Classic or Dud: "Ladies and Gentlemen..WEEN!"

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You've seen them on Viva Variety on Comedy Central. You've heard their drug endused tales of talking with Golden Eels and pissing on the Blarney Stone. Are these guys musical visionaries or mentally challenged hippies with too many infleunces to make coheirent records? Talk it up.

Brock K, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

A lot of bands start off really lo-fi and amateurish, then their albums get more elaborate over time. The later albums are often so different from the early albums that normal 'organic development' seems unlikely, so the conceptual and sonic disparities are explained as evidence of
a) Performer indifference/outside influence/commercial pressure/etc or
b) evidence of minutely detailed, almost flawless, and possibly sentient and otherworldly intelligence at work.
Very few artists convince me that the latter is the case, and these fuckers are among them. One of the few bands I am actually curious about the intentions behind EVERY one of their songs. Which means I expend quite a bit more time listening to them than is probably good for somebody, but I don't mind. In other words, they're in the Bruce Springsteen category AFAIC

dave q, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They've really grown to suck badly since they've gotten old and become scientoligists. Not to mention their huge group of smelly, stoned fans that follow them around everywhere pronounceing that they definatly arn't hippies! Whatever, things were so good when they were just fucking around on a 4 track. Then they had to go and fuck it up.

chaki, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They've really grown to suck badly since they've gotten old and become scientoligists.

Ween, not Beck! ;-)

I'm with Dave Q to a large extent, though comparing them to Bruce Springsteen is a bit like saying a really good filet mignon is on par with Del Taco meat product. Regardless -- ever since friend EJL raved about them to me back in 1991 and made all of us listen to them, I've always found at least a little time for them somewhere. Haven't seen them live in a long while, since 1996 or so, but my sister, who claims them as her fave band, takes up the family slack there. Long may they wibble.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ot to mention their huge group of smelly, stoned fans that follow them around everywhere pronounceing that they definatly arn't hippies!

O my goodness. Their fans are effing lunatics. I saw them play in 97 during their "Push the Little Daisies" fame, and all the front row of people did was yell and curse and flash body parts and even urinate on stage, and this was in front of 2k people! They have got some of the most messed of fans on the face of the earth, and I love it.

Brock K, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

beck was BORN into scientology, even though he still denies it. i wonder why he does. i mean, everyone knows. his band, producer, mom are all scinos. so weird these hollywood fucks.

chippy, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The closest thing to a Nineties version of Zappa and the Mothers (scatological lyrics, helium voices, and tape tricks included), IMHO. Which, as long-time ILMers will attest, will put them pretty high in my book ;-p Not withstanding the foregoing, any band that would superimpose their heads onto a Leonard Cohen album, and use that as an album cover (see The Pod) also has to rate somehow.

I hold that Pure Guava, Chocolate and Cheese, and The Mollusk (esp. The Mollusk) are three underrated masterpieces.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ween = ("Barnes & Barnes") + ("They Might Be Giants") - Wit.

Lord Custos, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Continues Where The Dead Milkmen left off..." (Yaaaaayyyyy!!!)

Lord Custos, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

This thread reminds me -- Ween was one of the groups that one of my ex's absolutely despised (along with Zappa, My Bloody Valentine, and Radiohead).

I know New Hope, PA (from whence the Weeners sprung) quite well ... their vibe is very much of that town. If anyone cares - - it's a nice day-trip from Philly.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They're just too much like a novelty act for me, and I can't cope with that at all. Just another one of those bands where I simply cannot see the attraction.

electric sound of jim, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I know New Hope, PA (from whence the Weeners sprung) quite well ... their vibe is very much of that town. If anyone cares - - it's a nice day-trip from Philly.

Travel Tip. Just avoid nearby Peddlers Village or Lahaska. Its like and overpriced version of New Hope without the charm. It's Martha Stewarts Wet Dream. But it funny to see an entire city who's only import/export is antiques. 300+ antique shops...in...a...row...

Lord Custos, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, Henry Rollins digs Ween!

Lord Custos, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, Henry Rollins digs Ween!
As good a reason as any to hate them, as I do (my thoughts pretty much echo electric sound of jim's...sorry, Tadusz, I just can't see the Zappa lineage that strongly, because you always knew Zappa was smart whereas Ween always sounds profoundly dumb to me).

