OF THE - EYES OF THE WORLD
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 11:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I just heard this for the first time. It might not be as "classic" as their '70s albums, but it sure does have a lot of stunning songs. i agree with the original post that the Nicks material is sub-par, but only in the strictest "songwriting" sense; the band as a whole is still top-notch on the Nicks tracks and they sound great. But I have a pressing concern about the opinions of everyone on this thread: what do you all have against "Oh Diane"??? I remembered reading about how it was supposedly bad, and when I heard it I was shocked by how beautiful it was! It's so good! I don't get you guys!
― aaron d.g., Sunday, 9 September 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link
It's just the hack Elvis impersonation that annoys. I like it more than I did initially. It's still the worst (or least good) song on the album.
Re Stevie - "Gypsy" is of course fabulous, and I'm totally in love with "That's Alright", the chorus is brilliant. Only "Straight Back" is a bit off in the songwriting dept.
― Tim F, Monday, 10 September 2007 07:43 (sixteen years ago) link
"Straight Back" sounds like it's missing...something: a melody, a bridge, a middle eight. I can't put my finger on it.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 10 September 2007 11:07 (sixteen years ago) link
xxpost I know! It's one of my favourite off this one. Eyes of the World is classic.
― I know, right?, Monday, 10 September 2007 11:23 (sixteen years ago) link
only just got this - why did it take me so long???
― just sayin, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't go backcan't go back
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
<3
― just sayin, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
A new Remastered & Expanded version of Mirage is due for release in mid-2011 buy Rhino/Warner Music Group. CD 1 will be the original album remastered and CD 2 will feature bonus material taken from the Mirage era, such as B-sides and outtakes. A track listing for this release has not yet been announced.
― just sayin, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
!!!!!!!
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh my god
― Davey D, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't wait for the Tango reissue. The B-sides and 12" mixes from that era were amazing.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
after all these years i still don't have a copy of mirage to call my own. if i had my way i'd chop 'oh diane' off the tracklist but oh well
― bouquet brigade (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Awesome. I love this hyperactive uber-Buckingham all treble, all the time edition of FM. Sp precise yet so crazy at the same time.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
idg why people hate o diane, i love it
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
"Only Over You" and "Straight Back" are the only duds.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Spot on description Josh.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"Eyes of the World" certainly fits that description.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
We never polled this iirc? Could it be because Gypsy would be the ahem, "landslide" winner?
I would like a proper release of this haunting SNicks demo of Gypsy with just her on organ/vox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKIC_Kza4Ek
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ Never heard this before. Gobsmacked...
― Glorified Lolcat (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
whoa, that demo is awesome!
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm assuming that's Nicks herself on organ, right?
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
this is pretty awesome indeed. i assume that's a wurli, no?
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Dang, that's something else.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Found this, too, which reveals the bluesier roots of a song I never really though of as such:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxdJLw9C830
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
And wow, this link reveals a trove of demos and outtakes out there, somewhere:
http://www.inspiredangel.com/fmdemos.php
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/fleetwood-mac-25-years-the-mirage-sessions-101500.html
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey, look: more Mirage demos and outtakes!
hxxp://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z55QPYSU
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Love "Straight Back". What a production job building up and sustaining a lyric that's about ... who the f___ knows what but it sounds gorgeous in the process. Great headphones albums these (Rumours thru Tango).
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 13:07 (three years ago) link
mirage remaster is i think the best remaster i've ever heard
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 13:13 (three years ago) link
Loving it!
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 13:13 (three years ago) link
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson),
It transformed the album for me.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 13:15 (three years ago) link
"Straight Back" is the only new song Nicks contributed; "Gypsy" and the too underrated "That's Alright" are Rumours and Tusk cast-offs.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 13:16 (three years ago) link
I know "Tusk" and "Tango" feature tracks that are, for all purposes, entirely Lindsey. Is that true for "Mirage" as well? Like "Can't Go Back" or "Empire State" or "Oh Diane," they sound like they could be Lindsey solo specials.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
"Eyes of the World," too. The drums on that one, "Can't Go Back" and "Diane" could even very well be looped or drum machine.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link
I'd say "Empire State" sounds like a solo performance.
The band's done terrific live performances of "Eyes of the World" in the last thirty years.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link
oh good a new opportunity to embed this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TV6BEwJEKI
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link
"Straight Back" is the only new song Nicks contributed; "Gypsy" and the too underrated "That's Alright" are Rumours and Tusk cast-offs.― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 18, 2020 6:16 AM (two hours ago)
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 18, 2020 6:16 AM (two hours ago)
nope, "That's Alright" dates back to the Buckingham/Nicks demos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvFKPtBuNCY
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link
Alfred you esp. should hear those demos if you haven't.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
I knew that both Nicks & Buckingham had deep NorCal roots (both attended Menlo-Atherton HS & San Jose State, then Rumours was recorded in Sausalito), but this little gem in the wiki for Buckingham Nicks demo:
In 1972, the two continued to write songs, recording demo tapes at night in Daly City on a half-inch four-track Ampex tape machine Buckingham kept at the coffee roasting plant belonging to his father.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli),
I am! It's frustrating in the best sense to hear McVie's demo for what became "You & I, Part II" and realize what it's missing, hence the Buckingham co-writing credit.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
"Book of Love" still my absolute fave!!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
^^^
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link
SURELY HE MUST KNOW ALL THE RUUULLLLES
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 19:53 (three years ago) link
ha ha ha ha
Buckingham’s best work here has this quality of being totally pop and completely unhinged at the same time. I expect him to collapse and start frothing at the mouth during “The Book of Love”.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 20:30 (three years ago) link
Well, he started frothing in this 1982 performance of "The Chain."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGykwC0fdJ4
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link
https://youtu.be/RTa6KEE9cZU
― calstars, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link
Well, he started frothing in this 1982 performance of "The Chain."📹
― calstars, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link
Buckingham is visibly off his face in the video for Trouble, as are his backimg band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyONfX5bpyQ
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
By most/many accounts Lindsey was not into coke, and certainly not to the debilitating degree of Mick or Stevie. I'm sure he dabbled, but I suspect he's just naturally high strung. But then you watch the 1982 video and you think ... just naturally high strung?
