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What new brews have you been trying? I just had my first Sinebrychoff (Koff) Porter IV, a Finnish beer, and my first taste of Scandinavian darks. It's quite nice, remarkably smooth and drinkable for a dark with 7.2% alc content. Almost a dark chocolate flavour but not in a chocolate stout way and not with any lingering bitterness.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 01:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Last night I drank a Widmeyer Hefeweizen, which I found meh, and a Maresdous 8, which was very tasty in the tradition of tasty Belgian strong ales. A bit on the sweeter side of what I like but not over the line.

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh, I'll keep an eye out for that. I've been meaning to start exploring Belgian beers. I was putting it off till I'd tried every English stout but I should probably start sooner.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's almost summer! Time to put the stouts away!

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I had something called Sunset Wheat the other night which tasted like orange and was surprisingly good considering that fact.

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink


(I'm assuming you're talking about Leinenkugel's Sunset Wheat, which I declared a vendetta against because it is the single least-pleasant beer I have ever had)

bernard snowy, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

When I was in Belgium last week I totally was rocking all the kriek. But not the Hoegaarden (because that's utterly disgusting). I also had a Trappist (Chimay Bleu) which was pretty intense at 9% ABV

Stevie D, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

sundar iirc you are in OTT or MTL? where are you getting these amazing beers from in whichever of those two cities you're in?

if you are from neither of those places i apologize, i just remember you saying it once or something. i may be making it up.

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 14:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm from Ottawa (and lived in Mtl 2001-2002) but I've been living in Buffalo NY for almost 2 years now.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

When I was in Belgium last week I totally was rocking all the kriek. But not the Hoegaarden (because that's utterly disgusting). I also had a Trappist (Chimay Bleu) which was pretty intense at 9% ABV

Where exactly?

nathalie, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

BTW if near West Flanders: Should have tried the Brugse Zot!

nathalie, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

(I would imagine that at least Mtl should have good places for this? I couldn't help you though. I drank Colt 45 from the dep when I lived there. Ah, callow youth.)

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

To be fair, I haven't really looked past my local deps, but the few bars I've found that have bigger selections were pretty disappointing... one place that was recommended highly as a place with a bunch of beers had that greek beer whose name I forget as the rarest one. mythos?

i'll have to check ch0whound or something.

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 14:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Let me know if you find (or have had) Dieu du Ciel Aphrodisiaque. The folks rank it as the best sweet stout on earth but I haven't found any around here.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 18:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yes. mythos. it's not bad!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 28 May 2007 18:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think I am going to drop by Dieu du Ciel tonight, actually. Everything they have is actually to a pretty high standard... the reason you probably haven't found it is because they aren't actually bottling any of their brews yet. Apparently they're opening another brewery north of the city though, and they're going to start bottling there! I can't remember where I heard that. I read it today after doing a bit of ch0whound research. I will see if I can talk to the owners or something tonight (I'm going early so hopefully the place will be near empty, I'm not much of one for the crowd there). I've not had the aphrodisiaque, don't know if it's "in season" (they only brew most things a couple times a year), but if they have it I'll give you a review!

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 18:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Where exactly?

Brussels. and Paris, but that's obviously not in Belgium. May I also suggest that if you do go to France and decide to try the local brews, Kronenbourg tastes like piss. stay away.

Stevie D, Monday, 28 May 2007 20:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've developed a fondness for Zywiec lately - I don't even usually like lagers much but it's so smooth and tasty. Perfect warm weather beer.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 00:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it is. and that red-temperature indicator on the back is key!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 01:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

König Ludwig Weissbier is majorly tasty, if a bit pricey.

I recently tried this weird Belgian beer, "La Chouffe." Unpasteurized, 8% and quite good. (Although the floaty yeast cultures were somewhat of a turn-off)

Michael Servetus, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I've had La Chouffe - very nice. There are so many good belgian beers it's amazing.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I just remembered I have a beer question:

In Mexico I tried Bohemia (regular, not dark) and it was fantastic - at the moment I thought it was one of the best beers I'd ever tried.

