― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 18 March 2005 02:30 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm prepping a 4-way soul review for my blog (this, the new Solomon Burke, new Al Green, and the Baby Huey reissue), and she comes out way on top.
― southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 18 March 2005 02:43 (nineteen years ago) link
jon stewart: "you're so the GOOD kind of minister."
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 18 March 2005 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 18 March 2005 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 18 March 2005 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link
is this a different Baby Huey reissue, or is it finally released on cd?
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 02:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.daptonerecords.com/pages/home.html
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mr. Harvey Weinstein (mr harvey weinstein), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:19 (nineteen years ago) link
That phrase is audacious in its complete wrongness. Congrats.
― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link
The Solomon Burke doesn't compare well to the last one. It has moments, such as the version of "It Makes No Difference", but Don Was tends to ruin records for me as a producer, and some of the song interpretations just don't work (a too-popcorn-y version of Dylan's "What Good Am I", for example). Ray Parker Jr. burns on guitar, though. I think the difference besides the production is the last disc had lots of new tunes written for him; this is a strange mixture.
JaXOn - I don't know too much about Baby Huey, but this is The Living Legend, which I understand to be his only album. Reiussed in disc last December. For me, the first track dwarfs the rest.
― southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:34 (nineteen years ago) link
i think talking about Solomon Burke is really appropriate on this thread because i think that's the sound she's pulling on this album.
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Steve-k (Steve K), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
http://soulstrut.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=crates
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link
cheer up harvey!
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 18 March 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Mr. Harvey Weinstein (h...), March 18th, 2005.
?????????????!!!
Have you not seen the 786, 349 other threads devoted to soul, funk, and R&B here? There's no lack of love for The Good Groove 'round these parts, and to suggest that Sharon Jones and Co. are a token funk fave is nothing short of ludicrous.
― Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 18 March 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Friday, 18 March 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link
what specifically bothers you about the reverence, chuck?
(xpost cuz yer totally drunk)
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Friday, 18 March 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure I did read that a member of Brooklyn afrobeat band Antibalas is also a member of the Dap-Kings. Antibalas play indie-rock clubs and get more attention from some indie-rockers than actual African-based groups.
― steve-k, Friday, 18 March 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Chuck: isn't it kind of blindingly obvious that "Taxes" was supposed to be dumb, or at least duh-inducing? It's a complete homage to the J.B.'s "I'm Paying Taxes, What Am I Buying?"
― Matos in Austin (M Matos), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Friday, 18 March 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
antibalas and the dap-kings (and the dap-tones label peeps) are most definitely all part of one big happy family.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link
i think this is why i listened to it in the store, but didn't actually buy it
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link
actually, the two times i saw antibalas (which were, admittedly, at least two or three years ago), their audience struck me as way more "hippie" (= jam band) than "indie," per se. (supposedly, like ozomotli, they were highly connected with pre-election demonstrations last year; good for them, obviously.) antibalas and sharon jones have both recorded for dap tone, which takes its soul-revival shtick to the hilt: their website even lists 7-inch 45s on a page that looks like a jukebox, and they have some very lovely old-style album covers of their vinyl albums. all of which looks extremely inticing. i have yet to hear a single record on the label that i care about, though. And again, I'm sorry, but *Dap Dippin' with Sharon Jones and the Dap-kings* is one of the most corny-assed titles I've heard in years. The whole thing hits me as some kind of exercise in kitsch, though maybe it shouldn't (and maybe it wouldn't, if the music was much better.)
― xhuxk, Friday, 18 March 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link
for some reason, the one thing that struck me immediately about the record and the label was how much dap-tone records reminded me of play-tone records, the label in "that thing you do." which was pretty fantastic kitsch if you ask me.
have you heard the Daktaris? another Fela "cover band". somehow they're connected to the whole daptones crew
same basic people, in fact.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,848032,00.html
― xhuxk, Friday, 18 March 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Tantrum (tantrumtheca...) (webmail), March 18th, 2005 7:47 AM. (Tantrum The Cat) (link)
NYC 5/22: FREE outdoor show: Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, White Magic, Aa, Measles Mumps Rubella, Blood On The Wall
― Mr. Harvey Weinstein (mr harvey weinstein), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link
I'll be in the bathroom, washing the egg off my face.
― Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sara Sherr, Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link
I wrote something on Sharon Jones recently (a piece that owes DW's a hefty debt): http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1263/article12972.asp
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 19 March 2005 08:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Keith C (kcraw916), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
Here is Douglas Wolk's review of the album:
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0513,wolk,62487,22.html
― xhuxk, Friday, 8 April 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― b b, Friday, 8 April 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Didn't really like the latest Solomon Burke--I'm a fan of his Atlantic stuff and even of his soundtrack for "Cool Breeze" on which he does a version of the William Tell Overture...but he doesn't sing well, that Band tune he does is not such a great song ("stampeding cattle, they rattle the walls" sounds like a line from a bad parody Pavement tune), and while I'm a fan of Ray Parker Jr., why have Ray Parker play guitar, as good as he is, when you have Reggie Young? So I'm a purist. I think Howard Tate's last album was better than Burke's or even Al Green's last two, actually, as an updating of that sound.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 9 April 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link
I feel like Sharon Jones shows the danger of reverence—it's necessarily distancing, a sublimation of the individual to this Platonic soul ideal that ignores the idiosyncrasies of soul performance. It's being bounded so much by their love of the genre that they (her, Dap Kings, and their fans) are afraid to push at the edges of it. And it's conservative in a way that the great themes of soul music—teenage love, heartbreak, dancing, fucking, civil unrest—never were. She sacrifices being in the moment for being of the genre, a trade-off that I don't think is worthy.
― THESE ARE MY FEELINGS! FEEL MY FEELINGS! (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Oooh.
Does Sharon Jones need to care that her audience is full of white hipsters?
― jaymc, Friday, 21 May 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been noting on the chitlin circuit soul thread for years that Sharon Jones is marketed exclusively to indie-rockers. And of course, while it's not quite retro-soul in the same vein, the kind of soulful stuff that Chuck Eddy and I have been writing about on the chitlin circuit soul thread gets ignored completely in this article(because it is not so marketed).
Chitlin Circuit Double-entendre -filled Soul 2004 (and onward) Theodis Ealey's "Stand Up In It" is a song of the year
― curmudgeon, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno is this any different than, say, jazz guys in the late 50s playing to mainly white audiences? Also, dang, long article based on Brooklyn Vegan comments.
― tylerw, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
or jazz dudes going to france and scandanavia and etc to find audiences that would pay good money to see them.
i just hate articles like this, it's like any musician is lucky to find people that love what they do and are willing to pay to see them...
― i saw a necromancer at the buffalo wild wings in west st. paul (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
xp Different in that she's only really actively sought a career within the past ten years, I guess? Maybe someone like Betty LaVerne would make a better comparison with your jazzers.
― The Reverend, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
sharon jones should not be concerned that there are white people in her audience, no.
― Police Cool. (crüt), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I just want to say that I replayed her few-years-old "How Long Do I Have To Wait For You?" 45 a few days ago, and was surprised to find that I still like it enough to keep it. But right, she's dime-a-dozen compared to most of the current music by beloved singers her audience has never heard of that I hear on Southern Soul radio shows all the time; there's a good chance that music's fans -- who seem to, mainly, be black people in their 40s or older -- would find her mediocre. In the indie/adult-alternative realm, she still strikes me as a novelty act. More power to her, I guess; it's cool that she found an audience.
(Haven't read that piece linked to yet, fwiw.)
― xhuxk, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
the beach music scene of SC (which also grew out of the 60s soul tradition) has been fueled by a largely white audience iirc
― Police Cool. (crüt), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
xp (And I've still yet to hear any other songs by her as good as that one. Though I admittedly haven't checked out everything she's done.)
― xhuxk, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I read one page of that article before becoming too disgusted to finish.
Sharon Jones OTM, basically.
― Have a slice of wine! (HI DERE), Friday, 21 May 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Tangari agrees, but he thinks it's fair to ask if the Dap-Kings would be as popular if Jones were white.
"That's really hard to say, but I kind of don't think so," he says. "She'd just be coming from a different place, and it's also unlikely they'd have the same sound they do, which is part of what helps them."
questions like this are kinda bullshit IMO...like music "quality" is this scientific thing, you put a sharon jones MP3 in a petri dish and use and eye dropper to put some chemical on it and it turns blue if the music is "good"
i mean, sure, yeah race, class, clothes, personality, a whole shitload of things make a difference in how you see a performer
would bowie have been the same if he dropped the exact same ziggy stardust album but looked like rupert holmes?
http://www.comicgenius.com/DiscoFever/disco_profiles/rupert_holmes/images/rupert_holmes.jpg
― i saw a necromancer at the buffalo wild wings in west st. paul (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 21 May 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah -- Also heard her version of "This Land Is Your Land" again this week, by accident -- it was played over the opening credits of Up In The Air, which I finally rented through Netflix. Her song struck me as worse than the movie, which I didn't like all that much.
