JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

basically it's my memory of jazz crit vs. deej's (I don't keep my crit library at work). Wilmer, Crouch, and Kahn all love ALS, dunno if they would call it "his best" but I think they would disagree with deej that no case could be made for it. When people write entire books about an album - even setting marketing reasons aside - they're implicitly acknowledging its value and priveleging it over other albums. I don't think anyone's written any books about "Crescent", for ex, even if it is cited as the clear template for ALS.

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― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:47 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

because there is an audience for these records that there arent for other jazz canon LPs. a love supreme sold better than any other record he released

'smh @ vocal mantras' is making fun of the ~values of rock dudes~ not actually dissing 'a love supreme' which is fwiw an awesome record

like, of course crouch never wrote a piece called 'smh @ jazz mantras' -- his enemies are 'jazz that is too free' and 'jazz that doesnt swing,' not 'record collector rock dudes' (my enemies) per se

still laughing at "smh @ vocal mantras" but surely it would be better directed at om

lol

deej do "rock dudes" love Om?

'record collector rock dudes' (my enemies)

what are you doing here

tilting at windmills etc

What is wrong with 'record collector rock dudes'? :( isn't that what a lot of us are?
And is a 'record collector rap dude' as bad as a rock one? i.e. you hate all record collectors?

hey now dont slag Om!

not even! love that record! listen to it and think "oh my god it's full of stars," etc.!

What is wrong with 'record collector rock dudes'? :( isn't that what a lot of us are?
And is a 'record collector rap dude' as bad as a rock one? i.e. you hate all record collectors?

gonna go out on a limb here and say the real issue is deej hates himself and projects his rage onto others in order to distinguish himself from those like him

aww man no need to get personal in this thread

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn0XPDTFOEyEx2F2JSEoFC3DInuCNqJ6UhthOuGW-8ntSl5OeF

im enjoying the actual discussion though

urgh yeah sorry that was uncalled for

aaaaaanyway back to the records! I have never really liked Sketches of Spain fwiw.

hey i've got a psych degree and i say deej has a high degree of need to feel superior to others ok let's talk about how awesome sketches of spain is now
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38    Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes
http://991.com/newGallery/Ornette-Coleman-Free-Jazz-459655.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/7zE4RadAWa8lYSvAZkGtFw

ha, never been into that one. a buncha noise! well, not really, but it sounds pretty messy to me.

I voted for it!

I remember the first time I tried to listen to this album at work. lolz

it's good, it's a landmark, but I've got to be in the right mood for it and the intensity/non-stop aggro-ness

a fair placing then you would say?

hey i've got a psych degree and i say deej has a high degree of need to feel superior to others ok let's talk about how awesome sketches of spain is now
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― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:56 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lmao are u practicing on this thread

dont have a problem w/ ornette's placement, he never resonated as much w/ me personally

love sketches of spain, although im one of the few who actually likes porgy & bess the most of the gil collabs

never really liked 'miles ahead' that much tho

the first time I heard Ornette I was surprised that it didn't ALL sound like Free Jazz tbh. Ornette! and This is Our Music, for example, are not that way out at all, the material follows standard jazz structures and sure some of the playing is weird (lol plastic instruments) but it's not at all abrasive and wild, if anything it's very lyrical and melodic.

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I'd probably place Free Jazz lower than the other Ornette albums on here.

but from everything I had read about Ornette I was expecting non-stop fiery free wailing

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I had a similar experience. Much of his great albums don't sound particularly crazy or out, but I don't know exactly how they were perceived at the time.

ha yeah, that's what i expected too. i think ayler was what i expected after reading about ornette. but those early records, like you say, are so much more playful -- fun even!

37    Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes
http://image.lyricspond.com/image/c/artist-charles-mingus/album-pithecanthropus-erectus/cd-cover.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/4kZ55sjjRKgCphjOmSMR7o

^^^surprised how high that was, i was under the impression ppl thought that was a lesser record, i like the title track a whole bunch tho

listening to sketches now and really digging saeta

never understood why pithecanthropus erectus had that later shot of mingus pasted on it.
here's the original cover
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Pithecanthropus_Erectus.jpg

that cover is atrocious

weird! I've never seen that

pretty bad though. could've been a Monk cover!

love the album though, was the first mingus i ever bought.

yeah the other one is more common for whatever reason, but it's just wrong.

i don't like that original version at all

36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #1
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rgcl0ewXrrU/TXq1EFKvxbI/AAAAAAAABBU/KJnVzVB_JY4/s400/rollins.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/0yodD8uAkAT5UmrlF2xy97

^sweet drumming on that one

We can't make small comments anymore. They have to be essays on the sociopolitical implications of said sweet drumming.

most records you buy w/ max roach on them are going to be good in my experience. he's like a trademark of quality.

sweet drumming is righteous class war

that was my #1

most records you buy w/ max roach on them are going to be good in my experience. he's like a trademark of quality.

― tylerw, Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

smash the patriarchy with sweet drumming™

HAHA

35    Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes
http://image-7.verycd.com/3ae920d343bc5d1c1ef1368bc962b6cf24806(600x)/thumb.jpg
http://open.spotify.com/album/5Nu0qsOuJlFr9lQIp8kWBB

Still as astonishing as ever.

I'm not the only one who thought this might sneak in the top 10 right?

interesting cover there