― fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link
but yeah you're right it takes the fckng p-ss doesn't it?
latest word is that magical mystery tour is coming out on dvd with all sorts of extra stuff. as if the actual movie isn't like 1 big 'extra' already.
― piscesboy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link
What isn't, really?
OK, why is it Paul's fault?
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link
maybe it's a question of who's up to the job, george martin sure as heck isn't. god don't let them get ELO=guy in again.
meanwhile, this ere beatles 10-dvd anthology unofficial bootleg edition can be yours for $150 :
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-BEATLES-Anthology-Directors-Cut-Real-10-DVDs_W0QQitemZ6430061859QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
must say i'm tempted
― piscesboy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link
That said, Macca, Ono, the Harrison family, and Da Ringosta can take their time settling this. I plan to finally digitize and sell off the CDs while I can get 'em for at least $4+ each back.
― donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,70658-0.html?tw=rss.index
― Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link
But it's not wrong to continue to sell them on cd?
Agree re Past Masters/Anthology but they're such cash cows that they're not going to do it.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― amateurist0, Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 13 April 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Ah yes, the Beatles. I say buy the albums.
― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 13 April 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Lotta Continua (Damian), Thursday, 13 April 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link
It would be nice if they released the red and blue anthologies so that they were in modern slimline 2CD cases rather than the FUCKING MASSIVE and HORRIBLE ones that they are in now.
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 13 April 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael Lambert (Michael Lambert), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link
Are the people not interested in paying for pricey new editions of things really the target market for remastered versions of CDs that are available in droves in used CD stores the world over?
Seriously, I don't see what's so much better (and less cash-cow-ish) about retaining Past Masters and Anthology. OK, so it's kind of cool to have all the singles in one place, but it also robs them of context AND presents a somewhat confusing picture for buyers, who can't figure out which album it is that has "I Want To Hold Your Hand" on it. The PM sets are also really oddly-balanced, anyway - not quite a greatest hits, not quite an odds-and-sods. The Anthologies are just plain obnoxious, especially the first one with all the talky-talky bits.
I guess I'm just coming from a perspective where, if they just remaster the CDs I'll take a pass because I have the LPs already. But if they sweeten the deal I just might think it over, at least for a couple, assuming they went ahead and added more outtake/live stuff. Granted, they would still be kind of weirdly-sequenced albums with one or two singles at the front followed by a bunch of obscurities.... okay, maybe keep Past Masters after all. But I REALLY think it makes more sense to get the unreleased and live material wedded on to the appropriate albums - if nothing else, it means getting MORE of it, right?
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link
What is an example where he has ever done this?
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link
Secondly, Paul has little need to turn himself up anyway. He took a lot of care, recording his bass lines on a single track and spent ages getting the sound right. Why not? It's his friggin songs for fuxake!
― everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link
anthology 2 is the best, what with the stoned cracking-up version of and your bird can sing and the gorgeous demos of strawberry fields. 3 is good for the white album stuff, and 1 is probably the only time any americans (me included) will ever hear any morecambe and wise.
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Well, they are getting slightly more plentiful. In fact, I got most of my collection used. But, then again, I've been lucky. The worst thing about used Beatle cds is that stores priced higher than average (i.e. in the US 10-12 dollars vs. 7-9). Shopping around helps, and the prices have leveled off (and no doubt will continue)
I will concur regarding the Anthologies and the BBC, but--to cite my earlier post--alot of the people who bought them probably realized that they didn't listen to them as much as the regular LPs.
― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link
Neil Aspinall is probably the one to blame.
Anyway, seems like some good news is finally coming up.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link
While I agree that they need remastering, I don't neccessarily agree with your version of what they sounded like. The first four, sure, but the rest, particularly from "Sgt. Pepper" onwards, used state of the art remastering technology at the time, and sounded really impressive back then.
Only this is 20 years ago and a lot has happened since then.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link
I think the Anthologies are a pretty good distillation of the best stuff that makes up the two major bootleg series (ultra rare trax and, uh, whatever the other one is called; they have most of the same stuff on them). I could do w/out the talking on the first cd.
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 14 April 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Lotta Continua (Damian), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― ryan_w, Friday, 14 April 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost
― dave k, Friday, 14 April 2006 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 14 April 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 14 April 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 15 April 2006 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link
i mean it does take the piss doesn't it?
― pisces, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:18 (sixteen years ago) link
lo-lo-lo-looooots of piss, sir! :(
― t**t, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I bought Help for £1 in a charity shop the other week. It was cheap because the cover was ripped (and taped up again) and the vinyl's a bit crackly, but it's not scratched at all. Even with the crackles it sounds great - a lot better than the CD versions, The Night Before especially gaining an awful lot of character and energy. I too am amazed there's no proper CD remaster, I guess because people are still buying the current shonky versions.
― The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link
This footage http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=compleat+beatles of 'The Compleat Beatles' (snappy 1984 cheaply-made proto-ANTHOLOGY movie, shot on film and narrated by Malcolm Mcdowell) is making me anticipate this happening all the more.
