So if you want to see the Stones, Dave Matthews Band, White Stripes, U2, Strokes,Metallica, Limp Bizkit or any act that sells out venues, then i hope you are very rich as ordinary people wont be able to afford it.Lets hope a public outcry stops this nonsense before it starts.
― Jeanne Marie, Friday, 5 September 2003 13:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 5 September 2003 13:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 5 September 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
By the way, this blows bumpernuts. Seriously; this is the kinda shit that makes me want to stop playing in venues altogether, just buy a generator and throw concerts out in the fucking wilderness.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
― peepee (peepee), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link
― E (ebb), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Carr Rickson, Friday, 5 September 2003 15:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Carr Rickson, Friday, 5 September 2003 15:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Carr Rickson, Friday, 5 September 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Fark, Friday, 5 September 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link
If the tickets sell at $500, will they still feel the need to add $15 in fees? .. or will they impose "auction fee - $13.95" in addition to delivery, convenience & internet charges.
― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Damon, Friday, 5 September 2003 16:12 (twenty years ago) link
You can refuse to have nothing to do with Ticketmaster, but you'll be pushed down into the "800 capacity and below" venue bracket a lot of the time.
― Xii (Xii), Friday, 5 September 2003 16:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Friday, 5 September 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link
-- nickalicious (nza2342...), September 5th, 2003. (later)"
you should-this has been happening a lot in ireland recently,more with dance events than gigs,but both have worked well,and it is always much more fun for so many reasons...
― robin (robin), Friday, 5 September 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Friday, 5 September 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link
I wanted to see Bob Dylan last time he came through town, but tix were like 80 dollars.
― Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 5 September 2003 19:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Sally, Friday, 5 September 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Slump Man (Slump Man), Friday, 5 September 2003 23:53 (twenty years ago) link
A friend of mine is a booking agent for many great bands, and he has tried to sell tickets for his clients events for some time now on his website, but with diminishing success, leading him to recently discontinue the practice (check out www.billions.com). I'm not sure that capitalism at its finest is scalping. But at its worst, it's probably monopoly and "preditory business".
― peepee (peepee), Saturday, 6 September 2003 00:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Roger Ramjet, Saturday, 6 September 2003 02:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Roger Ramjet, Saturday, 6 September 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link
― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 6 September 2003 03:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Karen McLeod, Saturday, 6 September 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link
i mean seriously, somebody call eddie vedder quick.
― piscesboy, Saturday, 6 September 2003 13:07 (twenty years ago) link
The best seats for the most-wanted shows already go for $$$$. The only difference is that now the artists and venues (who get most of the cash; TM just gets a small percentage) will get that money, instead of the scalpers.
― The Man, Saturday, 6 September 2003 13:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 6 September 2003 13:47 (twenty years ago) link
If there's demand for tickets at higher prices I see no reason why they shouldn't be sold at higher prices, and I like the idea of artists benefitting instead of just touts.
This is especially interesting to underground artists with limited, niche markets. I discovered with the 'Stars Forever' project that although there aren't many Momus fans out there, those who do exist are highly motivated and willing to spend up to $1000 on the right Momus product. So it would make a lot of sense for me, and artists like me, to move to something resembling the business plan of the fine art market, with its attractive combination of free access (because you can consume art free in galleries) and high prices for 'collectors' (those who want ownership or special services like customisation).
The free / expensive formula could work in music with free mp3 giveaways on the one hand and more expensive live performances (even private ones) on the other.
― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 6 September 2003 19:28 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 6 September 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Arthur Scargill, Saturday, 6 September 2003 22:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 September 2003 23:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 September 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Arthur Scargill, Sunday, 7 September 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 7 September 2003 00:47 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 7 September 2003 00:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Arthur Scargill, Sunday, 7 September 2003 00:53 (twenty years ago) link
Or, logic.
― David Allen, Sunday, 7 September 2003 01:20 (twenty years ago) link
― robin (robin), Sunday, 7 September 2003 01:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Sam J. (samjeff), Sunday, 7 September 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Trabant, Sunday, 7 September 2003 01:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 7 September 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Sunday, 7 September 2003 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 7 September 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Sunday, 7 September 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Arthur Scargill, Sunday, 7 September 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link
How much did they get you for?? The tix for the show in Northamton sez $10.
― brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 7 September 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link
― hello, Sunday, 7 September 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Raymondo, Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:11 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Raymondo, Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Helen Lovejoy, Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:48 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:50 (twenty years ago) link
Mind you, the real target of these auctions are probably ticket brokers (i.e., scalper agencies), which buy up tickets for hot shows and resell them at a profit. I am curious to see how high people will bid for high-profile shows like Springsteen or Dylan.
― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 8 September 2003 02:30 (twenty years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:38 (twenty years ago) link
It's been a long time since I've taken an economics class, but if this really happens, won't the market ultimately stabilize the prices around something reasonable that people can afford? If only rich people went to concerts, and there were tens of thousands of millionaires in ever city who really want to see Good Charlotte but can’t bear to wait in line, then this would be a big problem. But there are only a small number of people willing to pay $1,000 for a ticket (and yes, they will get the best seats, but the best product tends to cost the most in capitalism). I thought free market tended to bring down prices over time, not raise them.
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 September 2003 12:00 (twenty years ago) link
― The Man, Monday, 8 September 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link
― The Anti man, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 14:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Maaan, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Duuuuude, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 10:08 (twenty years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.uspirg.org/action/stop-the-ticketmaster-merger?id4=es^^it's already filled out for you, just fill in your name to the right
SWIPE:Ticketmaster is the king of fees. A handling fee, a processing fee, a just-cause-we-can fee. Frequently, these fees make up more than 30 percent of the overall price of the ticket.
And it could get worse. Ticketmaster wants to merge with Live Nation, its leading competitor, meaning that most of the tickets we could buy would be coming from the new mega-ticket conglomerate. And from past experience we know that the less competition, the worse these guys get with their handling, processing and other nonsense fees.
We can stop this ticket monopoly from forming: Send an e-mail to Assistant Attorney General Christine Varney.
Assistant Attorney General Varney is the Department of Justice official tasked with upholding anti-trust laws, and they are reviewing the merger right now. A trust is exactly what could form if Live Nation and Ticketmaster are allowed to merge.
Ticketmaster, along with its subsidiaries, contracts with roughly 200 artists. Live Nation owns or has exclusive deals with 139 venues, and manages about 150 artists. Live Nation is Ticketmaster's biggest competitor in the ticket selling business.
The new mega-ticket monopoly would be the gatekeeper to most major venues and artists, meaning that they would dominate most aspects of live concerts.
The fees are already extreme. For example, in a report by the Washington Post, Ticketmaster added $16.60 in fees -- $4.10 for "processing," $3.50 for "facilities," and a $9 "convenience charge" -- to a $56 dollar ticket, about 30 percent.
We need to stand up to their price-gouging now. Join me, and call on Assistant Attorney General Varney to stop the merger:
http://www.uspirg.org/action/stop-the-ticketmaster-merger?id4=es
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 09:16 (fourteen years ago) link
It's too late baby, now its too late. The Justice Department modified the merger terms but allowed it.
http://futureofmusic.org/blog/2010/01/25/look-live-nationticketmaster-merger
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link
'A public relations nightmare': Ticketmaster recruits pros for secret scalper programhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/business/a-public-relations-nightmare-ticketmaster-recruits-pros-for-secret-scalper-program-1.4828535
Box-office giant Ticketmaster is recruiting professional scalpers who cheat its own system to expand its resale business and squeeze more money out of fans, a CBC News/Toronto Star investigation reveals.In July, the news outlets sent a pair of reporters undercover to Ticket Summit 2018, a ticketing and live entertainment convention at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.Posing as scalpers and equipped with hidden cameras, the journalists were pitched on Ticketmaster's professional reseller program.Company representatives told them Ticketmaster's resale division turns a blind eye to scalpers who use ticket-buying bots and fake identities to snatch up tickets and then resell them on the site for inflated prices. Those pricey resale tickets include extra fees for Ticketmaster."I have brokers that have literally a couple of hundred accounts," one sales representative said. "It's not something that we look at or report."
In July, the news outlets sent a pair of reporters undercover to Ticket Summit 2018, a ticketing and live entertainment convention at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.
Posing as scalpers and equipped with hidden cameras, the journalists were pitched on Ticketmaster's professional reseller program.
Company representatives told them Ticketmaster's resale division turns a blind eye to scalpers who use ticket-buying bots and fake identities to snatch up tickets and then resell them on the site for inflated prices. Those pricey resale tickets include extra fees for Ticketmaster.
"I have brokers that have literally a couple of hundred accounts," one sales representative said. "It's not something that we look at or report."
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 20 September 2018 02:36 (five years ago) link
I'm shocked, *shocked* I tell you...
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 20 September 2018 02:47 (five years ago) link
not surprised at all. the number of shows in the past year I've seen 'sell out' where the actual interest was negligible, only to see the aftermarket flooded with more expensive seats, I can't even count. Midnight Oil springs to mind.
― akm, Thursday, 20 September 2018 02:48 (five years ago) link
4 david byrne shows at huge venues in the bay area sold out immediately. the one I attended was probably 75% full.
wanted to purchase The Beths tix for April, but the venue's ticket seller, dicefm, which i've never heard of doesn't have an "https" security designation at checkout. seems like a risk i don't wanna take. really don't wanna go through a second seller and pay double. anyone ever use dicefm, by any chance and vouch for them?
― one charm and one antiup quark (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:54 (four years ago) link