― Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Never watched the original series much (wasn't alive at the time of
the originals, don't recall seeing the reruns), but became a fan of
the movies when they started. Fell into things fully when TNG began
(watched from the first episode to the last) and still followed those
films, though after starting with both Deep Space Nine and
Voyager I gave them up fully in late 1995 and never looked
back. Have a couple of the, ahem, 'technical manuals' around the
place but that's about it -- the other books I've avoided. Have no
costumes, have always avoided any kind of conventions general or
specific, take cruel pleasure in laughing at Shatner's follies in the
fifth movie, as should we all (the fake MST version is the only
one to see, frankly).
Unsurprisingly, Picard is my fave (I was actually a Patrick Stewart
fan already), but both Avery Brooks and Kate Mulgrew did excellent
jobs in their Sisko and Janeway roles. Scott Bakula as Archer just
scares me as a concept. TNG cast my favorite ensemble bunch, though I
will give it up (oh yes) for George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, DeForest
Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, Terri Farrell, Alexander Siddiq, Rene
Auberjonois, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran and Robert Picardo. Data
ist rad. And so forth.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
note: star trek: the motion picture looked
awful. but all the ones after that were
awesome. how much cooler would next
generation have been if they had those
burgundy uniforms? kirk looked like the
motherfucker in EVERY MOVIE wearing that
ned: you think picard is tougher than
picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of
khan? did you see that shit? he fucking
kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass.
'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you
don't have me. if you want me, you're going
to have to come down here. you're GOING to
HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'.
you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs.
picard, picard is smarter and more civil
and professional or whatever the fuck, but
nobody in their right fucking mind would
say that he's tougher than motherfucking
kirk. i am actually literally angry about
this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm
such a trekkie.
I thought it was Riker who had the twin. ;-)
that riker transporter twin episode is some
stupid shit though.
original series: chekov...maybe, but that's
stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies,
he's just sort of useless on the show. but the
original cast (chekov being a second series
addition) is flawless.
next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi,
that doctor who replaced crusher for one
year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a
super-advanced andriod and he can't
understand common phrases? he thinks a
'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm
sure the writers kissed each other for how
fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's
women were way smarter). and WESLEY.
geordie would get on my nerves if he were
played by anyone but le var burton, but he's
a childhood icon and can therefore do no
deep space nine: the only memorable
character besides the captain (who is cool)
is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but
the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to
annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick
with the ridges on her nose aggravates the
piss out of me. and the doctor, god.
voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy.
and a black vulcan. and the captain is a
woman. only as annoying as that new
ghostbusters cartoon where one of the
ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like,
what the hell?
evidence that kirk is the best captain: all
series after that have had kirk ripoffs that
are nowhere as good as kirk because they
are not as cool as the godly shatner. like
riker, or that really forgettable womanizer
guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell,
don't you just want to punch riker in the
face? does anyone not want to? anyone?
― Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks
up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the
ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew
members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager
couldn't identify with that?
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.
― John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are
chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")
In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right'
fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism
(though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary
and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff.
AND THATS IT SISTERS!)
It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped
watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with
over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that
tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that
was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even
sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th
Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a
But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating
Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much
sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.
And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.
And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!)
freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?
And why was it always so fucking BORING?
― D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER
BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme
whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.
On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.
And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ...
never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your
Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)
Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive!
Aigh, my eyes!
― JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
troi: not attractive.
troi's mom: uh.
that guy who was troi's mom's butler or
something and was the guy who played lurch
in the addams family movies: mrowr.
question: who liked first contact? it was
like a next generation episode, only like,
cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with
alfre woodard and the farmer guy from
someone start a star wars thread so i can
bitch about how much that sucks except for
empire strikes back.
― DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
hey i just remembered something else i
liked in next generation, although it's from
that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling
off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the
universe like two hundred times and he
falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um
anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.
― anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link
― Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for
some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him
on a Star Trek magazine!
― Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link
3 minutes flying about admiring the new Enterprise model is too much for even me.
