The Archers (Powell & Pressburger): S/D

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Can the Brits on this board tell me a bit about The Archers? Because gol'darn A Canterbury Tale is a rich and strange film.... And yet, I feel there's something in it, something profound, that I can sense but not fully appreciate as yet.... Something British perhaps.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"Pity..."

"Pity?"

"Pity when you get home and people ask you what you've seen in England and you say, 'I saw a movie in Salisbury... and I made a pilgrimage to Canterbury and saw another one.'"

"You've got me all wrong. I know that in Canterbury I have to look out for a cathedral."

"Do look out for it. It's just behind the movie theater, you can't miss it."

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

ARCHERS OF LOAF, FOOL!

sorry

mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, on first view of A Canterbury Tale I couldn't quite get past the little-of-consequence-happening aspect (I'm not British). There's probably something more to it. I'd like an explanation too in fact. Search A Matter of Life and Death anyway, and Colonel Blimp. I Know where i'm going is pretty uneventful too, but has a bit more engaging social intercourse.

, Saturday, 19 June 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I love P&P. Search The Red Shoes. In some moods at least I think this is the *Best Film Ever Made*.

I loved A Canterbury Tale but I've only seen it once & long ago so cannot be too helpful about it. I'm not sure that there is anything profound underlying its mysticism but it is quintessentially English and beautifully done. I need to see this film again, it's the only major Archers film I haven't seen several times and I suspect it'd be at least my second favourite.

A Matter of Life and Death, Peeping Tom (not Pressburger, from memorty) and Black Narcissus all excellent, but I've never managed to get much enthusiasm up for Colonel Blimp despite it probably being regarded as among their best (if not their best?).

frankiemachine, Saturday, 19 June 2004 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Does the version you saw start with pilgrims heading for Canterbury, or on top of a skyscraper, with a GI telling the story in flashback, amateurist? I've never seen the latter, American cut, but it sounds like it spoils things rather.

I admire it most for its beautiful, and somewhat eerie evocation of a centuries-old way of English life.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 19 June 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The BFI gives a fair summary of the film, I think.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 19 June 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The Life And Death Of Colonel Blimp is among my all-time favourite films, even ahead of A Matter Of Life And Death. Their films are full of stunning imagery that looks like nothing else ever (think heaven in A Matter Of, tolling the bell in Black Narcissus, lots in the red Shoes and so on), and really interesting things to say about people.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 19 June 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i saw the english version, on an english dvd (here! here!)

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 19 June 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I dare someone to find a firm one to destroy. Yes, there are films that are weaker than others, but I'll gladly watch any of them any day.

I saw Jack Cardiff a few weeks ago, and he told some great stories. And apparently Michael Powell loved almost every suggestion that he got from people. "Wonderful! Let's do it!" or something to that effect - he said exactly the same phrase every time.

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 19 June 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought jack cardiff died several years ago! hence the "red shoes" tribute at the oscars.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 19 June 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Not only is he not dead, but he's still active!

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002153/

Anyway, no, that wasn't a death tribute - that was the prelude to his Honorary Oscar. (Which, IIRC, is the only honorary one ever awarded to a technician.)

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 19 June 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I Know Where I'm Going and The Spy In Black have both been on tv here in the last couple of months. Great shots of wilds of Scotland in both (and the grumpy scotsman from Dad's Army turns up in the former). the latter has a great twist in it.

am hoping A Canterbury Tale gets a repeat shortly (the ch4 matinees seem to repeat on a yearly basis - things are turning up again now that i watched this time last year, The Spy In Black being one of them).

Red Shoes was on in the last month or so too but i think i was helping hopkins move house.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 21 June 2004 07:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Here I sit, shocked that Black Narcissus hasn't come up.

Lee G (Lee G), Monday, 21 June 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

It has twice already.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 21 June 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Ack.

Lee G (Lee G), Monday, 21 June 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
next week, bbc2 (UK) has:

monday 19th 13:15: the elusive pimpernel
tuesday 20th 13:00: a canterbury tale
thursday 22nd 13:20: ill met by moonlight

koogs (koogs), Friday, 16 July 2004 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
season at nft presently (billed 'michael powell', i think duuuuuuh). i'm seeing 'contraband' tonight.

N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

In addition to all the obvious ones, The Small Back Room is a nice tense b&w psychodrama/romance/thriller, and Tales of Hoffman is watchable tho not my cup of High Music tea. And that WW2 film where Olivier is a Canuck fur trapper -- the 49th Parallel?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 August 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

'small back room' is GRATE.

N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

'contraband' is GREATE.

