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pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 16:28 (seven years ago)

I never realised it was just a misspelling of "lead" that had become a standard, I've only ever seen it "buried the lede" and I guess thought it was an archaic term that only stuck around in that phrase

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 16:28 (seven years ago)

Never seen it before today, on ILX... twice!

We can be herpes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 16:35 (seven years ago)

sked

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 16:41 (seven years ago)

reax

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 16:41 (seven years ago)

stix nix hick pix

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 17:06 (seven years ago)

"Lede". WTF?

i'm the one that used it, sorry! i've seen plenty of journos use it, informally. same with "graf".

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 17:12 (seven years ago)

No need (nede?) for apologies, it was also in a tweet someone posted. An American tweet.

We can be herpes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 17:14 (seven years ago)

as an astute observer of american journalism, i feel the need to Both Sides the shit out of this


So how did we come to spell it lede?

Although evidence dates the spelling to the 1970s, we didn't enter lede in our dictionaries until 2008. For much of that time, it was mostly kept under wraps as in-house newsroom jargon.

Once, Al Marlens, the assistant managing editor, told one of the cleaning men to walk up to me and ask to see my lede, “not lead,” a newsie slang for the first sentence of a story.
—Myron S. Waldman, Forgive Us Our Press Passes, 1991

Spelling the word as lede helped copyeditors, typesetters, and others in the business distinguish it from its homograph lead (pronounced \led\ ), which also happened to refer to the thin strip of metal separating lines of type (as in a Linotype machine). Since both uses were likely to come up frequently in a newspaper office, there was a benefit to spelling the two words distinctly.

William Safire, who knew a thing or two about newsrooms, wrote in his New York Times "On Language" column in 1990, "Wouldn't it be easier if the noun for the metal were spelled the way it sounded (led, to rhyme with dead) and the noun for the beginning of a newspaper story were spelled the way it is pronounced (lede, or leed, to rhyme with deed)?"

Others have been less than willing to embrace the new spelling. At The Awl, founder Choire Sicha tore out at those who use lede like it's an affectation:

You schmucks who use ridiculous journo-terms make me crazy! Finally, someone is willing to speak out against the use of “lede” in public. Because, ha ha, sucka, there’s no reason for it! (Plus, MOST OF YOU ARE JUST BLOGGERS.)
—Choire Sicha, The Awl, 19 Sept. 2011

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 17:15 (seven years ago)

Or twete? (xp)

We can be herpes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 17:15 (seven years ago)

whoops, forgot the link: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/bury-the-lede-versus-lead

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 17:15 (seven years ago)

four weeks pass...

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Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 13:26 (seven years ago)

sweet corn on the cob

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:07 (seven years ago)

public bathroom cubicles the size of a studio apartment

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:15 (seven years ago)

The Americans with Disabilities Act

devops mom (silby), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:23 (seven years ago)

disturbingly large gaps in cubicle doors

Number None, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:24 (seven years ago)

The Americans with Disabilities Act

nah, I mean things like a bar's toilet being one room with a toilet and a urinal and a sink, and for some reason a dresser, and also enough room for a bed, not an accessible cubicle or two within a series of cubicles, which is not an American thing

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:28 (seven years ago)

Have a Nice Day

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:10 (seven years ago)

No concept of the greater good. America’s slogan should be ‘Me and Mine’

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:17 (seven years ago)

Zero shame

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:17 (seven years ago)

Fire at will

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:18 (seven years ago)

We are number despite all evidence to the contrary.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:19 (seven years ago)

Popularity in school Is based solely off n parents income

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:20 (seven years ago)

No concept of the greater good.

This is a somewhat recent development and it certainly is not universal. The idea of public libraries originated in the USA. Public parks, public highways, public water works, public fire departments, public schools, public lands, and civil service all were flourishing ideas in the USA before about 1975.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:23 (seven years ago)

Backhanded insults

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:26 (seven years ago)

^ I think the French preempted the US on that one.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:29 (seven years ago)

Conference call with American colleague: "over here, in the States, we have a thing we call... The Sniff Test."

