Search and Destroy : New Order

Destroy: Republic. (Yuck...)

Destroy -- any and all Revenge discs you find.

Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!

Search -- Technique, seeing as every song is great Destroy -- (the best of) New Order: chronological sequencing produces miserable conclusion, except for "Blue Monday" inexplicably made penultimate, and what's with all the dumb remixes??

Destroy: the album version of "Subculture", which is far and away the worst thing they've ever recorded. Honorable mention to "Pineapple Face" by Revenge for being incomprehensible.

When it comes to destroy, it has to be said that "World in Motion" is the worst song recorded by anyone.

EVER.

It almost makes latter day Bryan Adams look cool. The utterly craptastic lyric "Arivaderci it's one on one" alone would qualify it for the honor.

Destroy: Yeah some of those songs on Republic were really cringeworthy, though I think all the other singles are relatively okay.

Destroy:most of the remixes of their songs as they are just poor. Special mention goes to the wonderfully useless Arman van Heldan (?) mix of bizarre love triangle.

"World In Motion" may be a largely useless song, but at least it's sung in tune. I have no idea how much Bernard had been drinking before he recorded the vocals for "Subculture", but let's hope he never ever drinks that much again.

I'm sitting here gritting my teeth just thinking about it...

Destroy: 'Blue Monday', horrifically dull and inexplicable showered with praise.

Destroy: NEW ORDER

But many more could be named, especially in the first category.

destroy: blue monday

Brotherhood side one

Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)

Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)

Destroy:

Republic

the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique

Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]

BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.

Discuss.

It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.

* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky

* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"

* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"

I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"

By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."

Cheers

Ci

Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"

Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."

so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

... at least that's what I think it's called...

knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.

Thank you.

Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)

Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.

http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp

I would like a place I could call my own /
Have a conversation on the telephone

To me this is kind of genius? Catchy rhyme, rhythmically perfect for the song but also conveys some kind of yearning for normalcy in the face of an unspecified emotional devastation

I just read the lyrics and yep they read terribly, but when they sit on top of the glorious rush of the music those random couplets can hit (me) profoundly. That messy blend of banality and romanticism is kind of how my brain actually thinks, I think.

Speaking about a lot of NO songs there, not just Regret.

otm. Can't do them at karaoke.

The Internet seems to think every single song they ever wrote is about Ian Curtis

you're so right emsworth - I mean, the song is called "Regret" and ends "just wait till tomorrow / I guess that's what they all say / just before they fall apart". That and "Waiting for the Siren's Call" can bring me to tears if they hit at the right moment. That indefinable mix of banality and genius is what keeps them so fresh in my heart.

oh fuck I didn't mean to plagiarise you while praising your take!

Not relevant to Alfred’s list but the live version of “Waiting for the Siren’s Call” crushes the original.

Hard disagree, I mean it's a cool reworking but it loses all the poignancy, and it's not New Order without the acid sting of guitar lines and that bass melody.
I guess I will be shouted down but Sirens' Call is the last NO album for me, as irritating a shit as Hooky undoubtedly is, the band is the four of them or GTFO.
Amid all the rancour and sniping, to pull out a song like that - in which all four absolutely shine at their best - is almost miraculous. Everything after that is spare change, to me.

what a fucking idiot I am for forgetting that Gillian bowed out for that album, there's no defence for self-clowning like that.
Great song though. I will now retire from saying anything online ever.

I like State of the Nation and The Village. From the 80s I think the only song I really can't bear is 1963, mostly because I can't fathom how those lyrics ever made it to a finished song. So many painful turns of phrase.

Vicious Streak is Top 5 for me and I would also put I Told You So in the top tier.
You could easily populate the worst 10 with all of Lost Sirens + Liar and Chemical + State of the Nation and Shellshock

State of the Nation and The Village are great, as is 1963. If there's a NO track from the 80s that I can see an argument for being on the list it's Touched by the Hand of God, but that's redeemed by its video

Weird, thought I posted, but I like "Touched" and don't like "1963," which is kind of like "Love Vigilantes" if that song was bad.

Where the heck is the rando Jimmy Cliff cover from?

A 2003 War Child album

SUNKIST IS THE ONE
― adam (adam), Sunday, October 2, 2005 8:49 PM (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2g9UJdH4MM

The setlist to the first show of theirs I ever saw, in 1985, is a pretty good "Search" list, at least up through Low-Life. Makes a great playlist.

Sunrise
This Time of Night
Hurt
Thieves Like Us
5 8 6
Everything's Gone Green
The Village
Subculture
Denial
Confusion
The Perfect Kiss

Encore:
Ceremony
Blue Monday

Encore 2:
Temptation

As for "Destroy," Alfred's list is good with the obvious exception of "The Village."

SUNKIST IS THE ONE
― adam (adam), Sunday, October 2, 2005 8:49 PM (sixteen years ago)

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I didn't see a post, but I guess Low-Life is getting the box set treatment. Old news that I completely missed, it was delayed due to COVID, but the newish news is that it's out in January with a pre-Christmas announcement.