Speaking of Rollins picks, anybody remember Die Cheerleader?

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Whoops, sorry TadEusz. I needed that extra e for a post elsewhere on the board. I have replaced it here now that I've retrieved it: e. Add to the appropriate places.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Re Die Cheerleader - the Brazen Hussies bass player was in a short- lived stoner rock band with Rita, but he didn't introduce me to her because he thought I would say something lecherous and perverted. He was correct. Anyway, that's my four (I think - how does this game work?) degrees of separation from Greg Ginn!

dave q, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
Ween really is the American Beatles. There's no other way to put it.

Matt Kendall (mattkendall), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 12:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

tell me about the non-threatening upbeat
happy decent actual *songs* they've written.
every time i hear them it's like
'oh good another one about prostitutes'.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

piscesboy, check out...

"Sarah" or "She's My Baby" for sure. Very beautiful songs.

My favorite thing about Ween, among the countless other reasons, is that they're the only band that can be so retardedly stupid (in a good way) one minute (aka "Pumpin' for the Man", which is also a very appropriate song to listen to if you work hard for $5.50/hr), and the very next be playing a completely gorgeous amazing song the next (aka "Sarah", which is just stunning), with ZERO tongue-in-cheek factor.

IMHO, they're the REALest band this side of Fishbone, and I personally believe every album they've made so far has been even more amazing than the next. Plus, they're one of the best concerts I've ever experienced.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And also IMHO Matt Kendall is OTM.

Some more serious good non-threatening upbeat songs with very-little-to-zero mention of prostitutes for piscesboy:

"Exactly Where I'm At"
"A Tear for Eddie"
"Freedom of '76" (okay, a little silly, but still beautiful)
"Take Me Away"
"Buckingham Green"
"Flutes of Chi"

And if the phrase "novelty band" had existed back then, you'd better believe the Beatles would have been one. "Buffalo Bill" anyone?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 15:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
thought : wtf is 'buffalo bill' ?

piscesboy, Thursday, 30 January 2003 13:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Buffalo Bill" by The Beatles...a novelty band if there ever was one.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 30 January 2003 14:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think that's "Bungalow Bill"

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

D'oh!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"She places the lotion in the basket or else she gets the hose again"

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think, you'll all find that it's neither
it's 'the continuing story of bungalo bill'.

come on this is the *fabs*
we're talking about here -
have some respect.

piscesboy, Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Uh, that's be "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill", piscesboy. Let he who is without sin . . .

J (Jay), Thursday, 30 January 2003 17:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And Ween are freakin' great. Anybody who thinks they're just a joke band hasn't listened closely. I suggest you try ignoring the lyrics.

J (Jay), Thursday, 30 January 2003 17:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I know I'm resurectum a completely old and dead post, but, fuck it, I'm drunk.

Ween rule, and they are also a beam of guiding light for anyone who's former bandmates live 400 miles away and all you gots is a 4-track, drum machine, mic, and a few guitars.

Hellfuck, Friday, 21 May 2004 23:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Where did the motherfuckin' cheese go at?
(i don't know)

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 May 2004 03:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ween are geniuses.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

TEN CATCHY-AS-HELL WEEN SONGS WITH NON-STUPID LYRICS:
1. Voodoo Lady
2. Buenos Tardes Amigo
3. Tried and True
4. Flutes of the Chi
5. Exactly Where I'm At
6. Don't Get 2 Close (2 My Fantasy)
7. What Deaner Was Talking About
8. Take Me Away
9. Mutilated Lips
10. The H.I.V. Song

Jeez, here I am looking at all the mp3s I have of this band, and I'm thinking why the hell doesn't anybody like them??? These songs are fucking fantastic!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ALL of those songs have stupid lyrics, yet they undeniably rule

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I guess "stupid" wasn't exactly the right word. More like "sophomoric." Like for example, "Let me lick your pussy / Let me eat your cunt" or "Baby baby baby bitch. / Fuck you you stinkin'-ass ho."

