― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link
50s rock - Presley, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Jery Lee Lewis, Buddy HollyRay CharlesYardbirds Rolling Stonesthe Shadowsthe Animalsthe BeatlesJohn Mayall BandCreamBeach BoysByrdsJimi Hendrix Experiencethe KinksJames BrownMose AllisonCaptain BeefheartJohn ColtraneMiles DavisBob DylanFleetwood MacTrafficthe BandOtis reddingCharles MingusAretha FranklinThemCredence Clearwater RevivalFrank ZappaCrosby Stills and NashBlues - Robert Johnson, Buddy Guy, Junior Parker, Albert King, Howlin' Wolf, Magic Sam, John Lee Hooker, BB King etc. etc.MotownStax
There's probably quite a bit I've forgotten, and I haven't included folk/folk-rock, SanFran bands and the Velvet Underground
Actually Bavid Bowie's "Pin Ups" isn't a bad indication of the things they were listening to
― Bumfluff, Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link
I fully expect to get ripped apart for misunderstanding the question
― Bumfluff, Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link
My opinion is that that stuff was all about staged encounters on seaside resorts not any kind of musical divide
― Bumfluff, Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bumfluff, Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bumfluff, Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bumfluff, Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Sunday, 8 August 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Curt (cgould), Sunday, 8 August 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 8 August 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Post of the year.
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 8 August 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bumfluff, Monday, 9 August 2004 03:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 9 August 2004 03:35 (nineteen years ago) link
There really were Mods and Rockers, too. The ultimate Mod band wasn't the Who, it was the Small Faces. The Creation, the Easybeats, and the Kinks were obviously more Mod than Rocker. Rockers believed rock and roll stopped when Eddie Cochran was killed in 1960--they were kind of the roots-rockers of their era. They did all get drunk and pilled up and fight at resorts, which was obviously a good thing for them to have done. Also a lot of that era was based on a healthy skepticism about jazz, specifically all that shitty "trad" stuff which was British people in bowties trying to recreate Dixieland, as well as skepticism about the whole post-bop scene. Altho in "Absolute Beginners" all that seemed to somewhat coexist.
Skiffle was British people doing jug-band music and ropey old American folk songs. Lonnie Donegan, who was one of the first signs of life in the British rock and roll scene. I mean why listen to that when you can hear Gus Cannon?
In America I think it was somewhat different, just because the musicians were so much closer to their sources. You had rednecks like Dan Penn all into Bobby Bland and soul music, and obviously lots of white soul bands doing "Knock on Wood" for sorority parties and so forth. And you had those guitar-lick worshippers playing blues just like in England, except that I'd say Mike Bloomfield and others tended to get the ethos of blues a bit better getting knives pulled on them in Chicago than someone who learned at the knee of Alexis Korner.
I hesitate to say it was a more fertile scene but it certainly seems less pretentious in every way than today, and it was probably more truly diverse. I just think that it's always a bad thing when musicians start wearing their influences on their sleeves instead of just doing what they feel like doing, and in that regard there's not a whole lot of difference between now and then...
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 9 August 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link
So they all coulda been like Steely Dan?
The thing is, the '70s were all about mourning the fucking Beatles, but you also had an awareness of what jazz had done over the last forty years. Slightly more harmonic sophistication by then. It came from bebop but mainly from that so-called modal jazz scene of the '50s. It took rap music and various other things to get people away from the misconceived notion that the Beatles were the be-all of previous music. Because it was, you know, James Brown all along...
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 9 August 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 9 August 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 9 August 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 9 August 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 25 September 2006 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Monday, 25 September 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― any cop (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lennon's_jukebox
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/lennon/
But yeah, the de facto answer still is Chuck Berry. He was one of the main roots of their generation.
― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link
In the UK, Skiffle is to 1957 as Punk is to '77 and Acid House is to '89.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:25 (seventeen years ago) link
(thanks for the link)
― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie says, ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark 0 (mark 0), Monday, 25 September 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link
They don't. They listen to "classic" hard rock from the 70s or 80s: Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Iron Maiden etc.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 25 September 2006 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Monday, 25 September 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link
Boogie Woogie was embraced by the burgeoning Western Swing scene around 1932 with the Fort Worth Doughboys. Bill Monroe's influence may've been over individual artists...but very specifically, it was Bob Wills and Milton Brown who broadend Country into Western Swing.
Before that, it was mostly in the lineage of the Bristol Session, Carter Family, and Jimmie Rodgers on one hand, and the novelty of Hawaaiin Cowboys on the other (which I love to no end). Bob Wills and Milton Brown took all of that, and combined it with Boogie Woogie with the specific intentions on making dance music for barn dances, similar to Black juke joints.
While Western Swing was still thinking about Boogie Woogie, Boogie Woogie itself had already morphed into Jump Blues around 1936 with groups like Harlem Hamfats and Louis Jordan (which, despite the "rock comes from Blues" myth, Jump Blues really isn't so much Blues as much as it is taboo juke/dance music, psuedo swing with blues chord progressions -- but much of mainstream Swing at the time also had Blues chord progressions). This is all very different than Robert Johnson and such.
But the dance between Hillbilly and R&B continued on (well before Rockabilly). Western Swing morphed into Hillbilly Boogie during the R&B thing, probably around the time Hank Penny was coming into his own in the early 40's.
R&B began making mock gospel records with juke themes around 1945 with songs like "Who Threw the Whiskey in the Well".
The "rock" element in this lineage was basically in 1949 when a whole host of R&B artists started to syncopate the beat in a rocking style.
This dance between Metro Black and Urban Hillbilly finally leaked over to radio that year in Memphis when WDIA's all black station influenced the white Dewey Phillips to do something similar at WHBQ. That influenced WLAC in Nashville to follow suit, but rather than keeping it local, they broadcasted to the entire East Coast with the 500,000 watt transmitter. This spread R&B/Jump Blues to White audiences everywhere within range, including Alan Freed's little psuedo-Jazz show in Akron Ohio. Freed got popular enough with his show to get a job in Cleveland, where he met Leo Mintz. Mintz convinced Freed to switch format to R&B as a way to advertise Mint's store, Record Rendezvous.
Hillbilly Boogie and R&B traded catalog back and forth. The rockist canon has dug only deep enough to cite 1951's Ida Red/Rocket 88 connection, but this was hardly the first, much less all that unique.
Moondog Coronation Ball - 1952
Elvis & Bill Haley record souped up Hillbilly Boogie (creating the template for Rockabilly) - 1954
Blackboard Jungle - 1955
Elvis signed to RCA - 1956
Dick Clark watered it down with white teen Idols - roughly 1957
R&B (and its Doo-wop offshoot) morphs into Soul and becomes embraced into mainstream Rock via Jackie Wilson & Sam Cooke with "Lonely Teardrops" and "You Send Me" in 1957 after taking cues from Ray Charles and James Brown.
Payola Scandel shuts down freeform radio jocks - 1959
1959 - Motown & Stax formed. Motown has a pop hit right away with Barrett Strong's Money, followed by The Miracles' "Shop Around" in 1960.
ABC Records and RCA Records decide to start singing Soul groups (Ray Charles, Sam Cooke, et al) and crossing them over to pop charts in 1960.
Again, White America followed suit with hit factories sprouting up and taking their teen idols and having them work off of a watered down Soul template (e.g. Little Eva's "The Loco-motion", The Exciters' "Tell Him", Leslie Gore, Little Peggy March, etc.) This is most likely what weeded out the country influence in contemporary pop.
It took The Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" in 1963 to put this 60's garage sound on the map to create this lineage of the 60's rock canon.
The "we were inspired by American Blues and some country or whatever" thing has been overstated as some kind of blurry fact by people like Wagamuffin forever when all the facts are out there...
― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark 0 (mark 0), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.cod.edu/dept/athletic/teams/soccer/alumni/_notes/burns.jpg
"Excellent!"
― mark 0 (mark 0), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link
not OTM.
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark 0 (mark 0), Monday, 25 September 2006 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link
But it's not really about the photos; Montez came into his own (such as it was) as an Alpert-produced balladeer, a few years after the lo-fi roller-rinky-dinkitudinous (but still classic) "Let's Dance", which left a somewhat less-than-lasting impression on subsequent rock, compared to "Louie Louie".
― mark 0 (mark 0), Friday, 29 September 2006 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie puts out again and gives up again and puts out again and gives (Pap, Friday, 29 September 2006 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Friday, 29 September 2006 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link
NO CONTEST.
Chris Montez's Call Me PWNS all other music anyway.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link
Uh, oh yeah, LOUIE LOUIE AND SHIT!! FUCK!!
― PappaWheelie puts out again and gives up again and puts out again and gives (Pap, Friday, 29 September 2006 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link
1 The Modern Folk Quartet – This Could Be the Night 292 Alvin Robinson – Down Home Girl 273 Chris Montez – The Face I Love 25
― PappaWheelie puts out again and gives up again and puts out again and gives (Pap, Friday, 29 September 2006 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark 0 (mark 0), Friday, 29 September 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link
-- PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (evieandjo...), September 27th, 2006. (later)
The new PEW thread is 1,000x funnier
― PappaWheelie puts out again and gives up again and puts out again and gives (Pap, Friday, 29 September 2006 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 29 September 2006 03:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link
ah this song is SO AWESOME
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 September 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link
TS: louie louie as a million cover versions vs. Let's Dance as covered by the Silicon Teens.
b-b-but Ramones cover "let's dance" on The Most Important Album of All Time! that david bowie cover sux though
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link
I never knew he did Let's Dance though! I are stupid.
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link
Chris Montez at AMG
One of the leading rockers in the Los Angeles Hispanic community after the tragic death of Ritchie Valens, Chris Montez later mellowed out under the tutelage of Herb Alpert and tallied several MOR-style hits. His first smash was on Monogram in 1962, "Let's Dance." It was a grinding rocker with roller-rink organ. Montez changed his attitude after signing with A&M. With Alpert producing, Montez adopted an easygoing approach on "Call Me," "The More I See You," and "Time After Time," all solid sellers in 1966. The formula quickly faded, however, and his final chart entry came the following year with "Because of You."
Hispanic Rock from the 50's-early 60's relly was a monster of it's own kind, with each head being incredibly different than the other (Ritchie Valens, The Premiers, Montez, etc.)
― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link
(btw - http://www.myspace.com/thesocietyofrockets)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 29 September 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― mucho (mucho), Friday, 29 September 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
So heres a question. What is the best cover of the Kingsmen version of 'louie louie' and what is the best cover of Montez's 'lets dance' (btw I'm assuming Montez's tune was an original)...
― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link
(shakey, if you've seen animal house, you've heard montez's let's dance)
― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 6 October 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 6 October 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link
Before you put too much more effort into it, I can give you one more tip. Paul McCartney appears on the recent Sun Records documentary too. You heard it here first!
― The PappaWheelie Story: Half Brain, Half Soul, All Mouth (on sale now) (PappaWhe, Friday, 6 October 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 6 October 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link
I think it's nearly impossible to desecrate Louie Louie.
― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Friday, 6 October 2006 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Ice Cream Electric (docido...), October 6th, 2006. (later)
louie louie? gimme a break.
-- Squirrel_Police (goblinatri...), September 25th, 2006.
― The PappaWheelie Story: Half Brain, Half Soul, All Mouth (on sale now) (PappaWhe, Saturday, 7 October 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Squirrel_Police (goblinatri...), October 6th, 2006. (later)
Confuse your actions with others reactions much?
― PappaWheelie: Giving out breaks to the needy since September 25th, 2006 (PappaWh, Saturday, 7 October 2006 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link