Up 4-1, bottom of the ninth, two out, man on second, Royals come back to win 5-4. The Kingdom of .500 recedes.
― clemenza, Saturday, 24 June 2017 03:37 (six years ago) link
Osuna picked a ripe time to have an existential crisis.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 25 June 2017 00:04 (six years ago) link
He's been doing so well. I'm really surprised by this.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 25 June 2017 00:51 (six years ago) link
I don't mean to make light of the situation, but could there be a worse match in sports than an anxiety-ridden closer? You've got to have ice water in your veins to do that job.
― clemenza, Sunday, 25 June 2017 03:14 (six years ago) link
He said he feels fine on the field though. I think he's struggling with everything else in his life.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 25 June 2017 07:01 (six years ago) link
Well, he did good today.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 25 June 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
Grilli DFA'd
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
vlad jr and bichette both invited to the futures game
after playing for brazil in the wbc, bichette will be on the us team in miami
― mookieproof, Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
Not that this year's Jays deserve such stature, but:
1978's famous "Boston Massacre," as the Yankees swept and caught the Red Sox in early September: 15-3, 13-2, 7-0, and 7-4, for a cumulative score of 42-9.
2017 version, still two innings to go: 7-4, 7-1, 15-1 = 29-6.
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
Smoak is the asg starting 1B!
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 July 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
nice
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 July 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link
Osuna got off to a terrible start this year--he gave up runs in four of his first six appearances--but in 30 games since his ERA's under 1.00, and for the season his K/BB ratio is up in Jansen/Kimbrel territory, 47-3.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 July 2017 13:17 (six years ago) link
ya, he's moved into 4th on the blue jays save streak record (with 21 or 22)
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 7 July 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
clem yr man is up and doing okay but needs to throw strikes
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=647332#/career/R/pitching/2017/ALL
― mookieproof, Sunday, 9 July 2017 06:01 (six years ago) link
Thanks. I had stopped checking on him at some point, so I'm glad he's healthy again.
Had another interesting guy on the same team: Romar Subban, P.K.'s cousin.
http://www.mississauga.com/sports-story/5249418-subban-making-a-name-in-basketball/
He was a great athlete, not a great baseball player, but he was an okay hitter and made a key catch in the final inning of the championship game. These guys are all finished high school now, so I'll post the team picture.
http://phildellio.tripod.com/huttonville.JPG
Darren's right in the center of the back row; Romar's two down from me on the left. The guy between Darren and Romar was pretty much as good as Darren back then and was actually the MVP of the tournament
― clemenza, Sunday, 9 July 2017 12:08 (six years ago) link
"Shred" - what a great baseball name.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 9 July 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
Darren "Kick-Ass Guitar Solo" Shred
also: i was at the game today. but on the bright side, i did land a bobblehead.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 9 July 2017 22:18 (six years ago) link
Baseball Reference has Stroman tied for the league-lead among pitchers in WAR, which at best seems overly generous, even in view of his mediocre team, and at worst ridiculous--both he and Vargas are ahead of Sale. He's 12th on Fangraphs.
― clemenza, Monday, 10 July 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
honestly didn't even realize how well his season was going until a few days ago. it doesn't *feel* like he's pitched as well as his WAR would suggest.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 July 2017 15:38 (six years ago) link
Just doesn't compute. They've got Stroman ahead of Sale, Kershaw, Kluber, everyone except Scherzer.
Stroman - 112.1 IP, 139 ERA+, 3.21 K/BB, 1.264 WHIP, 3.88 FIPSale - 127.2 IP, 168 ERA+, 8.09 K/BB, 0.901 WHIP, 2.09 FIPKershaw - 132.1 IP, 189 ERA+, 7.23 K/BB, 0.877 WHIP, 3.01 FIPKluber - 93.1 IP, 170 ERA+, 5.13 K/BB, 0.986 WHIP, 2.43 FIP
Baffling. Except for Kluber's injury-related low IP, there's not a single category where Stroman doesn't finish last. What is the basis for this? What else is there that I'm missing?
― clemenza, Monday, 10 July 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
it does seem like a bizarre result!
if i had to guess, maybe it comes down a combo of 1) bad TOR defense and 2) Stroman facing above-average opponents and/or in disadvantageous parks? the reason i say that is looking at the list of differences between the B-R and fangraphs WAR models, one of the key differences is that B-R takes the pitcher's team's defense while fangraphs does not. Toronto ranks near the bottom of team defense this year, while Sale's Red Sox are at the top with Kershaw's Dodgers not that far behind.
One of the other differences is that while both B-R and fangraphs use Park Factors in calculating WAR, B-R takes into account the "actual" parks that the pitcher performs in. so maybe Stroman has pitched in more difficult parks this year so far and B-R is adjusting for that?
i agree though, seeing stroman at the top of the league does seem weird and wrong. this is anecdotal and subjective, but seems like the fangraphs model will occasionally present a really strange outlier, but the B-R version does so with regularity.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 10 July 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
kinda seems inevitable that the WAR models will dramatically change in the near future, though, so that they can be based upon real batted-ball data (ie from STATCAST)
― Karl Malone, Monday, 10 July 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
two of his WAR came just from this pitch
ICYMI: Marcus Stroman's Slider might be the Pitching GIF of the year pic.twitter.com/z7JWYbflkg— Pitcher List (@ThePitcherList) July 10, 2017
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 July 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
I knew there'd be a park-adjustment (though not a parks adjustment...); should've thought of defense but didn't. Still, I would think that both would be tinkering around the edges--the categories above aren't even close, and together they take in pretty much everything else.