Recently I tried some Bohemia in a U.S. Mexican place and it was meh. Is it possible I was getting a different "export" version, or that the transit did something to the beer?

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Man...I have had so much "skunky" imported beer, could that be it?

On a related note, what do you do when your beer is obviously off and you've already drank a couple? Can you take the rest back to the store.?


Michael Servetus, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Oh yeah, I went back to Dieu, but no Aphro... was available. I didn't get a chance to ask when/if it was coming back... next time! Maybe I'll go tonight, I would like to dig into my new book and my house smells like cat piss and I am not currently poor.

Will M., Tuesday, 12 June 2007 18:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh man! I didn't see that you guys were talking about Biere D'Achouffe. I thought it was a Quebecois beer for so long! True story. Apparently the first place they started exporting to was Quebec! It is very delicious. I don't remember finding any little floaters, though...

Will M., Friday, 15 June 2007 19:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Response from Dieu du Ciel to two questions I asked via e-mail:

Hello Will,

Thanks you for your comments. It is much appreciated.

1-) We brew the Aphrodisiaque only 2 or 3 times a year. The next batch
will probably be avaible something like next september.

2-) Yes, it's true, we are in the process of building up a bottling
plant in St-Jérôme. There will also be a pub there. We hope to be able
to sell our first bottles at the end of July.

[dude's name removed by me]

Will M., Friday, 15 June 2007 21:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

currently - harviestoun Butter and Twisted is amazinhg, but we've just come back from North East France (ie very near the Belgian border and lots of Flemish beer-making tradition) and have been loving L'angelus which is beer's swankiest bottle I fear, gold foil and everything. Also Maredsous, Amadeus (lemon flavoured, should be wrong but oh so right) and god's own beer - Orval.

Porkpie, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

erm that's bitter and twisted of course

Porkpie, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

When alcohol content is shown on U.S. beer, it is often labelled by weight. Since alcohol is lighter than water, this can leave the mistaken impression that U.S. beer has much less alcohol, on average, than Canadian beer. A 3.2% beer in the U.S. (by weight) would be equivalent to a 4% beer in Canada (by volume).

Wikipedia I LOVE YOU. Did anyone know this? It boggles the mind! WHY?!

Will M., Friday, 22 June 2007 18:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

let's have a sesh

hstencil, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink


dan m, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

my girl friend brought me a 6 pack of Hitachino Nest White Ale. Pretty good stuff. nice floral aromas ,perfect for a hot summer day. i think it's kind of pricey though

carne asada, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

link, sorry: Canadian Beer

Will M., Friday, 22 June 2007 18:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Apparently they have Aphrodisiaque in now. And I'm destitute poor and going away for the weekend! NOOOOO!

Will M., Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Recommend some beer. Not too heavy, not too wheaty, crisp and refreshing in the style of Tsing Tsao or similar.

Also recommend some beers like Paulaner or the white Kronenberg with the fruity taste whose name escapes me.

I am in the mood for trying different beers.

Ronan, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Dude, Zywiec

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(re: light, crisp, refreshing, not wheaty)

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I was at the nashville beer fest and the best thing there was a homebrewed bock that they ran out of by my second go-round. After a while though all you care about is that the beer is cold, because it's nearly august, and you're outdoors in nashville.

I think I might have talked my dad into getting a 30-gallon kit from Boot Lager. (ha ha, "boot lager")

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I also finally made myself a michelada with a little kosher salt on top of a can of tecate with a lime in it. not half bad, if you don't mind a bit of foamy foam foam.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Sundar, have you tried Flying Bison? I can't quite remember which bars serve it (I think the Ulrich's, but they have closed, I think). I miss it dearly.

molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I swore by Aviator Red (which you can get at Wegman's) for a while. I still think it's good but have gone off it a bit. Are there other good FB beers?

I wanted to make it to Dieu du Ciel when I visited Mtl earlier in the month but couldn't make it. Drank a lot of St-Ambroise (and some nice micro wheats) instead.

