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Is XTRMNTR better than Screamadelica? Is Give Out... worse than the awful eponymous one? Is Sonic Flower Groove a load of old namby pamby hippy jangle shite? Are Primal Scream the tenth greatest band ever (regardless of whoever you arbitrarily place above them)?

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ha! I was going to say that they are beyond Classic or Dud and the way you pose the question proves me right ;) Anyway, yes of course they are that tenth greatest band ever (although I probably will be the last one to say it on this thread).

XTRMNTR = not better than Screamadelica, they can't be compared that way, rahter I'd say XTRMNTR is the flipside of Screamadelica, they go together, the alhpa & omega of the 90s ;)

Don't rate them before 'Loaded' though. And Give Out remains embarrasing save Jailbird. Just rediscovered the 'Jailbird' 12" which is really amazing. The Chemicals remix is shite but on the flipside you have a 10-minute Kris Needs remix that's almost exclusively built out of riffs with a bunch of echo's thrown in. And after that you get one of Andy Weatherall's weirdest mixes: dub chapter 3, 12 minutes of star-hopping bliss.

― Omar, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I liked 'Give Out', it seemed like the most radical thing they could possibly do at the time, but...'Screamadelica' and 'Vanishing Point' work purely because of their sequencing (the drug-arc of the former was touching in its adolescent-naif psychonaut way), but XTRMNTR hasn't troubled my stereo since I bought it. They've managed to prove the validity of sampling despite themselves due to their central dichotomy - rock-gang-style posturing while simultaneously hiring different rhythm sections/producers for each track, the better to recreate their record (vinyl, please!) collections. One can get away with this pastiche approach if one is quick enough on the draw but they're slowing down, the joins are starting to show and the tiredness of their approach is starting to become ever more transparent. ("Help, we just ran out of ideas, call up Jonesy at Uncut and tell him to send us some CDs from the archives, now!") ['Received tiredness' - hey, I want to copyright that phrase!]
A perhaps more charitable approach would be that they live and die by their singles - and "Higher than the Sun", "Loaded" (actually I prefer "Come Together", was that a single?) and "Rocks" were great, while "Kowalski", "Star", and "Swastika Eyes" were terrible. (As for the first two albums, they're even paler photocopies of their 'inspirations', which seem more read-about than not.)
Good on them for the Satpal Ram thing though.

― tarden, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Read-about' by PS, I mean. As in, they read a list of 100 top albums ever, and decided to buy all of them, and assumed they were all classic and worth re-creating, rather than feeling any one way or the other about whatever they were going to sound like.

― tarden, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(However, before you explode, cf also Tarden's provoco-position on Musical Tourism, which = the opposite of the above...!!)

― mark s, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

absolute fucking shite - almost as bad as prefab sprout.

― Geoff, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I love XTRMNTR but I really prefer SCREAMADELICA. I would agree that they both represent similar sounds but at different ends of a sound spectrum. They continually amaze me anyhoo.

― Kodanshi, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think XTRMNTR is the best record they've made, actually. think it craps on screamadelica, which was one of my favourite records for years, but sounds a bit dated and a bit wishy washy now, to me anyway. Still a classic of it's time, but maybe it's time has passed. And most of their other records are pretty shite.

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Kowalski", "Star", and "Swastika Eyes" were terrible
The last two I agree, but Kowalski rocks my socks. Vanishing Point and XTRMNTR are both about 2/3 good. Screamadelica is about 1/2, but its growing hopelessly out-dated.

― bnw, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

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but its growing hopelessly out-dated

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yeah, but that's also the beauty of it. It's so of its time (that naif-psychonaut thing Tarden mentioned). I like it when albums date and get intertwined with good memories.

So am I the only one who thinks 'Swastika Eyes' is the shit?

― Omar, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i still like parts of screamadelica, but then i always had a soft spot for weatherall. i think they're kind of embarrassing now

― gareth, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Swastika Eyes is mentalist, and therefore aceness on wax.