On the plus side, there's always Stroman's temperament.
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/09/stroman-takes-swing-at-umps-all-star-voting
― clemenza, Monday, 10 July 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
A couple of other things I try to pay attention to:
High-quality starts (7+ IP/2- runs): Stroman (6/18), Sale (8/18), Kershaw (14/19), Kluber (6/14)
Average game score: Stroman (55), Sale (67), Kershaw (67), Kluber (64)
― clemenza, Monday, 10 July 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link
it's not "tinkering around the edges" when ERA and WHIP are fundamentally flawed bcz they adjust for nothing.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 July 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
Another blowout. I remember 2015, when we spent a couple of months (correctly) banking on run differential to save the day.
An "Ask Bill" I sent in a few days ago that might interest Thermo and NoTime:
Bill: In the past couple of weeks, the Jays lost three games to the Astros and Red Sox by a combined score of 46-4. We know that run differential usually tends to even out over the course of a season, and I’m sure every player knows that too. I realize you’re not a psychologist, but any insight into how players think about such losses, if at all? Thirty years ago I would have thought it’d be, "A loss is a loss, no big deal." But do such blowouts ever give them pause nowadays about how good their team actually is? Maybe they just figure they’re now bound to win some blowouts at some point...Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 7/14/2017My guess would be that with ONE blowout loss, or one blowout loss a week, it rolls off the team's back; a loss is a loss, no reason to sweat this one. You lose several games like that, you're going to start to question the capability of the team you play for.
(By "run differential usually tends to even out over the course of a season," what I of course meant is that it tends to fall in line with W-L record.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 July 2017 01:09 (six years ago) link
I agree with Bill on this one.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 16 July 2017 05:11 (six years ago) link
Stroman is pretty good.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 00:37 (six years ago) link
Thanks, VHS!
― clemenza, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 01:46 (six years ago) link
this game is pissing me the fuck off.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 04:33 (six years ago) link
Have close to zero confidence Toronto pulls this one out.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 05:04 (six years ago) link
Jeff Blair was funny on the radio this morning, calling the bluff of callers who want to blow up the team. He went through the Astros and Cubs W-L records from 2011-13. "A rebuild is not a 78-84 season."
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 13:58 (six years ago) link
The Fan had Atkins on this morning. He called Osuna one of the best closers in baseball, Donaldson one of the best players in baseball, and Stroman "one of the best-performing pitchers in baseball." I'm probably reading too much into that, but it struck me as a distinction that suggests management is a little skeptical about Stroman (I've expressed my own skepticism more than once here) and they wouldn't hesitate on the right trade.
― clemenza, Thursday, 20 July 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
"the most tradable asset in baseball!" "best-performing" is indeed weird tho. maybe they feel Sanchez has more raw talent, but maybe Stroman seems to get more out of his stuff than old blistery is right now. i think it's born more out of not wanting to slight anyone else on the team than trying to talk up a trade piece. i do think the Jays will wind up sellers, but I expect guys like Happ or Estrada (if anyone will have him) to be on their way out.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 20 July 2017 15:19 (six years ago) link
My take is that "best performing" means "clutch" in that comment.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 21 July 2017 06:41 (six years ago) link
I'm no fan of either Kevin Barker or Joe Siddall, but I agree with something Barker said this morning, talking about the difference between Morales and Edwin: "Morales doesn't scare anyone." I know, I know--intangibles. Their HR, RBI, BA, and SLG are virtually identical this year. But Barker explained it in more tangible terms: that teams don't have to manipulate their bullpen with an Edwin AB looming. And another tangible manifestation: Edwin's 55-24 BB advantage, which translates to 60 points of OBP. Most of that is just better plate discipline throughout Edwin's career, but I'm sure the fear factor figures in a little.
― clemenza, Friday, 21 July 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
Overheard from Progressive field beer guy: "Man it's hot. And those Canadians love to drink. It's gonna be a good night." #Bluejays— Rob Longley (@longleysunsport) July 21, 2017
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 July 2017 21:38 (six years ago) link
Fredo: "How do you say 'This team is fucked' in Spanish?"Michael (smiling): "'This team is fucked.'"
― clemenza, Saturday, 22 July 2017 02:14 (six years ago) link
Running four games ahead of their Pythagorean--they've finally figured out how to win the close ones.
― clemenza, Monday, 24 July 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link
it doesn't feel that way.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 24 July 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
Let me rephrase.
Running four games ahead of their Pythagorean--they've finally figured out how to lose the blowouts.
― clemenza, Monday, 24 July 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
ah yes. on that i can agree, they've definitely mastered the blowout loss.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 24 July 2017 21:29 (six years ago) link
uh oh
AZL Reds placed RHP Darren Shred on the 60-day disabled list.
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
Thanks for the update. I don't know how much patience they're going to have with a 300-some pick who's injury-prone.
― clemenza, Thursday, 27 July 2017 00:30 (six years ago) link
Now that's a finish.
― clemenza, Thursday, 27 July 2017 02:01 (six years ago) link
yes. i think i woke up my neighbour's kid.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 27 July 2017 02:45 (six years ago) link
Missed this! Two walk-off grand slams in a week by the same guy--that has to be a first.
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 July 2017 21:13 (six years ago) link
that's 4 come from behind wins since wednesday?!
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 30 July 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link