I'm paraphrasing and I can't remember where I read this (maybe even in this thread), but someone said this scene makes more sense when you consider it had been 10 years since anyone had seen new footage of the Enterprise.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 21 June 2018 19:45 (one year ago) link
― Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 19:40 (one year ago) link
st:tmp endless effects scenes surely exist because no one had ever seen *anything* star trek other than on a tv set featuring mid-60's effects. so, you know, check out the new enterprise, new klingons in their new spaceships, the special effects we can afford, etc.
also shooting for some kind of 2001 heaviness
― chinavision!, Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:44 (one year ago) link
the sounds of TOS sound designer Douglas Grindstaff (RIP)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 15:20 (eleven months ago) link
Somehow I didn't notice that Michael Chabon is on the writing staff for the Picard mini.
― Captain Hardchord (Leee), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 19:53 (eight months ago) link
A quick note that the two new SHORT TREKS (ha) are both worth watching and very TNG-y.
In the first story, Tilly gets a Wesley Crusher C-story about a runaway alien child. It's still good!
The second was written by Chabon - it's a trifle, but it's probably the best Trek thing I've seen since "All Good Things". (I didn't watch DS9).
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:38 (eight months ago) link
All Good Things is my favorite TNG so that is some high praise. Is it only available on the CBS streaming service?
But do check out DS9, I actually prefer it to TNG, and it holds up way better.
― I Got Stopped By a Lady Cop on my Automobileee (Leee), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:06 (eight months ago) link
It's t0rr3ntable, for sure
It's not *quite* up there with All Good Things, but it's just very *right* without being a rehash of something I've seen in Trek before. It's more like an "Inner Light" in miniature.
I will definitely watch DS9 once I've made it through my TNG rewatch, but I've been on that for three years and I'm still on season 4...
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:14 (eight months ago) link
dooooo it Chuck
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:45 (eight months ago) link
Finally watched "Calypso," it is a gem!
― From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Sunday, 9 December 2018 01:27 (seven months ago) link
this is canon now.https://i.imgur.com/hihGJxr.png
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 14 December 2018 03:20 (seven months ago) link
In explaining her approach to politics as a black Democratic woman in a state controlled by white Republican men, she devotes several pages to a pivotal scene from “Peak Performance,” an episode from “Star Trek: The Next Generation.”
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2019 19:37 (four months ago) link
That is awesome! But:
She said “Deep Space Nine,” which was set on a space station, would go lower on her list of favorites because, as she said in a Reddit thread, “I love Captain Sisko, but the ‘trek’ in Star Trek is why I am drawn to the show.”
― Gaseous Clay (Leee), Thursday, 7 March 2019 20:55 (four months ago) link
haha i knew that would get flagged here
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:00 (four months ago) link
Such a facile dismissal of DS9 from a so-called Star Trek "fan."
― DJI, Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:15 (four months ago) link
We were hanging out drinking, and realized Jonathan Frakes, Riker from Star Trek, and Avery Brooks, who played Sisko, were sitting in a corner — basically Star Trek royalty. Riker went to the piano and sang show tunes for an hour and a half. When he was done, Sisko went up and started doing jazz, getting progressively drunker until they shut the bar down.
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 April 2019 20:34 (three months ago) link
that may be the least essential oral history every conceived
― Number None, Monday, 15 April 2019 15:42 (three months ago) link
― DJI, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:16 (two weeks ago) link
Fantastic news. "Calypso" was one of discovery's highlights and Chabon has written a lot of books I like.
The redlettermedia video on discovery s2 pointed out that the show has over 20 producers listed in the opening credits. That's crazy.
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 12:51 (two weeks ago) link
working my way through ds9 right now and just watched the episode where quark's bar forms a union...maybe the most class conscious episode of tv i've ever seen?
ds9 is really wonderful, the only character that i find a bit boring is dax but other than that i think everyone can carry their own episode and i'll be equally excited. i love tng but for the most part the picard stories are the strongest and he's defined more by his individual character than by his relationships with others. whereas ds9 character pairings and relationships are so great. i could watch bashir and o'brien hang out for hours.