Enrique, naked in an unfamiliar future where corporations run the world... (Enri, Sunday, 14 August 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Also see: 'I know where I'm going'.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 14 August 2005 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

What everybody said. But

Destroy: Powell's autobiography, rivaled only by Isaac Asimov's in length and tediousness.

The Pressburger bio that came out several years back was pretty good though. Maybe the guy who wrote it was his nephew or grandson?

And has anybody seen any of Powell's quota quickies? I have this strange memory of being in a hotel and a movie called something like Rynox came on the television and then it said "Directed by Michael Powell," but I had to go out so I didn't watch it. The beginning was nothing special.

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 14 August 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't think powell 'counts' any of his films pre-'edge of the world', but 'rynox' is his earliest surviving film. the pressburger book is indeed by his grandson, who i think is kevin macdonald, who i think directed 'touching the void'.

N_RQ, Monday, 15 August 2005 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link

guardian reported a new box set out this week. no details on amazon but i found this:

http://telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2005/08/13/bfdvds13.xml&menuId=564&sSheet=/arts/2005/08/13/ixfilmmain.html

The Powell & Pressburger Box Set:
Battle of the River Plate;
A Canterbury Tale;
49th Parallel;
I Know Where I'm Going;
Ill Met by Moonlight;
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp;
The Red Shoes;
A Matter of Life and Death;
They're a Weird Mob
Granada Ventures, DVD (9 discs), £17.99; only in HMV

18 quid is a good deal.
"only in HMV"?

koogs (koogs), Monday, 15 August 2005 07:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Yowser. That's a GREAT deal! Perhaps only HMV have it that cheaply and it's a grillion pounds elsewhere...

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Monday, 15 August 2005 07:42 (eighteen years ago) link

that is damn fine. alas i have most of those, and paid more than that for 'em separately. if you don't have them, DO SO.

N_RQ, Monday, 15 August 2005 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link

'grillion'.

I saw A Canterbury Tale last year, then went to Canterbury with the Vicar and Rener! It was a bit like, in the film.

I seem to have had half an eye on I Know Where I'm Going so many times.

A Matter Of Life and Death will always be the central picture for me.

the bellefox, Monday, 15 August 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

> Perhaps only HMV have it that cheaply and it's a grillion pounds elsewhere...

including the HMV website (where it's still 40 quid). i guess this is an instore deal or the website's old. (or the guardian and the times were both wrong)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm not mad about IKWIG. i think 'canterbury tale' might be best.

N_RQ, Monday, 15 August 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Reports Back from the Other Place (ie HMV Victoria) inform it's still £39.99, it's the first day out and they aren't aware of any cheaper editions coming out - so unless the bigger stores have it cheaper then I guess WE HAVE BEEN FED LIES.

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

just checked and the guardian says 17.99 also.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/film/story/0,,1547982,00.html
time to start a class action lawsuit. or just wait until ch4 shows them in the afternoon again (i think the weird mob is the only one i haven't seen listed in the last 18 months)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 15 August 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Black Narcissus is my favorite. When I was a nipper, I was confused and thought Black Narcissus and Black Orpheus were the same movie, never having seen but only having heard of them. The first time I saw BN I couldn't always tell which nun was which, and I'm not sure if this wasn't intentioanal.

I saw a (WWII?) lifeboat movie that was shot by Jack Cardiff once that was pretty interesting- google tells me it was called Western Approaches.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 15 August 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i didn't know JC shot that! 'westerna approaches' was directed by, i forget who, but the GPO-Crown documentary people -- ie archer foes.

N_RQ, Monday, 15 August 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

It wasn't Len Lye or the Brazilian guy, that's for sure.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 15 August 2005 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I've rewatched Colonel Blimp since I posted to this thread last and completely changed my opinion of it. Great, great film.

frankiemachine, Monday, 15 August 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

bensonsworld says that box is "off the schedule."

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Duh. I guess that would make sense since it's not HMV...

Is it only £17.99 if you pick it up "in store"? I'm not familiar with HMV as I'm not from the UK. But damn, I want this.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 15 August 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Was there some business in I Know Where I'm Going about talking on the radio and using "Roger" and "Over"? It's been so long since I've seen it.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 15 August 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i think you've confused it with 'airplane' -- easily done.

Enrique, naked in an unfamiliar future where corporations run the world... (Enri, Monday, 15 August 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe I confused it with A Matter Of Life And Death?

No, the radio subplot involves her fiancé. Checking up on this led me to discover that Petula Clark has a small role in the movie.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 15 August 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

> Is it only £17.99 if you pick it up "in store"?

not even then according to starry who popped out at lunchtime. appears both papers were incorrect.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 07:37 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
A Matter Of Life Or Death is on english TV (channel 4) friday afternoon (about 1).

koogs (koogs), Sunday, 18 September 2005 09:53 (eighteen years ago) link

It's on Turner Classic Movies over here next Saturday, I think.