Cardigan B (King Boy Pato), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:14 (seven years ago)

Cujo-ing dogs? An American tourist was talking to me in the pub while I tried to do the crossword. He started talking about is dog, and said that he used to offer it something 'from the last president, I don't talk politics in public, but you know who I mean, and something from the new president. He's very friendly, but he doesn't like black people!'. I don't understand the mechanics of the cujo-isation, but I just ignored him from then on.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 20 July 2018 14:36 (seven years ago)

The sniff test is a rite of passage all men around the world take part in

F# A# (∞), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:20 (seven years ago)

https://www.presidentschoice.ca/content/dam/lclonline/images/products/PC%20Extra%20Meaty%20Dog%20Food%20-%20Beef%20Dinner%20Cuts%20in%20Gravy%20EN%202668772.jpeg.thumb.420.420.margin.png

President's Choice is actually a Canadian brand of dog food, I'd have told him.

mick signals, Friday, 20 July 2018 15:27 (seven years ago)

one month passes...

disturbingly large gaps in cubicle doors

― Number None, Thursday, 19 July 2018 07:24 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is so fucking weird, i do not understand this at all

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 8 September 2018 23:40 (seven years ago)

seriously why even hang a door there when the gap is so big you're basically guaranteed an audience

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 8 September 2018 23:40 (seven years ago)

Ranch might be the most american word there is.

Like so many concepts and objects associated with the western USA, the ranchero was borrowed from Mexico.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 9 September 2018 00:13 (seven years ago)

Do you mean doors or "doorways"?

Like, none of these would ever have had doors in the first place.

https://i.imgur.com/8C2eC7p.jpg

pplains, Sunday, 9 September 2018 00:36 (seven years ago)

lmao

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 9 September 2018 00:43 (seven years ago)

bathroom cubicles i think they mean

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 9 September 2018 00:49 (seven years ago)

*unveils list of american things* so we call those bathroom stalls

21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 9 September 2018 00:56 (seven years ago)

Get it right

Sicka “europeans”

Also i never even close the door if I’m inside a stall

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 9 September 2018 01:54 (seven years ago)

Foul

faculty w1fe (silby), Sunday, 9 September 2018 02:59 (seven years ago)

Number 1 not 2 grams

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 9 September 2018 03:04 (seven years ago)

what i love about ilx is that international threads always end up being about poop

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 9 September 2018 04:16 (seven years ago)

de subjectivism aka dutch oven

gordon cartyard (alomar lines), Sunday, 9 September 2018 05:03 (seven years ago)

If only there was a blanket big enough to cover all of ilx

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 9 September 2018 10:23 (seven years ago)

CLOSETS IN BEDROOMS

Lee626, Thursday, 13 September 2018 09:56 (seven years ago)

Is that not more of a....universal thing

Number None, Thursday, 13 September 2018 12:45 (seven years ago)

If there’s a world with bedrooms without closets i do not want to live in it

F# A# (∞), Thursday, 13 September 2018 13:16 (seven years ago)

is this like closets (built in rooms) vs wardrobes (free standing furniture)? otherwise this non-american is nonplussed.

Winner of the 2018 Great British Bae *cough* (ledge), Thursday, 13 September 2018 14:02 (seven years ago)

yes

Lee626, Thursday, 13 September 2018 15:04 (seven years ago)

I seem to recall being told that in the colonial era (talking mid-Atlantic USian here), homes were taxed by the number of doors. So 17th and 18th-century American bedrooms were vastly more likely to have a freestanding wardrobe than a closet.

Now I'm not so sure; maybe it was just far simpler to build rectangular rooms one against another. And the carpentry required for a separate closet was simply too much trouble in an era when people had far fewer clothes.

Even the closets in my 1940ish house are laughably small; a contemporary American person just tends to have a lot more clothes, some of which aren't worn very often. My wife and daughter both have their own; my son and I share his.

afaict it wasn't until the 1970s that walk-in closets became a thing in most homes. The even more lavish his/hers closets mostly date from the McMansion era of the 90s-oughts.

Never mind the bollards (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 13 September 2018 17:03 (seven years ago)

Office cubicles

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:12 (seven years ago)


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