Sundar, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They have seasonal beers (which I can remember the name of), that friends would bring me in growlers. I never managed to locate the brewery, which apparently is on the West Side (on Niagara, maybe?). Anyway, I remember enjoying the summer and winter ales quite a bit.

Available in Wegmans!? Ahh! This was not so when I lived there! I love you, Wegmans!

molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Dude, Zywiec"

One of the benefits of my area of London filling up with large numbers of young eastern Europeans is the availablity in the cornershops of excellent Polish beers at ridiculously cheap prices.

Zywiec is one of the better ones, at about £1 a bottle. The dark lagers especailly are a revelation.

bham, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ronan WTF?? This is truly a new era for you!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Saku from Estonia is pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Saku or Saku Kuld, anyway. The dark variety has that soy saucey aftertaste I can't get with.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ronan WTF?? This is truly a new era for you!

is this a joke? heh...I don't get it if so. is it that unusual that I ask about trying new beers?

Ronan, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I had a Saku Porter that had a weird aftertaste, that was probably the same one.

Wheats: Last night I was drinking Sprecher Hefe Weiss, which was all right.
Non-Wheats: Last night I was also drinking New Holland Mad Hatter, which was goddamn awesome.

dan m, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I guess I am in the dark :/ I thought you were still teetotalling because of your stuffed-upedness-in-the-cabesa.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've had a coconut porter and while I didn't hate it I thought it'd be at least as good with no coconut.

nickn, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 22:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Put the lime in the coconut etc

calstars, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 22:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

speaking of coconut beers, Kona is trying to settle a class action but people will likely just get $10 each.

Yerac, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 22:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

?? for what?

I had Pfriem's passionfruit pale and god DAMN is that shit god, tastes basically like hoppy maracuya juice

Ambient Police (sleeve), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 22:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

could be "god" but I meant "good"

Ambient Police (sleeve), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 22:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

because most Kona beer isn't brewed in Hawaii but all the marketing implies it.

Yerac, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 22:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I've drank a lot of Kona beer and it never occurred to me that it was brewed in the mainland.

Yerac, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 22:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Kona kegs are brewed in Hawaii, bottles come from the mainland.

Yerac, reminder to hook you up with my buddy's aforementioned brewery. They're in Kaneohe.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 June 2019 02:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I had Half Acre’s Beachweed Coconut Pale Ale last weekend and loved it.

Also love Oskar Blues’s Death by Coconut, a porter.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 6 June 2019 02:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost Yes! I thought my favorite Kona had coconut in it but it looks like it doesn't. (Black Sand Porter)

Yerac, Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Death By Coconut is great. But coconut goes well with porters and stouts and other rich beers. IPAs ... dunno.

I recently had a weird one, Hop Butcher's creatively named "Various Different Things," which is billed/promised/threatened to be "Mosaic & Simcoe-hopped Milkshake Double India Pale Ale Brewed with Blackberry, Apricot, Graham Crackers & Vanilla." It pours purple, and you can actually taste a lot of the aforementioned. I don't generally like milkshake IPAs, but since a lot of NEIPAs have lactose in them anyway I'm getting used to it. The bigger surprise was all of that other shit, especially the graham crackers, which I don't always taste but I did this time.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Eazy - yeah that was the one I had too. The coconut was more subtle than I was expecting, which was probably a good thing
Never tried a milkshake ipa but might later today, should probably scratch that style off my list. Any other recommendations in that area?

calstars, Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Trouble at Ballast Point. Though I don't understand the dumping of BA beer. Price it at $10-12/6-pack and it will fly off the shelves.

nickn, Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

guessing they don't want to incur the packaging and distribution costs for beer that might not even get shelf space if they have no marketing and sales team to support it.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I got one of their BA stouts as an extra in a trade and it was not very good. Let me try to remember what it was...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost I think a large part would've been the tax on the barrels once removed.