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 18 September 2005 11:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I misspoke. It was just on, although there is probably another airing or two during the week. I watched the last half hour. Raymond Massey didn't annoy me nearly as much as the last time I saw it. I didn't realize the woman from Black Narcissus was in it. What did Kim Hunter ever do besides this and Planet Of The Apes? Black Narcissus is on in five minutes.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 19 September 2005 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Gong has become bullseye had become two Himalayan horns! See you in 1h 40min.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 19 September 2005 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"Sausages! They will eat sausages."

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Nope that was their only screening of A Matter Of Life and Death.

Next Sunday is The Red Shoes and the TCM premiere of- they said it couldn't be shown on television - Peeping Tom.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 07:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I've seen it on TV at least twice.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Really, Martin? I was kidding actually. Because the guy said it was "the TCM premiere."

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link

oh that is fantastic news!
though I suppose I wouldn't otherwise have ever seen Age of Consent if it hadn't been paired with AMOLAD on the DVD

you can't go wrong with any of the classic Archers. I might recommend a b&w one if you've just seen Red Shoes or Blimp, so Eric otm

rob, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link

Age of Consent!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link

Wild, huh? Here's Kehr on the set: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/movies/homevideo/06dvds.html

reading that made me want to rewatch the opening to AMOLAD immediately

rob, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link

I need to watch it again. Parts of it reminded me of the Lubitsch Heaven Can Wait, which was too aw-shucks for me.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link

if you mean AMOLAD, it does drag in the final act with the big trial (Heaven Can Wait is a bit slow too, especially for Lubitsch), but I love the set up and everything that happens on Earth. And Livesey's camera obscura is quintessential P&P visual bravura: http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/1075290/Matter-Of-Life-And-Death-A-Movie-Clip-Camera-Obscura.html. Also fun to see Marius Goring in such a different role from Red Shoes.

if you meant Age of Consent... I don't remember much of it

rob, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link

eleven months pass...

I watched Criterion's blu-ray of AMOLAD last night and it is absolutely stunning--the upgrade really brings home what a visual achievement it is. What I said in my previous post about the trial still stands, but the rest is pure joy.

I've only watched the first 20 minutes, but there's also an odd but compelling special feature, a 1986 episode of the South Bank Show, that functions as something of a miniature adaptation of A Life in Movies.

rob, Sunday, 6 January 2019 18:06 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

enjoyed Black Narcissus but didn't like The Red Shoes as much

Dan S, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:27 (four years ago) link

The Small Back Room was on tv over the weekend. I've not watched it yet and can't remember if I've seen it before.

koogs, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:52 (four years ago) link

If you saw it I think you would have remembered it.

Another Fule Clickin’ In Your POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 02:01 (four years ago) link

The Small Back Room is the next film of theirs I'm planning to watch

Dan S, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 02:05 (four years ago) link

yes, then read my archived review.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 02:42 (four years ago) link

NYers: The Small Back Room is showing at the Film Forum on August 26, part of Marty Scorsese & Jay Cocks' double feature festival (paired w/ the '26 silent The Magician)

Josefa, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link

half an hour into SBR and it's still not ringing any bells.

koogs, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link

saw The Red Shoes again. the hyper-stylization annoyed me at first, but I was more drawn in seeing it again. the climactic ballet sequence was beautiful

watched The Small Back Room today. I liked your review Morbs

Dan S, Sunday, 25 August 2019 00:05 (four years ago) link

Thanks. As I still own the Bluray, I may not make the NYC screening (tho I need to see that silent), but we'll see.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 August 2019 07:13 (four years ago) link

don't have anything to add to the discussion about A Canterbury Tale except to say that I just saw it now for the first time and enjoyed it

Dan S, Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link

liked hearing the Toccata and Fugue in the cathedral near the end

Dan S, Sunday, 1 September 2019 23:48 (four years ago) link

I rewatched A Matter of Life and Death and had no memory that the first person Niven meets after his bailout is a nude shepherd boy (cut for US release btw).

My favorite detail of that great first Niven-Kim Hunter scene is that he's cracking bad jokes while he's using his last moments to quote every poet he can think of. "Andy Marvell, what a marvel!"