It does seem that when bands get into coke that's when things go downhill. But in the case of Fleetwood Mac, when Mick and Stevie went nuts with the stuff it took Lindsey to keep everyone in line (har) and/or salvage their work, which implies he was *not* off his head. And all of his solo stuff is very consistent, very much of a piece and style, so I do wonder if that's just the way he is.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:25 (three years ago) link
He's not a coke guy; he's been public for years about his epilepsy. Less so about his anger, especially toward women.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
I defer to you experts but in the Caillat book he mentions LB snorting up the drugs more than once
― calstars, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:45 (three years ago) link
Sure. But Nicks is candid: she has said he did drugs, just fewer and less often than the others
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link
From what I know of the era it sounds like everyone was doing some coke, but Lindsey said he was more a pot guy.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:51 (three years ago) link
sigh, I was only able to appreciate “don’t stop” when some poster (m bison?) pointed out that it works better if you imagine Lindsey *extremely on cocaine*
― brimstead, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:53 (three years ago) link
The Simpsons is how I had that revelation, when Bart sings "Don't Stop" after taking a bunch of Focusyn
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 23:56 (three years ago) link
― brimstead, Tuesday, August 18, 2020 5:53 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
this sounds like some shit i said, m bison otm
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Thursday, 20 August 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link
terrified that my urge to hear Book Of Love after a dramatic day means I have the emotional maturity of Lindsey Buckingham
― what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Monday, 22 January 2024 03:35 (two months ago) link
whoa oh oh ohhhhhhohhhhhhh
just center yourself on the rock solid emotional maturity of john mcvie, be the penguin
― Florin Cuchares, Monday, 22 January 2024 05:18 (two months ago) link
interesting "that's alright" goes all the way back to buckingham/nicks
an all time tune for me, enjoy the alternate version too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngO6-a6NAIc
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 22 January 2024 12:25 (two months ago) link
One of the last times Nicks could hit those high notes before her nose surrendered to coke.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 January 2024 12:48 (two months ago) link
Love Mirage! That's Alright is a really strong song, after hearing the coffee plant demo and realizing how old it is I'm surprised they waited until the 80s before using it. Maybe it was too C/W for the prior albums? I dunno. Better song to me than I Don't Want to Know or Blue Letter, both older tunes dusted off and repurposed for FM.
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 02:05 (two months ago) link
"That's Alright" is the only non-single on here that's memorable to me.I was pretty surprised, hearing this record years after their 70s run, how traditional the sound palette was, and especially knowing how completely they'd give in to sampling and programming on the follow-up. I guess 1982 was just on the cusp of these superstar acts still recording with piano, organ, "organic"-sounding harmonies, etc. Also probably the conservatism reflects Lindsey being a good boy after Tusk.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 02:19 (two months ago) link
I don't find this album particularly traditional-sounding, especially given the much-vaunted experimentalism of Tusk is largely confined to a handful of tracks (that's not a criticism: a tune like "Over and Over" is not terribly experimental but is still absolutely gorgeous-sounding).
On Mirage the interplay of competing elements - both between various instruments and then between lead versus backing vocals - is incredibly intense, even as formally there is more of an investment in "classic" pop manoeuvres (e.g. the harmonies having a slight barbershop vibe at times).
This culminates on "Hold Me" which is like an intricately wrought musical box, but also elsewhere and more subtly, like on "Only Over You": the complex but unthreatening interweaving of distant sighing backing vocals, churning bass, whining or droning organ, rat a tat drum rolls and a twinkling King Sunny Ade guitar solo from another room (notice how this song immediately repeats the trick from "Gypsy" of fading out on what might have been a much longer solo).
And of course "Eyes of the World" is just nuts, the intro to the guitar solo where it's like a serrated knife cutting through the rest of the arrangement in order to take over the track feels like peak Buckingham to me.
A close listen reveals the importance of Mirage as a bridge between Tusk and Tango rather than as a retrenchment.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 02:41 (two months ago) link
My ears always fix on the gated/prominent reverb of this album. The eighties!
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 03:53 (two months ago) link
Mirage sounds conservative only next to Tusk.
I've realized that Halfway there but for you just about never agree on music.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 10:33 (two months ago) link
* Halfway there but for you and I
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro),
This album doesn't sound '80s. The ethos is still post-punk.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 10:35 (two months ago) link
just about never agree on music.
We like some of the same things, just different parts. That's one of the things I like to learn on this site.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 15:09 (two months ago) link