― oiocha, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:53 (two weeks ago) link
I think Fosse/Verdon had about the same. Some properties have long tails, I guess.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:57 (two weeks ago) link
― koogs, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:22 (two weeks ago) link
The thing with Jadzia is that a) it was Terry Farrell's first real long-term acting gig and b) the writers hadn't really fleshed out Jadzia at that point.
I've been having some minor trepidation about the Picard series; for me, he's a paragon of virtue, something that humanity should strive for, and when he's characterized differently (e.g. Generations), the psychology feels off. And if the Picard series is going grimdark (which is pure speculation on my part), that would be awful.
― Garbo Pond (Leee), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:29 (two weeks ago) link
Dax was written in some conflicting ways in the early seasons. In one episode she'll be playful while being groped by Ferengis, the next episode she'll be scared by a big spider.
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 19:38 (two weeks ago) link
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:02 (one week ago) link
J-LP, his dog, and a vineyard? Hell yes. I truly hope there is zero space travel in this show.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:09 (one week ago) link
Turns out it's all about his 24th century cooking reality-holodeck show.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:11 (one week ago) link
hope the dog's name is number one
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:16 (one week ago) link
His name is NUMBER ONE. I KNEW IT. #picard pic.twitter.com/5OpHQI2j8f— Ani Bundel 🔜 #SDCC (@anibundel) July 10, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:58 (one week ago) link
Calling it: dog has internal monologues voiced by Jonathan Frakes.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:09 (one week ago) link
big reveal at the end of episode one: riker’s brain is in that dog
― A comical 'blobbumentary' programme (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:09 (one week ago) link
"Lead the away team."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:12 (one week ago) link
'Whatsamatter, boy? Does Number One need to number two?'
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:32 (one week ago) link
In all seriousness, I'll be thrilled beyond words if this show winds up being nothing more than a slow and meditative series about a geriatric ex-space captain puttering around in his vineyard.
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:34 (one week ago) link
This week: Jean-Luc takes a bushel of surplus grapes over to his neighbor's and they sit a spell. Also, Number One has an encounter with a mischievous mouse.
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:36 (one week ago) link
This is gonna be on amazon in the uk. Discovery was on netflix. Pricks.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:39 (one week ago) link
They just need to make every episode on par with The Inner Light and they’ll be fine
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:40 (one week ago) link
who are you mad at
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 19:06 (one week ago) link
I think there's ire enough to spread evenly among all of the streaming services who feel that customers should pay $10.99/mo. for the 1-2 non-garbage original series they offer.
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 19:18 (one week ago) link
As much as I want to see this show there is no way I’m subscribing to cbs all access
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 19:30 (one week ago) link
A friend reminded me of this forgotten (by me) episode and holy shit.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 19:31 (one week ago) link
that episode is astonishing on many levels
― A comical 'blobbumentary' programme (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 19:43 (one week ago) link
neither of those services have produced either of these series
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:04 (one week ago) link
I'd be lying if I said I didn't occasionally (frequently?) half-ass a post in eager anticipation of a patented sic correction.'Beverly's Gothic Travails' is a thoroughly wackadoo Trek installment.
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 21:26 (one week ago) link
The swimming lesson that wasn't. Our foster pibble Ginger is perfect afternoon company. @ASPCA @WagsandWalks #AdoptDontShop pic.twitter.com/yDWiXbCSXS— Patrick Stewart (@SirPatStew) March 9, 2017
― Garbo Pond (Leee), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 22:29 (one week ago) link
a patented sic correction
I asked a sincere question, shrug emoji
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 23:16 (one week ago) link
ok a sincere answer: I'm mad at cbs for switching from netflix which i subscribe to to amazon which i don't; less selfishly, as OL says i am mad at the fragmentation of streaming services, which completely destroys the whole point of them.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 11 July 2019 10:41 (six days ago) link
that is in no way the point of them! but it's not really important for this thread to lurch down that road
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 11 July 2019 10:45 (six days ago) link
Yeah in terms of 'point' it's like that thing where television programs basically exist to fill time between commercials.
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 July 2019 11:50 (six days ago) link