― pisces, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:02 (sixteen years ago) link
It will happen before or since, but apparently at still takes time.
I expected they'd at least do "Sgt. Pepper" in June this year to coincide with its 40th anniversary, but they did't.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link
But at least, with the current trend for remasters, the ultimate edition will be better. I hope they will do like The Bee Gees and Monkees remasters, and put out 2CDs with the stereo version + bonus tracks in stereo on one and the mono version + bonus tracks in mono on the other one.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Holy shit me too, what are we like..
― piscesx, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:33 (nine months ago) link
paul's lyrics already sound like they were written by AI, TS: "wonderful christmastime" vs. "The best Christmas present in the world is a blessing"
I honestly cannot think of a song that connects so completely with how I remember christmas as a kid as Wonderful Christmastime. Even the Peter Serafinowicz skit couldn't smear it for me.
I always liked Free As A Bird, the chorus at least (was cooler on the modern verse, and the Wilburies-esque slide guitar). Never felt too strongly about Real Love until the music teacher at my kid's school had the choir sing it at a concert a year or so back and it just makes me blub ugly tears when I hear it now as a result.
― serving aunt (stevie), Monday, 26 June 2023 07:36 (nine months ago) link
Real Love was always my preferred one of the two; it really does pierce my heart on "seems that all I really was doing was waiting for you". Regina Spektor did a good version that just goes on a bit too long. I don't think anyone notable has ever covered Free As A Bird, have they? They should!
― Alba, Monday, 26 June 2023 09:43 (nine months ago) link
Mine too.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 June 2023 10:12 (nine months ago) link
I didn’t think I would, but I think of them as part of the Beatles catalog now. It’s kind of a miracle they threw so much into the Anthology really, I mean George was so done with it all.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 26 June 2023 10:48 (nine months ago) link
Oh geez that was longer ago now than the project was after their breakup.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 26 June 2023 10:50 (nine months ago) link
George didn't have much of a choice about participating in the Anthology, as his film company was about to go bankrupt, and his business manager was stealing from him. I'd argue that George enjoyed it by making the new stuff work for him: he chose the producer, he put his slide guitar all over the songs, and stood up to Paul.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 26 June 2023 14:00 (nine months ago) link
"Real Love" isn't bad - like if I pretend it was a Lennon guest spot on, say, the first Traveling Wilburys album, it would be a stand out - but Jesus, they processed the shit out of Lennon's vocal and it sounds awful compared to the recording used in his own Anthology (and also on Wonsaponatime). I think someone said that the cassette they used was a poor quality dub, i.e. far from the best master now known to exist, and to be fair maybe Lynne was trying to hide that in some way. If anything they should remix that track using the better source tape and use A.I. to help clean it up.
― birdistheword, Monday, 26 June 2023 16:32 (nine months ago) link
lol George already looks fed up with Paul at 2:30:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQi3UkJbIGM
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 June 2023 16:34 (nine months ago) link
George would've been happy without the cameras there. And Paul would've been unhappy without the cameras there.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 26 June 2023 16:43 (nine months ago) link
George and Paul said often that so long as they talked about their wives, kids, gardening, anything but The Beatles, really, they were best mates.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 June 2023 16:46 (nine months ago) link
Makes sense.
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 June 2023 17:03 (nine months ago) link
but Jesus, they processed the shit out of Lennon's vocal and it sounds awful compared to the recording used in his own Anthology
this is where the ai-enhanced demixing technology can really work wonders, so I wonder if we'll get remixes of both of these songs.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 26 June 2023 17:48 (nine months ago) link
i'm listening to ram this morning and if you don't think this rules you're trying too hard
― ivy (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:46 (nine months ago) link
oh i see this isn't even where the ram discussion was happening
too many people here preaching practices imo
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 13:48 (nine months ago) link
Now I want to know where the Ram discussion is happening
― Alba, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 14:12 (nine months ago) link
I’ll talk about Ram all day. Where’s the kettle on the boil there?
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 21:06 (nine months ago) link
Press to Play, y'all.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 June 2023 22:08 (nine months ago) link
Rumour has it that Giles Martin is using Peter Jackson's AI stuff to remix the Red and Blue albums to coincide the release of the "new" Beatles track.
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Monday, 17 July 2023 18:38 (eight months ago) link
Yes apparently he said the remixes “sound like Imagine Dragons, but it’s The Beatles”.Also Paul's voice has reportedly been de-aged for Now and Then. I choose to believe none of this is true.
― Alba, Monday, 17 July 2023 18:51 (eight months ago) link
I’m here for the Anthology singles with the Lynne dialed down. Probably too awkward if Giles were to do it while Lynne is still around, tho.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 17 July 2023 19:25 (eight months ago) link
Imagine there are dragonsIt's easy if you try
― Exit, pursued by a beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 July 2023 19:36 (eight months ago) link
Funny how this thread was borne out of the frustration that nothing was being done with the Beatles' records, and now it's gone really far in the wrong direction.