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

For a Ween "look-they-aren't-entirely-retarded" POX, I would go:

1. Sarah
2. She's Your Baby
3. It's Gonna Be Alright
4. Cold Blows the Wind
5. If You Could Save Yourself (You'd Save Us All)
6. Right To the Ways and Means of the World
7. Exactly Where I'm At
8. Buckingham Green
9. Chocolate Town*
10.It's Gonna Be A Long Night

*(it is often presumed that this song is a reference to anal sex, but I contend that it is a tribute to Hershey Pennsylvania)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"The HIV song" doesn't have stupid lyrics??

"You Were The Fool" and "It's Gonna Be Alright" are without a doubt the 2 best "serious" Ween songs. Definitley both are in my top 5 ween songs, and they're both fucking gorgeous.

billstevejim, Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

x-post Tofu, you should post one of those Pizza Hut commercials on your your hut. That shit is kuh-lassic.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Let me lick your pussy

You mean the Prince cover?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ween are great. I stayed away from them for the longest time, mostly because I didn't like the people I know who were fans. But an acquaintance one time made me a mix cd with their songs and I loved it. They're fucked up, funny, intelligent, sophomoric, AND sincere.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 22 May 2004 20:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

actually the "motherfucking cheese" track is scheduled to show up on my FUCK album review spectacular, forthcoming.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 23 May 2004 08:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The tracklisting for my FUCK mix CD:

1 Madonna "What the Fuck Do You Think You're Doing?"
2 Millie Jackson "The Fuck You Symphony (Live)"
3 The Coup "Lazymuthafucka"
4 Beck "Fuckin' With My Head"
5 Sleater-Kinney "Write Me Back, Fucker"
6 Liz Phair "Fuck and Run"
7 Missy Elliott "They Don't Wanna Fuck Wit' Me"
8 Fischerspooner "Fucker"
9 Tupac Shakur "Fuck 'Em All"
10 Ol' Dirty Bastard "You Don't Want to Fuck With Me"
11 50 Cent "Fuck You"
12 Jay Z "Fuck That"
13 Three 6 Mafia "Get the Fuck Out My Face"
14 Ween "Where th' Motherfucking Cheese At?"
15 Jon and Al Kaplan "Put the Fucking Lotion in the Basket"
16 Trey Stone and Matt Parker "Shut Your Fucking Face, Uncle Fucker"
17 Peaches "I Don't Give a Fuck"
18 Rage Against the Machine "Fuck Tha Police (Live)"
19 Dub Narc "Fuck Shit Up"
20 Eamon vs. Sinead O'Connor "Fucking Compares 2 U (DJ Fancy Dan MiX)"
21 D'Angelo "Shit Damn Motherfucker (Live)"
22 Magnetic Fields "How Fucking Romantic"
23 Belle and Sebastian "Fuck This Shit"
24 Bernie Mac "Motherfucker"
25 Black Sheep "For Doz That Slept"

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 23 May 2004 08:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hey fatboy (asshole)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

when ween comes to your town, bring them hot meals.
no more junk food, thanks.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
"As I scope the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBE
I am the one
Who controls the SUN!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic. No contest.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

BLUDGEON YER EYE!!!!!

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ned otm

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Just think of the master

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The tracklisting for my FUCK mix CD

If I may suggest:
26. Eminem - "Just Don't Give a Fuck".

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"And I know that things will last as time elapse, elapses...time elapses through the soooouuunnd of you, and the things we could do!"

Classico amigo.

Piers (piers), Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I seem to recall it was about one of the teachers in their high school who had given them a hard time in class, they were 14/15 when they wrote it; maybe best not to stare too deeply into that particular lyrical pool.
'Don't Get 2 Close 2 My Fantasy' on the other hand...

ringworm, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 07:04 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah I honestly can't tell if that one's really sinister or "Buckingham Green"-type lyrical nonsense

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 12:52 (one year ago) Permalink

It's dark and gross, but it's not sinister.

how's life, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 13:00 (one year ago) Permalink

it's certainly sinister - that's the whole point, really - but i can't imagine many being offended by it

the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 13:09 (one year ago) Permalink

I mean, the narrator is sinister, but Ween aren't trying to promote pedophilia or anything.

how's life, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 13:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Spinal Meningitis is probably the worst one they have along those lines...not offensive but really really bleak. I heard someone try to cast it as them making fun of people with the disease but I can't read it that way at all.