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Surely 'Primal Scream' is just the name for whoever is in the studio when Gillespie wanders through? Sometimes works, sometimes laughable. _Give Out_ = PAIN. I still like _Screamadelica_ but that could be as much nostalgia fix as anything, but last year's second LA show was fantastic -- though I go to my grave insisting "Rocks" = poo. "Shoot Speed Kill Light" was grand, though, as was seeing both Kevin Shields and Mani in the same place. And Steve Jones for the encore.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

they peaked with 'velocity girl'. problem is they are still a wimpy pop band stuck in death metal outfits. in 20 years, however, their box set might be the most eclectic ever.

― keith, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've still never heard Velocity Girl, god knows how I've managed to go this long as a big Roses and Primals fan and not hear it.

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Primal Scream have always been a bit of a non-event for me. That's not to say I hate them, but there's something that everyone else seems to see in them but I don't. Oh well.

― DG, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Vanishing Point I liked at the time but would probably be embarrased by now. Give Out ... bollocks, though "Rocks" is funny. Screamadelica a real period piece, still quite good, but dating very rapidly. XTRMNTR totally embarrassed me and I never had a moment's interest in it. I'm with Gareth on this.

― Robin Carmody, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Given that I had little exposure to PRML SCRM prior to _XTRMNTR_ (except for a run-in with the "Rocks" video, which scared me shiteless) (and "Kowalski", which seemed cool but in that who-cares way), I like it. _XTRMNTR_, that is. Only one painfully embarrassing track on there, as I recall - where Bobby's screaming about fucking off & fading away or something, acting all tough. (Oh, that SWEARING is such a turn-on, oh, fuck yeah.)

Sounds to me as though all of you have some history with Gillespe & Co. that's coloring your assessment of his work.

― David Raposa, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

David, dude, that's nothing, you should see how it gets when folks here get started on Damon Albarn.

― Patrick, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It doesn't take much, really, when it comes to Damon. He just has to open his mouth. Mr. Gillespie needs a little more in comparison, like, oh I don't know, hitting audience members over the head with a mike stand...

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

liked the orb remix of higher than the sun, otherwise mediocre - vanishing point - ok at time but now utterly bored with 90s grainy earthy psychotropic bilge - a good indie 12" remix singles band but screamadelica is toss admired by people who don't really like house.

― geordie racer, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nah, I'm Professor House and I love Screamadelica, used to be a great album to get you in gear for a night out. But you're right they are a good on-going remix-project (what Orb rmx btw? The Higher than a Kite rmx? Is that one very different from the Higher than the Orb rmx on the original H.t.t.S. 12"?). Strange enough I haven't heard Velocity Girl either.

― Omar, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I hear reliable rumours that The Scream have recorded my song 'Finnegan The Folk Hero (of HTML)' for the album they're preparing for their new label, Boots (The Pharmacist) Records.

― Momus, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have had an irrational love of Bobby G since the JAMC's _Just Like Honey_ video rocked my pre-teen world. So I'm not the best judge on Primal Scream. I love what they have turned into, this sort of Bobby G's Battersea Dogs Home For Lost Guitarists From Influential Bands. It's the closest thing left to an Arkestra that rock still has. What makes them great is the fact that they are "Bobby and Innes and whoever happens to wander through a studio while they're around."

I like the hippie jangle shite, it's the closest to wibbling twee that I will allow near my stereo. I love Screamadelica, it was a life-changing event for me, etc. etc. I won't listen to "Give Up" except to torture my neighbours with "Funky Jam" on endless repeat. Varnishing Point is an underrated classic, the album that slipped through the cracks. Everyone slagged off XTRMNTR for the same reasons that they slagged off Kid A - the whole "Bringing avant guard influences into the mainstream is hardly original" way of thinking. To which I reply with a shrug and a "so what?" Criticise it for "not being avante guarde" enough... fine, it's not supposed to be. I love it anyway.

Oh, and did I mention Bobby G is excessively good looking?

― masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmmmm... I wait with nervus anticipation to hear THAT. (Finegan by Primal Scream). I hope they don't Annie Lenox it or something. I would rather hear Brian Eno do it.

― Mike Hanle y, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Umm....i was going to say the same thing as masonic boom. classic zeitgest. the only thing to stay away from would be the second album 'cetp for I'm losing more than I'll ever have.

― doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Is XTRMNTR supposed to be avant-garde, though? Were people actually claiming that for the record? How odd.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Scream are the most rewarding band. They take you on a journey of byrdsdubfreakoutbasslinessoundeffectshousegaragerockrandbrollingstones ...

They bring in people cause it's what is best for the songs not the egos. Like Lou Reed and Velvet Underground getting Nico to sing songs, or Maureen Tucker...

Brillant brillant brillant band.

xtrmntr is complete punk rock. burns my head when i listen to it.

― doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I know I shouldn't, but I can't help myself. I absolutely despise primal scream, and all they stand for. They seem to me to epitomise the whole "never mind the music, check our references" ethos of the nineties, and their references are so predictable. The pantheon of "Mojo" & "Q" magazine-approved underground/cult classix. Yawn, y'know, and NOT ONCE have the scrm EVER taken one step beyond what their supposed heroes did. I despise them and what they've achieved so much, that I don't want to get too deeply into it, lest I offend or upset posters who I like. I mean, really, it's best that I don't go there. Suffice it to say that for me, the two good bits of music the scrm have EVER put out are the jim beattie's rickenbacker 12-string solo at the end of "gentle tuesday" and the bit from the beginning of "gimme gimme teenage head" IE BEFORE BBBY starts off on his horrible singing. Aaahh fuxit - I've owned "Screamadelica", and have actually enjoyed listening to it, but sitting here now, I can't actually remember a single bit of the music from it. "exterminator" just sounds to me like some lame-a$$ hybrid of hawkwind, sigue sigue sputnik and the sisters of mercy, except not as good as any of them, yea verily, not even the sputnik. In fact, all of the bands stylistic changes over the years seems to me like unto a broken straw, blowing this way and that in the wind. If BBBY GLSSP even once stopped worrying about how cool he looked, and how his references came across, then perhaps they might have lived up to some of the baffling hype that this band has had from the brit weeklies over the years. I mean, have they ever had a really bad review? I can't remember one.

Pah. The only message I get from the scream's total recorded output is this:

"We own a cooler record collection than you"

fuck them.

― bbby htr, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Aaawwwww... but... but...

Bobby G is so very very good looking, Norman!

― masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like a lot of the music, but Bobby Gillespie and the rest of the band are teeth-grindingly irritating with their ethos of living this mythical rock and roll lifestyle that they read about in some old article about the Rolling Stones. Most of the time it's really all about obtaining license to be an asshole and treat other people like garbage (hence Bobby G hitting people in the audience with microphones).

Still doesn't stop me from loving Screamadelica, though.

― Nicole, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Alright...

Those are valid points about the scream, norman, but still, the reference points actually work. Bob's a magpie, for sure. Everyone's a prostitute, etc..etc...

But he samples rock and roll of the 20th century. I think that is the ethnos that was brought out after screamadelica. You can say...Ummm....but it's just all done before. But it's dunno..very tired and moaning after drunken argument in club but 'a melting point/pot' *posh voice* of sampling.

When I was younger, Primal Scream was the first band that I had gotten into, loved, obsessed, na'er do wrong....

But the reference points, just broadened the musical knowledge and teh desire to hear more.

I mean, Soup Dragons, case in point, they do the same thing but they get it wrong.

― doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm going to generalize here, but with the exception of some Anglophiles, nobody in the States gets worked up over Primal Scream. I mean, they're ok and all, but come on. And Bobby isn't even good looking.

― Sean, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Kate: Bobby G is so very very good looking

Me: Uuuuurrrghhhh....shudder uuuunnggghhhh....

Cor, Kate.....

this< /a> is what I call good-looking. However, this certainly isn't.