My only caveats are that all that US vs UK stuff in the celestial trial is just weird now (apparently the film office asked them to make a film about Yank-Brit unity), and

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you can see Roger Livesey's death coming from his second scene.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 01:21 (four years ago) link

Bbc2 have been showing a few of these as matinees (and a bunch of other decent b&w films as well *)

Life and death today
River plate on Saturday
Blimp on Monday

(* Wooden horse, 633 squadron, triple cross, Odette, man who never was)

koogs, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 02:37 (four years ago) link

nude shepherd boy, hmm

haven't seen it yet

Dan S, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 02:42 (four years ago) link

The number of nude shepherd boys I was exposed to my fully clothed boy life astonishes me to this day.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 03:03 (four years ago) link

lol

Dan S, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 03:20 (four years ago) link

(apparently the film office asked them to make a film about Yank-Brit unity)


yep, this was still within the frame of wartime propaganda, and as you say they were specifically asked to make a film about that (hence obv the central relationship as well).

Fizzles, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 06:11 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

really liked Peeping Tom

Dan S, Friday, 4 October 2019 03:24 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

Talking Pictures TV
Thu 16 Apr 2020
02:20
The Wild Heart 1952. Drama.
Directed by Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger. Stars Jennifer Jones, David Farrar & Cyril Cusack. Hazel, a child of nature, turns to a book of spells and charms when she has problems.

(this, is turns out, is Gone To Earth, which is one i haven't seen)

koogs, Monday, 13 April 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link

A different cut of Gone to Earth iirc. It's been on Talking Pictures before so there's a good chance it'll be on at a more reasonable time in the future. Haven't watched it right thru either.

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link

Consequently, Selznick had the film re-edited and some extra scenes shot in Hollywood under director Rouben Mamoulian to make the version known as The Wild Heart (1952). Selznick's changes were mostly additions to the film: a prologue; scenes explaining things, often literally, by putting labels or inscriptions on them; and more close-ups of his wife, Jennifer Jones.

There's a bit more, but spoilers so I left it out.

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 15:37 (four years ago) link

the accents in that film are both charming and all over the place

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 13 April 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

watching The Battle Of The River Plate on bbc2. they are issuing commands on the boat using a bugle, different tunes for different commands.

koogs, Thursday, 23 December 2021 14:54 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Kathleen Byron's birthday today.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 21:41 (one year ago) link

Well, had a chance to see -- for the first time even -- the restored Red Shoes just now at the local Alamo as a one off. Hell of a thing.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 January 2023 22:59 (one year ago) link

:)

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link

Every time I watch it, it gets better

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:24 (one year ago) link

and for a while it was my least favorite P&P.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:40 (one year ago) link

That’d be 49th Parallel for me (a perfectly good movie)

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:48 (one year ago) link

Oh! Right. Olivier.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:53 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

Saw Thelma Schoonmaker talk Powell at the BFI yesterday - she showed a few clips, including one from an adaptation of Bartok's Bluebeard, upcoming on blu and BFI Player, which Powell did for a German company after Peeping Tom and which looks absolutely stunning, a real Mario Bava/Hammer horror colour palette and fascinating to see them reach for the same sumptousness of their big productions on a shoestring budget.

There's also a book out, an exhibition (Scorsese loaned the Red Shoes!) and of course they're showing tons of their movies, including a lot of early quota quickies.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 27 October 2023 10:25 (five months ago) link

RYNOX?

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 October 2023 11:33 (five months ago) link

What?

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 27 October 2023 12:20 (five months ago) link

RYNOX was the quota quickie you always seemed to hear about, believe it was thought lost until the nineties. I seem to recall it popping up on television once while I was in a hotel but I didn’t have the time or sense to watch it.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 October 2023 12:47 (five months ago) link

I think it's on the bfiplayer too, if that's available outside the UK?

Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 27 October 2023 13:07 (five months ago) link

I see a streaming channel called BFI Player Classics which has some kind of more limited selection.

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 October 2023 13:34 (five months ago) link

Dunno if a VPN will work with this? https://player.bfi.org.uk/subscription/film/watch-rynox-1932-online

Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 27 October 2023 13:41 (five months ago) link

thanks for that James, good read. also alerted me to the fact that a restored I Know Where I'm Going is on at the NFT today. fortunately it's sold out. i say fortunately, because i really i ought to be doing a load of work, and a 12:30 showing of one of my all time favourite films would not have been conducive.

Fizzles, Sunday, 12 November 2023 09:32 (five months ago) link

three months pass...

On the bonus features to Bluebeard's Castle there's a short piece about him making a prototype of Earthsea
https://www.murrayewing.co.uk/mewsings/2011/01/23/michael-powells-wizard-of-earthsea/

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 February 2024 21:08 (two months ago) link

Really hope Gone To Earth will get a bluray soon.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 February 2024 21:10 (two months ago) link

It had one on Kino Lorber that seemed to quickly go out of print!

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 12 February 2024 21:18 (two months ago) link

I guessing the BFI will do it eventually, but Bluebeard's Castle must have been a higher priority because it was so rarely seen

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 February 2024 21:34 (two months ago) link


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