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 13:48 (one year ago) Permalink

That's the first one that comes to mind when I think 'potentially offensive Ween song'.

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 13:51 (one year ago) Permalink

it goofs on horror for sickly lols. that solo tho.

the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 14:00 (one year ago) Permalink

^ apt description of every Ween song ever

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 14:15 (one year ago) Permalink

who is expected to be offended by Spinal Meningitis, very stupid Christians?

glandular lansbury (sic), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 17:51 (one year ago) Permalink

Parents of children with spinal meningitis?

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 17:59 (one year ago) Permalink

People who can't, or at least don't like to, deal with unpleasant subjects bluntly?

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 18:05 (one year ago) Permalink

social justice worriers?

the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 18:32 (one year ago) Permalink

it's not blunt, though. it's expressing careful, crafted empathy to sufferers of, or adjacent to, the condition.

if parents of children with spinal meningitis were fans enough of Ween to make it to an album track on their fourth LP, they had probably been through enough tough times to find mordant charm and gallows humour in the song

getting xposts on zing but can't see them obv

glandular lansbury (sic), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 18:38 (one year ago) Permalink

although I just checked and it was track two side one, they didn't have to make it too far

was thinking it wasn't until side two

glandular lansbury (sic), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 18:41 (one year ago) Permalink

That song is really disturbing (regardless of being offensive or not), gets to me in a way that none of that type of music does.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:34 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah I have a real difficult time listening to it. kinda hate that they perform it live so much.

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:37 (one year ago) Permalink

The 33 1/3 book on Chocolate and Cheese gives a lot of insight to how they think about they're lyrics. Jumps from from the sincere to the stoned through a range of quite personal points of references. It's kind of what makes their lyrics great; once you tune into the language and attitude you start to understand it.

ringworm, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:41 (one year ago) Permalink

'their lyrics'

ringworm, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:41 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah I have a real difficult time listening to it. kinda hate that they perform it live so much.

Don't get this tbh.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:59 (one year ago) Permalink

what part of it? it's a song about a small child going through medical treatment - it disturbs me

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:34 (one year ago) Permalink

You're obv. a lot more sensitive than me!

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Disturbing is a feature, not a bug.

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah it's nothing against them, just hits me in a weird place is all

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 21:02 (one year ago) Permalink

The first time I heard Spinal Meningitis I wondered if I had made a huge mistake by getting into Ween and could ever listen to that song again

PaulTMA, Thursday, 9 June 2016 11:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Don't get this tbh.

― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:59 PM (Yesterday)

eh, most people have a vaguely-defined threshold past which enjoyably weird & creepy becomes upsetting, not funny at all. first time i heard "22 going on 23" by the butthole surfers, it threw me quite forcefully over that line, and i've never since wanted to hear it again. to say nothing of throbbing gristle's "hamburger lady"...

the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2016 14:38 (one year ago) Permalink

You will probably not be surprised to learn I love both those songs.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 June 2016 14:42 (one year ago) Permalink

Kind of draw the line at "Slug Bait" though.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 June 2016 14:43 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah, there's no shortage of unpleasant tg lyrics

the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2016 14:50 (one year ago) Permalink

I was thinking of that Butthole Surfers song. There's a few things about it.

In the sample a woman talks about being sexually assaulted and having bad dreams about it. According to them it was a woman who kept phoning into a radio show with different made up stories that contradicted each other. They said the track is a big fuck you to her for making up all these stories. But listeners have no way of knowing this unless they know this trivia and it simply sounds like they are using the account of a woman who's been sexually assaulted for shock value and listeners are likely to feel sympathetic towards her.
Even if a most of her stories were made up, it's very possible she was sexually assaulted and/or suffered from mental illness.

There's also the Lisa Germano song

The song 'A Psychopath', which samples a real 911 call where a woman confronts an intruder in her home,[6] was inspired by an experience Germano had as a child, when she was riding her bike and a strange man exposed himself to her.[5] The song was written about the general feeling of powerlessness that women can experience, especially with regard to sexual predators.[5] She obtained the 911 call recording from a rape centre (with their permission), after originally encountering it in a documentary about violence.[1] She was initially hesitant to use the recording, thinking it was "too intense", however ultimately decided it was something worth saying.[4] Germano has said that making the song was scary and very upsetting, and that she had trouble sleeping after recording it.[1]

Obviously Germano is well meaning but I wonder if the woman in the sample was asked, because if not, I don't think she should have used it.