What d'you think? :)

Doompatrol? Any opinions to offer? Is bbby a htty?

x0x0

― "Una Persson", Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Umm...

I've always thought that bobby looked really cool. Dodgy around give up but don't give out...but the jesus and mary chain bobby, yes, screamadelic bobby, stonestarchild....

I'm sorry Norman, can't budge. Must admit, I love primal scream, the only band that I will buy cd singles for...

ps. getting some peter hammill tonight. tell you what i think about a week from now...

― doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

gawd. K-l33t HTML skillz on display again. Try cutting & pasting this for yer lamer's idea of "good"

http://www.malcolm-mcdowell.com/Gallery/Wallpaper/wp10.jpg

And paul, it's not that it's been "done before". I don't actually care if it's been done before. It's that they, or more precisely BBBY, are always banging on in the musick press abt how they're a reflection of their ultra-cool influences, but they never get close

xoxo

― "Una Persson", Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sorry Norman, can't diss the scream. Without them I would have never started my life long obsession with the byrds/velvet underground/can/stones.........................

By the way, Spirit...didnt like.....arrgghh.....

the drum and bass covers of garage rock classics like 96 tears...how can you go wrong?

― doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You forgot to include a picture of Bobby for comparison. I am not the only person who thinks so. Don't MAKE me start posting links to the Primal Scream Fan Fiction archives again.

― masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think I have to agree with Norman, I do find their Rock'N'Roll cliche nonsense a bit embarassing, but I do like a few of their songs.

― DG, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Alright kate!!! I give up!!!

this is the link to BBBY I screwed up.

Paul - which spirit album did y'get???

xoxo

― Norman Fay, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No..no..

Not rock and roll nonsense. They were the first band to make me BELIEVE in rock and roll! Defined rock and roll for me and loads of other people.........

primalscream/stoneroses/happymondays

They made it sexy again!

― doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Awww, but Norman, he's still so lovely. I will hear no slander against my Bobby G's loveliness. La la la la la. ::sticks fingers in her ears:: Oh wait, you've cried uncle already. Mwah hah hah.

They made it sexy again!

Good lord, I'm agreeing with Doompatrol. Somebody call the doctor. Yes, they made it sexy again. But this is Bobby G we are talking about, he could make being a LIBRARIAN sexy again.

It's called BEAUTY!!!!! Either you have it or you don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the first one, i think, borrowed off of my hippie neighbour and his anorexic girlfriend.

i havent lived with it enough to give an honest opinion...will tell you later on.

(I'm talking about spirit)..

primal scream = rock and roll.

― doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the thing with bobby is that he is freak/geek god made cool. primal scream is music for outsiders...

it's the manifesto.........

so many highlights, that I can never put them in a group other than CLASSIC. The closest would have been Richard Ashcroft up to A Northern Soul. But the other two, would have to be, Super Furry Animals and Spiritualized as the two other bands that I can believe in...

― doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pah. Oddly, all the posturing and silly slogans you like so much DP have exactly the opposite effect on me. 'Music for outsiders'? Like who? Or is this just some silly Scream bid to wish into existence a long dead 'counterculture'? It's not 1969 any longer (thank goodness), and I think all that silly leather-trousered rock star bullshit should have been left there.

― DG, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ahhh...

But DG (the man who hated doompatrol)...it's not 1969 for the Scream. It's the present. It's the future. It's the past. It's everything.

One listen to the scream theme Screamadelica will make anyone dance.

It's not silly it's the scream spirit, man o man.

― doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm scared, you're starting to make Bobby sound like a superhero.

― masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, he does have his superhero theme...

Plus he could take Spidey. Look at his action with the mic stand (classic iggy by the way)...

― dmptrl@html.cm, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He is a superhero, he is Record Collection Man! See how he has that rare Stooges bootleg that you don't! Hear how he obtained that ultra- obscure MC5 live album recorded on a dictaphone in Bognor Regis! Laugh at his amusingly naive politics!

