Taking sides: Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus vs his Philosophical Investigations

I think this is the justification of the "dumbing down" allegations.

You seem to know your stuff so I'll run my probably flawed understanding of it by you. Descartes tried to prove the existence of the world by starting with the premise that at least he knew he existed, thereby basing all knowledge on subjective experience. The Private Language Argument refutes this, because without any outside reference or reference to other people's subjective experience, we can never know what we're referring to. Therefore, we can't build our knowledge of the world on our own subjective experience.

language is learned socially - meaning is learned via use/effect on others etc

Well, yers, Witters!

That said the idea of language as an agreed on set of ever shifting (slightly) rules moves the argument on what ideas and thoughts refer to out into the public domain. It is no longer a problem in my head alone, it is a problem for society. Which doesn't exist and vanishes in a poof.

Private = solo, solitaryt. Two is the basis on non-private. Apple is good tho.

ie descartes's proof required that god exists and is not dicking around ie his "pure subjectivity" is grounded in a faith-based "objectivity" - "pure subjectivity" can't get you started unless you assume accurate shareable information is already installed prior to any encounter and/or exchange of any kind with anyone else

(Possibly the first time ever that Britney Spears has been mentioned in a thread about Wittgenstein.)

Kafka, Shakespeare...

i feel like i understand the philosophical investigations much more than the tractatus. i can read each section and follow it from what i've read - whereas the tractatus i found very confusing. i'll have to go back and try again though, i haven't read the tractatus as a whole in about four years.

https://marginaliabooks.com/books/tractatus-logico-philosophicus/

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/04/06/a-nervous-splendor

Bad temper and extreme nervous tension were endemic in the family. One day, when Paul was practicing at one of the seven grand pianos in their winter home, the Palais Wittgenstein, he leaped up and shouted at his brother Ludwig in the room next door, “I cannot play when you are in the house, as I feel your skepticism seeping towards me from under the door!”

I like this idea of Wittgenstein as a great judge of what you should read

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTE6WcbtImQ