Then there's some sampled interviews about people's horrible lives in Swans.

Even if all this stuff was used with the best construcive intent in brilliant music, a lot of people wouldn't like their traumas to be used like that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 June 2016 19:48 (one year ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

re: "22 Going On 23" thank you for explaining that. I like the song a lot better now. Definitely felt uncomfortable the last few times I heard it.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 01:53 (four months ago) Permalink

i don't listen to them at all as far as their CDs go - last one i probably heard all the way through was the pod when that came out - but sometimes i will flip through stuff on youtube and i feel like i can point to some of their genre homages and say: okay, that's better than any phish/neutral milk hotel/destroyer/of montreal/paul mccartney/etc song i've ever heard.

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 02:12 (four months ago) Permalink

and they are also weird in the way i can listen to a song by them and say: okay, that's better than any latter-day tears for fears song i've ever heard.

who else could i even say that about?

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 02:15 (four months ago) Permalink

i feel like i can point to some of their genre homages and say: okay, that's better than any phish/neutral milk hotel/destroyer/of montreal/paul mccartney/etc song i've ever heard.

― scott seward, Tuesday, March 7, 2017 6:12 PM (two minutes ago)

yup, same here. also with you on the listening approach. a song here, a song there, but i never sit down & listen to a ween album.

“Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 02:25 (four months ago) Permalink

oh wait, shit, you had mccartney in there?

“Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 02:26 (four months ago) Permalink

haha, well, just thinking of examples off the top of my head. i've heard some mccartney-esque ween that i would probably rather listen to than a lot of mccartney though.

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 04:27 (four months ago) Permalink

a ween tribute album done by serious singer-songwriter types playing the songs straight with modern digital folk-rock production would be cool. to me.

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 04:29 (four months ago) Permalink

Ween are one of those bands where the live recordings almost always shred the studio albums. Archive.org has a zillion live shows you can download for free, some of which have stellar sound quality. You could spend months and months going through those.

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 14:04 (four months ago) Permalink

it's funny that two burnout kids who met in typing class ended up like living a rock and roll fantasy... they really turned into an amazing live band

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 14:19 (four months ago) Permalink

yea especially since they weren't exactly talented chaps to begin with. I doubt anyone who heard their early recordings was thinking "it's rough, but damn they've got potential!"

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 14:41 (four months ago) Permalink

i did! kinda. i mean i thought god/ween/satan and the pod were really ambitious but i guess that's not that early. they obviously had song-writing ability.

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 15:11 (four months ago) Permalink

i kinda think of them as an oingo boingo i would listen to. and later a jam band i would listen to. even though i only listen occasionally on youtube. i can even imagine seeing ween on acid would be fun.

i do see weird (science) parallels. O.B. even had acoustic interludes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYfjDyGPt4g

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 15:14 (four months ago) Permalink

i have never actually listened to an oingo boingo album. did ween ever have horn sections on their later albums?

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 15:15 (four months ago) Permalink

scott you should check out the white pepper some time. it is a stone-cold kinks are the village green preservation society / who sell out-level classic

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 15:16 (four months ago) Permalink

i did! kinda. i mean i thought god/ween/satan and the pod were really ambitious but i guess that's not that early. they obviously had song-writing ability.

oh no, I'm talking about the stuff they did before that - GodWeenSatan was the culmination of like six years of writing and recording

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 15:20 (four months ago) Permalink

does the Cake cult intersect with the Ween cult at all? seems like it might.

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 16:26 (four months ago) Permalink

was not aware there was a cake cult

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 19:00 (four months ago) Permalink

there really is.

scott seward, Thursday, 9 March 2017 00:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Trust me on this: all of Ween's pre-GodWeenSatan albums are TERRIBLE. But they do make you appreciate what an astonishing leap in songwriting chops they made in such a short time.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 9 March 2017 02:01 (four months ago) Permalink

which reminds me, the recently released front-to-back live recording of that album from 2001 is GREAT. don't think I'll ever listen to the studio album again.

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 12:57 (four months ago) Permalink


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