― DG, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He sounds like he may be related to The Reader. Tom n Al should get to work on this.

― Nicole, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

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From the C86 book by Nige Tassell

Interview with the original tambourine player from Primal Scream about their first deal.

Interesting given the inquest statement from Duffy’s son.

It appears like it was Primal Scream’s/Bobby Gillespie’s MO pic.twitter.com/9at1YSx7QN
— Nev Homer (@nevhomer) June 8, 2023

― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Thursday, 8 June 2023 14:30 (ten months ago) link

Bickle? xp

― stirmonster, Thursday, 8 June 2023 14:32 (ten months ago) link

there might be a multitude of disgusting old lechs with the surname Travis in the music biz

― calzino, Thursday, 8 June 2023 14:36 (ten months ago) link

https://www.stereogum.com/2226462/late-primal-scream-keyboardist-martin-duffys-son-accuses-the-band-of-financial-exploitation/news/

― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 8 June 2023 14:39 (ten months ago) link

@MichaelAHann Bobby Gillespie was responsible for the most life-threatening stage idiocy I’ve ever witnessed, at Shepherds Bush Empire back in June 2001. As told by Mine Watt in his tour diary https://t.co/ZRVO4jNE8o pic.twitter.com/kefdKQB0tv
— Stet (@Letitstandnow) June 8, 2023

― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Thursday, 8 June 2023 14:42 (ten months ago) link

this in the replies - fucking hell

And if this account is correct, unsurprisingly, he didn’t even get his target https://t.co/tBDvRKz0ps pic.twitter.com/9dMGZqmbSy
— Stet (@Letitstandnow) June 8, 2023

― rick semper moranis (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 8 June 2023 15:12 (ten months ago) link

Literally adding insult to injury: pic.twitter.com/F8KWLnupE9
— Kenny (@wingnutkj) June 8, 2023

― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Thursday, 8 June 2023 15:22 (ten months ago) link

Never trust Bobby Gillespie pic.twitter.com/U7DtnaK4MW
— Kunt and the Gang (@kuntandthegang) June 8, 2023

― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Thursday, 8 June 2023 15:47 (ten months ago) link

Weird, I would have thought junkies were good people.

― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 8 June 2023 15:50 (ten months ago) link

Weird, I would have thought junkies were good people.

yeah it’s definitely his drug use that makes him bad. Jesus Christ.

― brimstead, Thursday, 8 June 2023 15:58 (ten months ago) link

Seems like he and Innes got cuntier after getting sober?

― serving bundt (sic), Thursday, 8 June 2023 15:59 (ten months ago) link

sorry, I don’t want to get into it.

― brimstead, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:03 (ten months ago) link

His drug of choice is (or was) speed anyway

― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:04 (ten months ago) link

Imagine the upcoming crystal palace bowl gig offers excellent opportunities for lobbing bottles of piss at Boab.

― Piedie Gimbel, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:12 (ten months ago) link

(xp) So he claims. I bet it was coke though.

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:14 (ten months ago) link

amphetamines could explain his habit of uninhibitedly talking a lot of self-aggrandising shite for years. He was probably already like that but it would certainly make it much worse.

― calzino, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:14 (ten months ago) link

I remember an interview with Justine Frichmann, she was flatsharing with him around '97, she said he was too paranoid to ever answer the door, which sounds more like speed than coke.

― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:16 (ten months ago) link

Speed's more street and rock and roll than admitting you're a run of the mill coked up music biz arsehole

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:16 (ten months ago) link

poor tenement boys can't afford coke!

― calzino, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:18 (ten months ago) link

Thanks to Andy Weatherall he could!

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:18 (ten months ago) link

upcoming crystal palace bowl gig

Me and the kid have stuck our email addresses in the draw for free tickets for locals. Plan was always to go and get chips after the Mary Chain anyway, and this seals the deal.

― Michael Jones, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:26 (ten months ago) link

sorry, I don’t want to get into it.