Nice!

I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.

Search: World In Motion Caribinieri Mix

Destroy: World In Motion single

I think it was the Caribinieri mix, anyway. You lose the catchier piano riff but you're also spared the footballer rapping, and the chorus declared that "we've got the world in motion", and not "love" which is stupid.

Search: Republic! I know its a bit past their most iconic era, but I think its their most solid album. The only stinker is "Chemical" (I think, going off memory---the one that starts with "I wake up every night on the stair").

Destroy: Shellshock, State of the Nation, Subculture. Each of these is tedious its own, but to release three songs so close together that suck in the same way, until they all blur together, was unfortunate.

Search: the Substance versions of Ceremony, Temptation, and Confusion.

Destroy: the original versions of these songs.

Search: Kiss of Death, Thieves Like Us instrumental

Destroy: Perfect Kiss, Thieves Like Us vocal

I’ll be going through your bins.

I disagree with most of that, but agree that the instrumental Thieves Like Us is 5-6 min of pure bliss

You’re describing the No Alla Violenza mix, not the Carabinieri mix (which still has the footballers in it)

I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.

You missed out. (And there were various thread revivals!)

*looks at search/destroy post*

Stephen? Stephen Hague? Glad to have you with us.

I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.

lol and this was something like a twice delayed tour, too, so it's been known they were touring together since early 2020!

And it's a wrap now.

Low-Life box set confirmed:

https://consequence.net/2022/11/new-order-low-life-box-set-the-perfect-kiss-stream/

"new interviews with every band member" hmmm

I'm shellshocked.

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I like Low-Life and always have; it was the first full-length I bought by them after hearing Substance, but I have the 2CD deluxe edition from...2005? 2007? And anyway, no one needs that much live New Order.

there's always room for more live New Order!

The shows they've said are included are some of New Order's best recorded performances. Leuven and Toronto 85 have been on my wish list for a long time. I've seen Leuven on YouTube a handful of times but the full Toronto show has never been released.

I yearn for a New Order \ Mike and the Mechanics reunion

all we need is a miracle

I first saw them on the Low-Life tour and they were at their peak.

Same. Still one of the two or three best shows I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywqvSYCIIUM

how on god's earth do you release a "definitive" version of low-life without the extended version of "the perfect kiss"?

iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe

what do I get out of this

pretty brutal isn't it. can't justify this for the DVDs. hope those show up on s0uls3333k

The full-length extended version is on the 2008 2CD deluxe edition of Low-Life (the one on Substance is missing ~40 seconds). Why they can't include a second disc of bonus tracks (especially for $150) I don't know. I'm getting it for the live stuff though. And I guess because I have the first two and they will all look nice on my shelf.

iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe

Barely though. The final few minutes of The Perfect Kiss 12" were what all of music up until 1985 was leading to (sez me) and CD/digital versions of Substance butcher it.

^ as f. hazel says (just wanted to reiterate it because it annoys me)

The "bundle" included The Perfect Kiss 12".

Substance 1987 getting a 4CD deluxe reissue in November.

The 2023 reissue sees the audio remastered and expanded to four CDs. This 4CD version includes the original 2CD set and adds two further discs. CD3 expands the collection with alternate versions and extra B-sides, while CD4 features an unreleased concert, Live from Irvine Meadows, California, 12th September 1987, where the band uniquely played the entire album in sequence!

There will also be 2LP and double cassette editions of this reissue with the former available as black or blue/red coloured vinyl. The tape is only available from the New Order shop. There will also be three 12-inch singles released at the same time: ‘True Faith’, ‘True Faith Remix’ and ‘Blue Monday 88’.

Substance 1987 is reissued on 10 November 2023 via Warner Music

Track listing:

CD 1 (remastered)
Ceremony
Everything’s Gone Green
Temptation 87
Blue Monday
Confusion 87
Thieves Like Us
The Perfect Kiss
Sub-Culture
Shellshock
State Of The Nation
Bizarre Love Triangle
True Faith

CD 2 (remastered)
In A Lonely Place
Procession
Cries And Whispers
Hurt
The Beach
Confused Instrumental
Lonesome Tonight
Murder
Thieves Like Us Instrumental
Kiss Of Death
Shame Of The Nation
1963

CD 3
Ceremony (Original)
Mesh
Temptation (12”)
Confusion (Original 12”)
Perfect Pit
Dub Vulture
Shellcock
Bizarre Dub Triangle
True Dub
Confusion (Dub 87)
True Faith (Remix)

CD 4
LIVE FROM IRVINE MEADOWS AMPHITHEATRE, CALIFORNIA 1987
Ceremony
Everything’s Gone Green
Temptation 87
Blue Monday
Confusion 87
Thieves Like Us
The Perfect Kiss
Sub-culture
Shellshock
State Of The Nation
Bizarre Love Triangle
True Faith

Some chat over here:

Represent: Your Favorite Track Off Of New Order - Substance 1987