Yerac, Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I still see BP in stores, and I'd surely spring for a sixer of it at a low-ish price, but I guess shelf space is a consideration (seems big retailers like Bevmo and Total Wine could make space). Also possible this batch is actually bad (those untapped reviews don't seem that negative - 4.4/5).

nickn, Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Strawberry / rhubarb sour hard to get perfect
Would prefer straight rhubarb always. Annoying that it’s always looped in with the more common flavor of strawberry

calstars, Monday, 17 June 2019 20:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Cantillon Nath (2012 Zwanze) is probably the best rhubarb beer I've had. Rhubarb by itself is a tough sell though.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 17 June 2019 20:30 (one week ago) Permalink

Ilx beer friends: I'm going to Basel, Switzerland. Are there any beers I should seek out during my visit?

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 21 June 2019 02:50 (five days ago) Permalink

man i only know like one swiss brewery (BFM) but for me, I'd be crushing all the killer "local" rieslings & gewurz... that's an amazing part of the wine world.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 21 June 2019 04:13 (five days ago) Permalink

Tired of going to the bathroom, may have to switch to the hard stuff

calstars, Saturday, 22 June 2019 20:35 (four days ago) Permalink

Xp that's what I figured, I'm not too much for sweet wine but I'll have to give it a try

I want to change my display name (dan m), Saturday, 22 June 2019 21:37 (four days ago) Permalink

otm about drinking a lot of swiss wine in switzerland. They don't export much because their demand outstrips the small/expensive supply. They have a pinot noir and gamay blend called Dole that is light and easy. And they have a bunch of international varieties they grow as well.

Yerac, Saturday, 22 June 2019 22:14 (four days ago) Permalink

A generally good rule about making sure a riesling is dry is to check the abv. Anything above 11ish% should be fermented to dryness.

Yerac, Saturday, 22 June 2019 22:19 (four days ago) Permalink

I love when Yerac posts here. I'm gonna ask her drink exotic lambic with me next time we hang out (if ever again... maybe in 808?)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 23 June 2019 04:52 (three days ago) Permalink

(I always thought French/Alsace riesling was dry & German riesling was sweet?)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 23 June 2019 04:53 (three days ago) Permalink

This is probably too much info: I think people's perception of that may be because Germany had a super popular brand called Blue Nun (sweet) that was a liebfraumilch that came out of Rheinhessen, ~how people assume zinfandel will be a blush sweet wine out of California when zinfandel is a black grape that gets super alcoholic and deep fruited. And Germany's wine law and labeling are pretty difficult to understand. Like they have a 'late harvest' category called spatlese that is based on grape must weight/potential alcohol but that doesn't mean they can't ferment it to total dryness. Alsace has a similiar late harvest categoory called vendages tardives but that doesn't mean it will be sweet either. And also the Mosel's riesling is usually off dry. It's just the style they like(d) (it was fashionable) especially since before climate change they had the difficulty ripening grapes so riesling retained super high acidity and you would leave some residual sugar to balance that out. But when it's done right, it's really really great. Like, I don't like Ste Michelle's (WA?) rieslings (they seem to be all off dry) but good riesling from the Mosel is super tight, laser focused. And if you have super high acidity you can age those wines forever, like a super tannic fruit concentrated one. Alsace's climate is very dry and gets a ton of daylight hours, grapes are on steep aspects. They typically have no problem ripening grapes.

Yerac, Sunday, 23 June 2019 15:16 (three days ago) Permalink

I'll be in 808 for two months soon!

I literally just wrote out 5 hours of essays to random questions about wine and no alcohol/low alcohol beer/spirits/wine last week. One of the 7 questions was to explain the wine production in Switzerland and their difficulties in exporting. This is the only reason that information is still fresh. I wrote two pages on Switzerland and their high labor costs, trade without being in the EU, blah blah.

Yerac, Sunday, 23 June 2019 15:29 (three days ago) Permalink

I was just reading about lots of this stuff in the book Godforsaken Grapes, which was pretty good. It's actually the second book about wine I've read in the last year or so, including Cork Dork - third book, if you include the excellent book about the scientist of alcohol, Proof - and I've got to admit that 1) I still know nothing about wine and 2) at this point I've learned just to skip white wine entirely.