(I was agreeing with you)

― serving bundt (sic), Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:27 (ten months ago) link

Classic Bobby Gillespie diss track

https://i.postimg.cc/YSVRs29k/Screenshot-20230608-174615.jpg

― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:47 (ten months ago) link

"he buys coke and tells the music journos that it's whizz"

― calzino, Thursday, 8 June 2023 17:05 (ten months ago) link

replies to their latest instagram post aren't pretty...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CtLi79_oIg0/?igshid=NzJjY2FjNWJiZg%3D%3D

― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Thursday, 8 June 2023 17:18 (ten months ago) link

Funny though.

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 June 2023 17:31 (ten months ago) link

_sorry, I don’t want to get into it._

(I was agreeing with you)

nah it’s good, I was just apologizing to the thread/brotherlovesdub for getting salty

― brimstead, Thursday, 8 June 2023 17:49 (ten months ago) link

I'm slightly curious to see how someone who seems incapable of self-criticism responds to this situation. It's bad for business and the public persona of himself he may think he has carefully cultivated for decades is publicly unravelling. It's interesting is this duality of someone retweeting novara media tweets that are attacking austerity and then seemingly not gaf about a band member who is having what proved to be a fatal mental health crisis whilst struggling on benefits.

― calzino, Thursday, 8 June 2023 18:36 (ten months ago) link

Not a correction worth arguing about but ime speed was way more available in the 80s than coke, which got mainstreamed in the early to mid 90s

― two grills one tap (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 8 June 2023 18:57 (ten months ago) link

replies to their latest instagram post aren't pretty...

screenshots, for those without zuck accounts?

― serving bundt (sic), Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:13 (ten months ago) link

This was in response to the announcement of a new archival compilation, just pages and pages of this sort of thing:

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Vermin
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mickyginge's profile picture
Bobby the champagne socialist, hope all that money makes you happy mate
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fantasydustbin's profile picture
Louie Duffy’s statement was a sickening read, it’s not the first story either, more people need to read this statement and realise what a hypercritical fake nasty piece of work you are Bobby

http://www.dafts.co.uk/louieduffystatement.pdf
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jay25264's profile picture
Are you intending to release a statement on the appalling way Martin Duffy was treated by you? Absolute Tory behaviour, zero respect for Gillespie and Innes now.
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I see that, similar to Ian Brown’s rants during lockdown, people are far too happy to continue to blindly worship than be critical of their heroes abhorrent behaviour.
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Socialist in the streets, Capitalist in the balance sheets 😑
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bridomcd's profile picture
Read Louie Duffy’s statement last night, pretty shocked tbh. Eagerly awaiting an acknowledgment/response from Gillespie & Innes.
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Who's the Tory in disguise?
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thegoodheartalwayswins's profile picture
I’ve just read Louie’s statement and it’s heartbreaking. Shame on you both.
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jesuis_me's profile picture
Genuinely thought these guys were decent, all an act in reality.

Suppose it’s Free to talk about rights and looking after others yet different actually doing it when it’s coming out of your own pocket…..

Way more than a session musician
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How do you sleep ??
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Just read Louie Duffy’s witness statement for his father. You cretins. You should be ashamed. Tory behaviour.
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Some sons are writing heart-wrenching accounts of how their loyal dad was in debt and in despair and kicked out at their lowest, some other sons are in fancy fashion mags thanks to mum & dad? But socialism eh Bobby?
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Can't believe what I've been reading about the way Duffy was treated by the rest of the band. My admiration for you has just vanished.....
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Oh yeah and the post of you having had your second COVID jab. Absolute fake and enemy of the masses despite all your safe, shallow posturing
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Bobby the rat
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Play shitty games win shitty prizes.
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― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:21 (ten months ago) link

Getting thrown out of Primal Scream for boozing is like being thrown out of The Wurzels for eating turnips !!
— Gino Tortellino (@A1010101010Z) June 8, 2023

― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:30 (ten months ago) link

Oh yeah and the post of you having had your second COVID jab. Absolute fake and enemy of the masses despite all your safe, shallow posturing

This one I'm trying to unpack a little more.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:32 (ten months ago) link

Ciarán Bourke was a founding member of The Dubliners who suffered an aneurysm in 1974. It left him with left side paralysis & unable to perform. The band continued to share earnings and pay him as a band member until his death in 1988.
— Phonic Underground (@fi_fry) June 8, 2023

there were bands that haven't been infected by the Thatcherism doctrine

― calzino, Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:33 (ten months ago) link

(xxp) Lemmy used to dine out on the fact that he got thrown out of Hawkwind for taking too many drugs.