― xhuxk, Friday, 21 May 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
There are African-Americans still interested in soul though--but for the most part they're not interested in Sharon Jones because she's not marketed to them (and / or they may not like her throwback approach). When I saw Southern soul circuit regulars Lattimore and Marvin Sease and others on a big bill a year and a half ago at the Showplace Arena in Maryland outside Washington DC the nearly 3,000 people crowd consisted almost entirely of age 40 and up African-Americans. White guy me counted 5 other white people there. When I saw Sharon Jones at the 930 Club, the 1,000 person crowd was nearly all 20-something white folks. The Southern soul music labels are not reaching out to those Sharon Jones fans and those fans (including the likes of David Byrne, and Carrie Brownstein) are not seeking out Ecko and Malaco and other Southern soul label releases.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 21 May 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
failure of marketing imo
― dud rock (crüt), Friday, 21 May 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
sharon jones has a story angle -- the rikers island cop turned soul diva thing -- that npr-types love. that definitely accounts for some of their higher profile, right? but i'm curious -- you put sharon in front of a crowd like you describe in Maryland ... and they wouldn't go over well? they sort of strike me as a band that would go over well *anywhere*.
― tylerw, Friday, 21 May 2010 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
these kind of discussions always strike me as a way of avoiding having to handle the more difficult task of evaluating an artists work honestly & critically ...
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Sunday, 23 May 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
It would be very sad if this kind of thing fuels a backlash against her. But it's not unlikely.
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Friday, 28 May 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I hope this means they tour again. Best live show I've ever seen.
― The Reverend, Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:13 PM Bookmark
So should I splurge for NYE tickets since we have nothing else to do other than a couple of parties where we won't know anyone?
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck it, I did it.
Man, motherfuck a "processing fee" though. The tickets wound up about 20% more expensive than advertised. I'm writing to Obama about this.
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
worth every penny
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Saturday, 1 January 2011 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link
"daerest obama, this sharon jones show was worth every penny!!! you should check her out when she plays dc!!!!"
― not everything is a campfire (ian), Saturday, 1 January 2011 06:58 (thirteen years ago) link
rock the fuck out hurting; she's a a great showi'm friends with one of the sweet divines; how'd ya like their fauxtown stylings?
― predeep natsvitika (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 January 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Um, they weren't on the bill. I think you're thinking of the Marva Whitney show at the Bell House.
But Allen Toussaint was amazing.
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Saturday, 1 January 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
The Dap-Kings are such a great, great band. They did "Get Out My Life Woman" with him and it really sounded like his original recording.
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Saturday, 1 January 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
o fuck right, wrong show. tous is always an amazing time though; i think i've been at something like fourteen live perfs with him and he's always a mindboggler.
― predeep natsvitika (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 January 2011 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Just realized that my wedding photographer/shortlived former bassist in my band did the cover photo for I Learned the Hard Way. [ /brag ]
― bert yansh (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
Blick?
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 August 2012 04:04 (eleven years ago) link
Cool song, cooler video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOYkHjdpdM
― a fifth of misty beethoven (cryptosicko), Friday, 29 November 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
RIP
― the late great, Saturday, 19 November 2016 01:38 (seven years ago) link
:(
― art baengels (monotony), Saturday, 19 November 2016 01:53 (seven years ago) link
Dammmmmnnnnnnnn.....,.,
― Devastatin' Dan the Suggest Ban Man (Dan Peterson), Saturday, 19 November 2016 01:58 (seven years ago) link
Sharon Jones OTM
― Davey D, Saturday, 19 November 2016 02:23 (seven years ago) link
Wtf
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 November 2016 03:08 (seven years ago) link
― Dominique, Saturday, 19 November 2016 03:46 (seven years ago) link
oh no :(
― a but (brimstead), Saturday, 19 November 2016 03:50 (seven years ago) link
RIP QUEEN
― Chantilly Bass, Saturday, 19 November 2016 04:18 (seven years ago) link
she was a supernova. RIPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99WYDZP5gtQ
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Saturday, 19 November 2016 07:08 (seven years ago) link
oh, 2016
― sleeve, Saturday, 19 November 2016 07:48 (seven years ago) link
This sucks. RIP.
― hardcore dilettante, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link
Fuck 2016
― No longer active (Moka), Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link
She was a force, and the way that she handled her illness was brave and inspiring. RIP.
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
Tribute on WKCR right now
― Y Kant Jamie Reid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 November 2016 14:41 (seven years ago) link
http://www.stereogum.com/1912250/sharon-jones-had-a-stroke-while-watching-election-results/news/
― Evan, Sunday, 20 November 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link
― Ross, Monday, 21 November 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link
just because.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmLl21gZjfM
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 20:38 (four years ago) link
Friend who did a lot of her photography is selling these amazing prints rn for $65 each in a giving tuesday flash sale
https://www.alltogetherprints.com/category/sharon-giving-tuesday?fbclid=IwAR1p8Ep6_d3MTGjpe39Qe5ZczKKH3QxYSlLF4Grmnvbv5vkDp9GPbeVazl0
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/287488632/0112.08.18_daptone1341.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1200
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link
https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/287489058/0314.12.04_daptoneC32.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1200
didn't know you knew Jacob!
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link