― birdistheword, Monday, 17 July 2023 20:20 (eight months ago) link
haha
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 17 July 2023 20:21 (eight months ago) link
"I have had it up to here with the endless remasters of the Beatles catalogue"
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 17 July 2023 20:22 (eight months ago) link
It's only in the last few years that I've actually started to dive into the Beatles' catalogue. I knew most of these songs already of course. When I was a kid a lot of these songs sounded old but they were still relevant. It still felt like a lot of popular groups had taken cues from them. I mean even The Offspring had a big hit with a song that completely copped a Beatles tune. And all the TV and movies was being written by 60s kids who shoved Beatles references into everything. Well now we're a full generation away from that, with an entire crop of pop stars who might not really know shit about the Beatles, and I'm telling you, right now their music sounds like it was made 500 years ago
― frogbs, Friday, 11 August 2023 02:47 (seven months ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Baroquebeatlesbook.jpg
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 11 August 2023 04:46 (seven months ago) link
That’s for sure. It’s crazy how much the Beatles seeped into ‘80s and ‘90s culture (television shows, films), but ever since Guitar Hero, I feel like they’ve definitely become much more of a long bygone era type of thing, like Sinatra probably was towards the end of his career. McCartney can actually take the train now - I doubt that would have been possible 20 years ago.
― birdistheword, Friday, 11 August 2023 04:59 (seven months ago) link
When this thread was started in 2005, there might have been an expectation that the Beatles albums would get audiophile re-releases on SACD like so many of their peers. Two decades later, it rather surprises me that the Beatles never appeared on that format.
― Melomane, Friday, 11 August 2023 12:32 (seven months ago) link
We really have to do this every few years don’t we?
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Friday, 11 August 2023 14:15 (seven months ago) link
McCartney can actually take the train now - I doubt that would have been possible 20 years ago.― birdistheword
― birdistheword
kids start looking at mccartneymccartney starts to internally go "oh shit"kids: "hey look it's an old lesbian"mccartney breathes a sigh of relief, this is always what kids say when they look at him these days but every time he still worries
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 11 August 2023 14:39 (seven months ago) link
I thought this mean he was involved somehow in that Sheena Easton song.
― The Original Human Breadbox (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 August 2023 14:55 (seven months ago) link
ironically their very earliest stuff probably sounds the most relevant now to me, probably because the blues will never die
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 11 August 2023 15:44 (seven months ago) link
The early stuff can definitely blindside you with its energy in a way the later stuff doesn't.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 11 August 2023 15:58 (seven months ago) link
twist and shout goes
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 11 August 2023 16:02 (seven months ago) link
(dickhead comment warning)
the mono mixes of the early records were a real revelation for me, so much more energy
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 August 2023 16:03 (seven months ago) link
"We really have to do this every few years don’t we?"
we don't have to do it much anymore really because they have been remastered and now are being remixed and remastered.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 11 August 2023 16:08 (seven months ago) link
I did think this thread was being revived because the red and blue packages had been officially announced along with Now and Then; rumor was that was supposed to happen this week
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 11 August 2023 16:09 (seven months ago) link
My Macca takes the morning train
― Bonobo Vox (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 11 August 2023 17:46 (seven months ago) link
He works from 9 to 5 and Lennon
― Mark G, Sunday, 13 August 2023 15:50 (seven months ago) link
ok this new AI remix…what the hell is that repeating explosion sound during the bridge of “hey bulldog”? Sounds like someone rattling a reverb plate or something??
― brimstead, Thursday, 23 November 2023 00:27 (four months ago) link
the “you can talk to me” part
― brimstead, Thursday, 23 November 2023 00:28 (four months ago) link
It’s an additional snare drum. It was always there (and arguably more audible on the previous stereo mix).
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 23 November 2023 04:52 (four months ago) link
I wondered that too and yeah it's in the original mix but quieter.
It sounds like a snare reverb, but with a delay in front of it. Nowadays you call it pre-delay on a reverb unit, not sure how they managed that in 1968, perhaps with an Echoplex or a Binson and a bit of patching.
― MaresNest, Thursday, 23 November 2023 14:41 (four months ago) link
Funny I find it less audible in the remix. Maybe because I’m so used to hearing it clearly in the previous stereo mix.
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 23 November 2023 15:14 (four months ago) link
Cool idea/detail anyway !
weird, yeah, went back and AB-d it with the 2009 mix and couldn’t really hear it. But I know I’m probably listening more closely to this new stuff so maybe most of the new stuff I’m hearing isn’t really new. That said, the set does sound quite dynamic, yeah? Like when Ringo’s drums come in at the middle 8 of “this boy”, it’s like BOOM
― brimstead, Thursday, 23 November 2023 18:50 (four months ago) link
Wasn't the remix exclusive to the Yellow Submarine Songtrack comp from the '00s?
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 November 2023 19:04 (four months ago) link
The baseline on Hey Bulldog is such a joy (not just on the new mix)
― Alba, Thursday, 23 November 2023 19:12 (four months ago) link