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:37 (ten months ago) link

(If you want to talk about real speed freaks and not pretend ones)

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:37 (ten months ago) link

what about real tenement kids as well? like Jim Kerr, lol

― calzino, Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:40 (ten months ago) link

I read somewhere that founding Roxy bassist Graham Simpson received a salary from the band for the rest of his life (a mental health crisis led to him leaving after the first LP). I think there was a profile in the Wire? Anyway it struck me as very cool if true.

― meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:49 (ten months ago) link

He was the only bassist to be a full member of the band, and would have continued to earn royalties on that first record. Of course he and Ferry were the founding and only two members for awhile, keeping him on salary would have been a nice gesture (although I thought he was said to have disappeared for decades, which isn't conducive to picking up cheques).

― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:52 (ten months ago) link

re: travis...

Travis is a pseudonym. Which makes it even more interesting that she chose to mention Bobby Gillespie by name. pic.twitter.com/yX0xUHHFfL
— Frankosonic (@frankosonic) June 8, 2023

― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Thursday, 8 June 2023 20:31 (ten months ago) link

? thought it referred to the milquetoast popular band - Fran Healey, “Why Does it Always Rain on Me?” etc. Hence the “grin collectively”.

― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 8 June 2023 20:43 (ten months ago) link

odd that Miki says she never liked clubs much as she was a bit of a raver. i guess she means the kind of clubs BG attends.

― stirmonster, Thursday, 8 June 2023 21:12 (ten months ago) link

Could mean lots of things, I guess? "I went to clubs when my band was my main thing and it seemed the thing to do", "I used to get into clubs while I was recognised but in retrospect the queue jumping felt uncomfortable" etc, etc.

― djh, Thursday, 8 June 2023 21:53 (ten months ago) link

Louie isn't on Twitter but has been reading the messages of support & has asked me to post on his behalf. He sends a big thanks for the warm wishes and says it's been overwhelming. A difficult week for the #MartinDuffy family but ❤️ from us all pic.twitter.com/wdVY8jGaDI
— Steve Duffy (@SteveDuffy99) June 8, 2023

― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Thursday, 8 June 2023 22:04 (ten months ago) link

That's good to hear.

I confess to being slightly concerned about how all this will affect the continued presence of Boaby (as opposed to Bobby) Gillespie on ILX.

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 June 2023 22:18 (ten months ago) link

maybe he'll chime in on the "have you been cancelled" thread

― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 8 June 2023 22:22 (ten months ago) link

Ah!

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 June 2023 22:23 (ten months ago) link

A period of sober reflection and a commitment to do better next time? Followed by a speed-fuelled arson spree in Primrose Hill for the fans.

― just the sound of four guys smelting in a room (Matt #2), Thursday, 8 June 2023 22:57 (ten months ago) link

Well I guess I just found out that I knew Martin Duffy's brother when I lived in Cardiff, I had no idea who his brother was.

― nate woolls, Thursday, 8 June 2023 23:30 (ten months ago) link

seven months pass...

oh hell yes

Mo Saleh from Gaza presents the Aida Celtic shirt to the giant of journalism @azaizamotaz9. Motaz fearlessly and relentlessly brought the war on Gaza to millions of people around the world and inspired others to do similar. pic.twitter.com/6CpyJiB9e7
— Aida Celtic (@aida_celtic) January 28, 2024

― Murgatroid, Monday, 29 January 2024 01:13 (two months ago) link

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