Back to beer: my wife (who works with some beer companies) insists that 10% of Europe's beer sales (mostly western Europe) are non-alcoholic beers. Really?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:28 (three days ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's the only rapidly growing alcohol space right now. Non/low alcoholic beverages. People are drinking less, millennials and Gen Z super far less, not at all. Some beer companies are betting that their future sales are going to compose of 20% non-alcoholic beer or like ~7% compound annual growth rate.

Yerac, Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:33 (three days ago) Permalink

Hey, if they can make them taste good ...

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:36 (three days ago) Permalink

I mean it's good to give people options in social settings when they don't want to drink alcohol or they can't. I don't think people should expect it to taste the same way. Alcohol is part of what gives beverages a certain mouthfeel and a longer finish.

Yerac, Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:41 (three days ago) Permalink

What Yerac said: Reisling from the Mosel is one of the great white wines in the world, full stop.

I had a 2003 Reisling last night that was 7% and sweet, but still with a ton of acidity that washed the sweetness away each sip just when you think it will be too much. Like eating the most delicious white peach of your life.

Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:50 (three days ago) Permalink

xpost My wife noted that beer and wine pair really well with food, and it's hard to find a non-alcoholic alternative. That I get, I suppose. But when I read about "healthy lifestyle" trends and alternatives to alcoholic beverages, I realize that a lot of people simply drink a lot more than I do. As I told my wife the other day, if my alcohol consumption were such that it was affecting my life - hangovers, weight gain, missed work, whatever - then I'm drinking too much. Though I do concede we live in a society that pushes alcohol pretty hard, so I guess I also do sympathize.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 19:52 (three days ago) Permalink

And there are whole countries that don't drink because of religious reasons, pregnant women, people driving, people on meds, people who never drank that beer companies were missing out on. I like it when I go to a restaurant and they do a wine pairing menu but also have an alternative non-alcoholic pairing.

Riesings from Rheingau are generally always dry. But yeah Mosel is generally always off-dry to medium sweet. Or just drink german spatburgunder (pinot noir). I heart riesling so much. It's so versatile. I used to bring finger lakes Hermann Wiemer riesling (ice cold) to the beach.

Yerac, Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:00 (three days ago) Permalink

^^^ The way I wrote that makes it seems like there are whole countries full of people on meds or whole countries of pregnant women.

Yerac, Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:02 (three days ago) Permalink

My wife noted that beer and wine pair really well with food, and it's hard to find a non-alcoholic alternative.

Not to be snarky but I find water usually pairs well with food when I don’t feel like having something alcoholic.

o. nate, Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:03 (three days ago) Permalink

Water sommeliers exist, which I kind of don't have a strong opinion about.

Yerac, Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:08 (three days ago) Permalink

xpost That was my reaction! just drink water.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 21:08 (three days ago) Permalink

They just opened an alcohol free bar in Greenpoint (Getaway). There are others around the world. I am all for there being more non-alcohol/non-coffee/non laser tag social settings to meet up.

Yerac, Sunday, 23 June 2019 21:30 (three days ago) Permalink

They should open up a plain tag facility, for those who are trying to lay off the lasers.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 21:32 (three days ago) Permalink

Yeah I am hoping to get to Getaway soon

calstars, Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:43 (three days ago) Permalink

Hudson Valley just canned a Barrel Aged sparkling water:

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 24 June 2019 15:26 (two days ago) Permalink

that.... sounds good?

marcos, Monday, 24 June 2019 15:29 (two days ago) Permalink

i wouldn't want to pay a lot for it but i like interesting non-sugary sparkling beverages

marcos, Monday, 24 June 2019 15:30 (two days ago) Permalink

I would try this.

Yerac, Monday, 24 June 2019 16:48 (two days ago) Permalink

Switzerland update: for now, I'm drinking Feldschlösschen

I want to change my display name (dan m), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:06 (two days ago) Permalink

I had some of this (hop water) at a tasting station in WF and it was pretty good, but $7/6-pack just seems like too much to pay for flavored water.

nickn, Monday, 24 June 2019 18:17 (two days ago) Permalink

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